V8 Upgrade Question

system · December 15, 2005, 1:00pm

Thanks for this list. I will check into.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

* Bruce,

You may wish to ask this to the Active Directory mailing list -
these
guys are top notch in the world (http://activedir.org
<http://activedir.org/> ). Join up and search their archives
and ask as
I am sure they have done this and have real world experience.
From what
I have seen, some even virtualized Exchange, but large
bridgehead
servers are not done (at least not yet).

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

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From: Bruce Butler [mailto:bbutler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

I was also considering running a domain controller in a virtual
server.
Has anybody tried this?

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

These numbers of fairly consistent with GSX since it relies upon
a host
OS
and doesn't support SMP. If you were to evaluate ESX with SMP
extensions
the performance would be within about 10% of native. That being
said,
both
Intel and AMD are building virtualization support into their
next
generation
CPU's which should all but eliminate any performance difference
between
solutions like ESX and native. In the meantime, you're right
that it's
great for test environments, especially being able to do instant
provisioning and patch roll-back.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
Of
Bob Booth
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we
did, we
saw a
significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2
duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server -
MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3
minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1
minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the
performance (I
was
not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows
servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I
believe
there
were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using
ESX or
GSX.
I would ask their recommendations or others here who may have
that
knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on
your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than
a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical
box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions
running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...>
wrote:

>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't

ready
used it

> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same

server, but

> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max).

Once we
felt

> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data

was

> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance

seen
with or

> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs -

not
top of

> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much

slower, but

> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in

the

> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you

using

> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and

implementation
of

> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to

test and

> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our

existing

> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this

should not
be

> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>

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system · December 12, 2005, 11:05am

A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
process of taking the leap to 8.0.

Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
8.0?

I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
server and using that instead.

Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
done or is it just no big deal?

Thanks for any comments.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

system · December 12, 2005, 11:17am

We are testing on a new sever

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...

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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question

A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
process of taking the leap to 8.0.

Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
8.0?

I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
server and using that instead.

Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
done or is it just no big deal?

Thanks for any comments.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

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system · December 12, 2005, 11:19am

We purchased a new server to test. I would think putting this on my
V6.1 production server could be a performance drain.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question

A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
process of taking the leap to 8.0.

Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using your
Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of 8.0?

I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
server and using that instead.

Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
done or is it just no big deal?

Thanks for any comments.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

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system · December 12, 2005, 11:22am

Electroimpact is using a new server as well. We intend to use the 6.x server
for test databases, leaving the v8 server strictly for Live.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Zeigafuse" <fzeigafuse@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question

> We are testing on a new sever
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
> Innovative Office Products
> General Manager
> Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
> Email: fzeigafuse@...
>
> Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a
time.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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system · December 12, 2005, 11:24am

I have a test box I am using. We recently purchased a new server for
Vantage that 6.1 is running on now, but was bought with 8.0 in mind.
Once we get all our reports moved over and tested, I will install 8 on
our Vantage server... then once we are completely moved, then just
remove 6.1. But for the time... 8 is running on a test box.

*Chad** Brown*

*GTech Precision Ind. (USA) Ltd.***

*Office: 817.539.8014***

*Fax: 817.539.8018***

*www.gtechprecision.com*

Brian Stenglein wrote:

> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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system · December 12, 2005, 11:34am

Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready used it
for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same server, but
we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we felt
comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
transferred), we uninstalled it.

Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen with or
without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not top of
the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much slower, but
it is also more client intensive.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question

A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
process of taking the leap to 8.0.

Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
8.0?

I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
server and using that instead.

Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
done or is it just no big deal?

Thanks for any comments.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · December 12, 2005, 11:36am

Not there yet, but plan is:
1. Small server dedicated to testing and report development without impacting old Xeon 550Mhz Vantage 6.1 server
2. New high end highly-redundant production server - maybe with external storage solution (iSCSI most likely - FibreChannel if I can afford it then).

So for us...two new servers. There is no way our current 5 yr old server could be upgraded and I don't want to spend for the new production server until we are ready to go live since I am assuming a fair bit of time in development. I don't want to go live on year old technology when I cant get more horsepower per dollar at "go live" time. Interim development/testing server would eventually replace our old print server so would defray that cost.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question

A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
process of taking the leap to 8.0.

Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation of
8.0?

I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our existing
server and using that instead.

Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not be
done or is it just no big deal?

