Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs

We are using Cisco Aeronet 1240AG Access Points. These are powered via simple POE switches that are now part of my normal 3com stack, they come with a 120VtoDC brick if you have power handy along your ceiling. If you don't have a switch within the usual 1500' of the AP you can configure them to extend networking to each other using their 2nd built in radio to form their own quasi mesh network. (you would need 120VAC at each AP for this)

No need for any special server or dedicated special purpose switch to handle these, if you configure them with the same SSID and Security they hand off the clients automagically with no need for special help from a management device. (I confirmed this from Cisco once I got connected to a good application engineer in the right department)

We have a lot of EMF (Electro Magnetic Interference) and also many different walls and obstructions. I placed each AP roughly 200' apart assuming a range of 100' (200' Diameter). I replaced the factory antenna's with the high gain antenna's that look like PVC pipes with 3' cables. I did make 1' square metal plates to mount the antenna's to provide a good ground plane for better directed RF propogation. The only channel that seems to be succeptible to EMI in my environment is Channel 11, so I don't use that channel.

After completing the install I have done a site survey and have excellent signal pretty much everywhere. I could have spread them out further but I placed them partly based on sections of the building to cover, not just distance.

If you have an open plant area and use the high gain antenna's I would expect a range of 200' easily before the nearest overlap.

As for running the Vantage client I set up a Terminal Server and am using thin clients to RDP for each connection. This eliminates the chances of Vantage dropping due to temporary network interruptions because any hickup on the RDP/RF side will be invisible to Vantage.

The users chose to use DT Research DT360 Touchscreen Tablets because they have a larger screen than the Symbol 9090 gun and are much cheaper, this allows them to use their familiar MES screen rather than the much smaller HH screen. Both use RDP to connect to the Terminal Server and the DT360 has an optional barcode scanner built in plus it also has a forktruck/vehicle mount which are relatively cheap.

I don't think you need to spend a TON of money to go wireless, but each situation can dictate different solutions.

Hope this helps !
Neil

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "rob.bucek" <rob.bucek@...> wrote:
>
> we are doing this using a combination of MC9090's and dell laptops all on the same network infastructure. You cant skimp on your network coverage or youll just tear your hair out from dropped connections and slow response. Make sure you have good overlap. We used motorala AP300's and WS2000's and these work pretty good. Rarely any problems with handoffs if you have proper overlap with your signal.
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.




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I'd think about using a Terminal Server Session instead of a direct
connection via vantage from the laptop through the wireless to the server.
This would also might slightly reduce some of the required hardware for the
laptops.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs


>I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little
>interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged
>laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and
>solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with
>AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for
>plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a
>little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big
>concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP
>to AP and the handoff of the connection.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Our 200,000 sqft shop floor has 4 cisco access points each with dual
9dbi antennas that point down from the beams of the ceiling. Our
forklifts are mounted with rugged laptops and bar code scanners. We did
this as well for use of AMM to move and track material. Along with the
added benefit of an entire wireless plant. The cisco aps have MANY
options and are top of the line devices, which when purchased with two
dbi antennas I think totaled 2000 a piece but they are worth it. The
transition from one wireless ap to another works seamlessly and we don't
experience any drops in connectivity. Vantage works well and we don't
have any problems. Feel free to contact me offline if you would like
specifics are hard ware, ap location, cost, etc... and I can provide you
with a complete list.



From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs



I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little
interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged
laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and
solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with
AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for
plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are
a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big
concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from
AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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I used to install Symbol AP's and they have a nice management switch that provided a "cloud" and performs the handoffs from AP to AP seamlessly like a cell tower. They're not cheap, but they are bulletproof.

If you only really need 2 APs then check out the Symbol WS2000 switch and pair it with a couple AP300 access points assuming your two AP's are within the Ethernet max length of 100m. These are PoE "Power over Ethernet" AP's, too which means you do not need to run power to the APs -- just Cat5.

I outfitted two 350,000 sqft warehouses separated by a tunnel completely with Symbol equipment. I spent hours riding around the warehouses and through the tunnel on a tug with my laptop (running a Vantage session), wireless handheld (running the Vantage Handheld UI) and a signal meter. The handoffs were flawless and signal strength was awesome. Remember you will need overlap and even in a warehouse without dividing walls you still need to consider variables like EMF (from machinery, lights, warehouse fans, etc), the height of your warehouse ceiling, and warehouse racks (how many and how high).

If you haven't done so already, measure your warehouse precisely and scale it down to a piece of graph paper or use Visio. The AP's will technically emit a signal up to 200' from center, but I always include a 20% margin of error. So figure a 160' radius, or a 320' diameter for each AP. Again, you need adequate overlap especially if you're going to be using these on trucks as you need the space and time to properly handoff (vs somebody slowly walking in the warehouse). If I have a large warehouse, I'll mount the AP's no more than 250' from each other to provide the necessary overlap. Also ensure your coverage circles get the corners of your warehouse, too. You will obviously have some of the coverage extending outside your warehouse walls by providing coverage to the corners, but that's OK.

You need these safeguards in place with overlap because as you already stated, Vantage is very sensitive and the smallest "blip" will disconnect you.

The WS2000 will manage up to 4 PoE APs and 2 additional AP's but without PoE capability. Again, all your Ethernet runs from this switch must be less than 100m.

If that's not the case, you will need to consider something like Symbol's ES3000 switch and manage both switches with the WS5100.

The WS2000 isn't horribly expensive and each AP300 access point is around $300 I believe.

If you don't like Symbol (owned by Motorola), then go with Cisco.