Thanks for any comments.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

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system · December 12, 2005, 11:56am

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running
on the same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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system · December 12, 2005, 12:16pm

we have 6.1 and 8 on our test box... You need to change the port # for
either your 6 or 8 Progress Server in the Explorer. The only other
issue I have seen is if you have both admin services set to automatic,
anytime I restart I cant open my v8 Progress server, with out stopping
and starting the service again. I set the service for 9.1D to manual,
and have had no problems since.

*Chad** Brown*

*GTech Precision Ind. (USA) Ltd.***

*Office: 817.539.8014***

*Fax: 817.539.8018***

*www.gtechprecision.com*

Brian Stenglein wrote:

> So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running
> on the same server at the same time?
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
> used it
> > for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
> server, but
> > we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
> felt
> > comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> > transferred), we uninstalled it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
> with or
> > without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
> top of
> > the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
> slower, but
> > it is also more client intensive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven Comeau
> >
> > Manager, Corporate IT Systems
> >
> > Main Tape
> >
> > 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
> >
> > Cranbury, NJ 08512
> >
> > 800-718-8273 x332
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
> >
> >
> >
> > A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> > process of taking the leap to 8.0.
> >
> > Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> > your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
> of
> > 8.0?
> >
> > I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> > implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
> existing
> > server and using that instead.
> >
> > Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
> be
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system · December 12, 2005, 12:38pm

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare, Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing, modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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system · December 12, 2005, 12:45pm

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe
there were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using
ESX or GSX. I would ask their recommendations or others here who may
have that knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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system · December 13, 2005, 3:53pm

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we did, we
saw a significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2 duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server - MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3 minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1 minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the performance (I
was not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe
there were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using
ESX or GSX. I would ask their recommendations or others here who may
have that knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> _____
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system · December 13, 2005, 4:24pm

These numbers of fairly consistent with GSX since it relies upon a host OS
and doesn't support SMP. If you were to evaluate ESX with SMP extensions
the performance would be within about 10% of native. That being said, both
Intel and AMD are building virtualization support into their next generation
CPU's which should all but eliminate any performance difference between
solutions like ESX and native. In the meantime, you're right that it's
great for test environments, especially being able to do instant
provisioning and patch roll-back.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bob Booth
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we did, we saw a
significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2 duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server - MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3 minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1 minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the performance (I was
not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe there
were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using ESX or GSX.
I would ask their recommendations or others here who may have that
knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>

system · December 14, 2005, 9:22am

I was also considering running a domain controller in a virtual server.
Has anybody tried this?

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

These numbers of fairly consistent with GSX since it relies upon a host
OS
and doesn't support SMP. If you were to evaluate ESX with SMP
extensions
the performance would be within about 10% of native. That being said,
both
Intel and AMD are building virtualization support into their next
generation
CPU's which should all but eliminate any performance difference between
solutions like ESX and native. In the meantime, you're right that it's
great for test environments, especially being able to do instant
provisioning and patch roll-back.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Bob Booth
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we did, we
saw a
significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2 duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server - MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3 minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1 minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the performance (I
was
not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe
there
were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using ESX or
GSX.
I would ask their recommendations or others here who may have that
knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · December 14, 2005, 9:22am

Michael,

Why wouldn't you just run 8.0 permanently from the Virtual Server? I
haven't done it, but that was the route I was planning to go. My
thinking is it would be a way to thwart disaster in case of a hardware
failure. You could simply restore the virtual server to another box.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · December 14, 2005, 9:34am

Yes. That's what we do and they run great

Bob Booth

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Butler [mailto:bbutler@...]
Sent: Wed Dec 14 09:23:00 2005
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

I was also considering running a domain controller in a virtual server.
Has anybody tried this?

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

These numbers of fairly consistent with GSX since it relies upon a host
OS
and doesn't support SMP. If you were to evaluate ESX with SMP
extensions
the performance would be within about 10% of native. That being said,
both
Intel and AMD are building virtualization support into their next
generation
CPU's which should all but eliminate any performance difference between
solutions like ESX and native. In the meantime, you're right that it's
great for test environments, especially being able to do instant
provisioning and patch roll-back.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Bob Booth
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we did, we
saw a
significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2 duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server - MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3 minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1 minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the performance (I
was
not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe
there
were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using ESX or
GSX.
I would ask their recommendations or others here who may have that
knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>

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system · December 14, 2005, 9:35am

I have thought about this and agree with you Michael. However, I am not
sure of the performance hit and whether licensing would be an issue in
cost (would it be cheaper just to have a cheap spare box for emergency
versus licenses for virtualization). I saw GSX being used at
Perspectives, and it was slow and buggy (or maybe that was just the V8
software). I would like to see some real world numbers on all the
Virtualization scenarios (GSX, ESX, Microsoft, etc.)

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Bruce Butler [mailto:bbutler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Michael,

Why wouldn't you just run 8.0 permanently from the Virtual Server? I
haven't done it, but that was the route I was planning to go. My
thinking is it would be a way to thwart disaster in case of a hardware
failure. You could simply restore the virtual server to another box.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
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system · December 14, 2005, 9:38am

> Why wouldn't you just run 8.0 permanently from the Virtual Server?

Wouldn't running it on virtual server take up more overhead than running on
a dedicated box with the necessary redundancies to prevent disaster in case
of hardware failure?

Brian

system · December 14, 2005, 9:39am

Bruce,

You may wish to ask this to the Active Directory mailing list - these
guys are top notch in the world (http://activedir.org
<http://activedir.org/> ). Join up and search their archives and ask as
I am sure they have done this and have real world experience. From what
I have seen, some even virtualized Exchange, but large bridgehead
servers are not done (at least not yet).

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

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From: Bruce Butler [mailto:bbutler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

I was also considering running a domain controller in a virtual server.
Has anybody tried this?

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

These numbers of fairly consistent with GSX since it relies upon a host
OS
and doesn't support SMP. If you were to evaluate ESX with SMP
extensions
the performance would be within about 10% of native. That being said,
both
Intel and AMD are building virtualization support into their next
generation
CPU's which should all but eliminate any performance difference between
solutions like ESX and native. In the meantime, you're right that it's
great for test environments, especially being able to do instant
provisioning and patch roll-back.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Bob Booth
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

We tried to put progress database on a virtual server, but we did, we
saw a
significant performance decrease.

We did some testing on a brand new server - proliant dl385 -2 duel
core opteron 9 gig of ram - shelf of 14 15k disk drives

We installed VM on the box - and progress as a virtual server - MRP
took 8 minutes to run

We install progress db directly on the box - Mrp took 3 minutes to
run - and if I ran it directly on the server as a client 1 minute.

VMware makes sense only if you are willing to give up the performance (I
was
not) . We are using VMware for all of our other windows servers.

It would be great for test environments!

Bob Booth

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Actually,

At Perspectives, I did see Epicor using VMWare with V8, but I believe
there
were some performance issues. I am not sure if they were using ESX or
GSX.
I would ask their recommendations or others here who may have that
knowledge.

Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

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From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

Another option that has yet to be mentioned is to install V8 on your
production V6 system within a Virtual Server from either VMWare,
Microsoft,
Topspin or Free VPS. Virtuals are far more cost effective than a
hardware
solution and once you have completed your migration, testing,
modifications,
etc., all you have to do is transfer the data to the physical box and
your
conversion is done.

Michael

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8 Upgrade Question

So you didn't experience any conflicts having both versions running on
the
same server at the same time?

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Comeau, Steven" <scomeau@m...> wrote:
>
> Actually, we purchased a server for V8, but when 8 wasn't ready
used it
> for V6 until it was ready. We used both 6 and 8 on the same
server, but
> we were a smaller shop using both 6 and 8 (20 users max). Once we
felt
> comfortable that 6 was no longer needed (100% sure all data was
> transferred), we uninstalled it.
>
>
>
> Our server is a dual 2.8GHz (Hyperthreaded - no performance seen
with or
> without), 3 Gig RAM, 100G - RAID 10 for data, Dual Gig NICs - not
top of
> the line, but up there. V6 went like lightening, V8 is much
slower, but
> it is also more client intensive.
>
>
>
> Steven Comeau
>
> Manager, Corporate IT Systems
>
> Main Tape
>
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
>
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
>
> 800-718-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Brian Stenglein [mailto:bstenglein@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] V8 Upgrade Question
>
>
>
> A Question for those of you who have taken the leap or are in the
> process of taking the leap to 8.0.
>
> Are you Testing/Implementing on a brand new server or are you using
> your Vanatage 6.X Production Server for testing and implementation
of
> 8.0?
>
> I had been assuming that we would purchase a new Server to test and
> implement 8.0, but my boss is now considering upgrading our
existing
> server and using that instead.
>
> Has anyone else gone this route? Are there reasons this should not
be
> done or is it just no big deal?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>

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