HP makes great printers, in my opinion. :-)



Vic Drecchio
ERP Administrator
TIMCO Aviation Services
Greensboro, NC
Email:Â Â vic.drecchio@...
Mobile:Â 704.530.3092
Office:Â 336.668.4410 x3159



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs

I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.




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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
Todd-

I used to install Symbol AP's and they have a nice management switch that provided a "cloud" and performs the handoffs from AP to AP seamlessly like a cell tower. They're not cheap, but they are bulletproof.

If you only really need 2 APs then check out the Symbol WS2000 switch and pair it with a couple AP300 access points assuming your two AP's are within the Ethernet max length of 100m. These are PoE "Power over Ethernet" AP's, too which means you do not need to run power to the APs -- just Cat5.

I outfitted two 350,000 sqft warehouses separated by a tunnel completely with Symbol equipment. I spent hours riding around the warehouses and through the tunnel on a tug with my laptop (running a Vantage session), wireless handheld (running the Vantage Handheld UI) and a signal meter. The handoffs were flawless and signal strength was awesome. Remember you will need overlap and even in a warehouse without dividing walls you still need to consider variables like EMF (from machinery, lights, warehouse fans, etc), the height of your warehouse ceiling, and warehouse racks (how many and how high).

If you haven't done so already, measure your warehouse precisely and scale it down to a piece of graph paper or use Visio. The AP's will technically emit a signal up to 200' from center, but I always include a 20% margin of error. So figure a 160' radius, or a 320' diameter for each AP. Again, you need adequate overlap especially if you're going to be using these on trucks as you need the space and time to properly handoff (vs somebody slowly walking in the warehouse). If I have a large warehouse, I'll mount the AP's no more than 250' from each other to provide the necessary overlap. Also ensure your coverage circles get the corners of your warehouse, too. You will obviously have some of the coverage extending outside your warehouse walls by providing coverage to the corners, but that's OK.

You need these safeguards in place with overlap because as you already stated, Vantage is very sensitive and the smallest "blip" will disconnect you.

The WS2000 will manage up to 4 PoE APs and 2 additional AP's but without PoE capability. Again, all your Ethernet runs from this switch must be less than 100m.

If that's not the case, you will need to consider something like Symbol's ES3000 switch and manage both switches with the WS5100.

The WS2000 isn't horribly expensive and each AP300 access point is around $300 I believe.

If you don't like Symbol (owned by Motorola), then go with Cisco.

HP makes great printers, in my opinion. :-)



Vic Drecchio
ERP Administrator
TIMCO Aviation Services
Greensboro, NC
Email:Â Â vic.drecchio@...
Mobile:Â 704.530.3092
Office:Â 336.668.4410 x3159




--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Todd-

I used to install Symbol AP's and they have a nice management switch that provided a "cloud" and performs the handoffs from AP to AP seamlessly like a cell tower. They're not cheap, but they are bulletproof.

If you only really need 2 APs then check out the Symbol WS2000 switch and pair it with a couple AP300 access points assuming your two AP's are within the Ethernet max length of 100m. These are PoE "Power over Ethernet" AP's, too which means you do not need to run power to the APs -- just Cat5.

I outfitted two 350,000 sqft warehouses separated by a tunnel completely with Symbol equipment. I spent hours riding around the warehouses and through the tunnel on a tug with my laptop (running a Vantage session), wireless handheld (running the Vantage Handheld UI) and a signal meter. The handoffs were flawless and signal strength was awesome. Remember you will need overlap and even in a warehouse without dividing walls you still need to consider variables like EMF (from machinery, lights, warehouse fans, etc), the height of your warehouse ceiling, and warehouse racks (how many and how high).

If you haven't done so already, measure your warehouse precisely and scale it down to a piece of graph paper or use Visio. The AP's will technically emit a signal up to 200' from center, but I always include a 20% margin of error. So figure a 160' radius, or a 320' diameter for each AP. Again, you need adequate overlap especially if you're going to be using these on trucks as you need the space and time to properly handoff (vs somebody slowly walking in the warehouse). If I have a large warehouse, I'll mount the AP's no more than 250' from each other to provide the necessary overlap. Also ensure your coverage circles get the corners of your warehouse, too. You will obviously have some of the coverage extending outside your warehouse walls by providing coverage to the corners, but that's OK.

You need these safeguards in place with overlap because as you already stated, Vantage is very sensitive and the smallest "blip" will disconnect you.

The WS2000 will manage up to 4 PoE APs and 2 additional AP's but without PoE capability. Again, all your Ethernet runs from this switch must be less than 100m.

If that's not the case, you will need to consider something like Symbol's ES3000 switch and manage both switches with the WS5100.

The WS2000 isn't horribly expensive and each AP300 access point is around $300 I believe.

If you don't like Symbol (owned by Motorola), then go with Cisco.

HP makes great printers, in my opinion. :-)



Vic Drecchio
ERP Administrator
TIMCO Aviation Services
Greensboro, NC
Email:Â Â vic.drecchio@...
Mobile:Â 704.530.3092
Office:Â 336.668.4410 x3159



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs

I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
we are doing this using a combination of MC9090's and dell laptops all on the same network infastructure. You cant skimp on your network coverage or youll just tear your hair out from dropped connections and slow response. Make sure you have good overlap. We used motorala AP300's and WS2000's and these work pretty good. Rarely any problems with handoffs if you have proper overlap with your signal.
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
On a really tight budget as it is but that's a thought. At least a fallback option if we have issues and it might allow 1st trying lower cost APs. The ones proposed are dual-radio a + b/g. One complication is a 4000 watt laser right where the forklifts need to go by. Sort of worried about RFI from that.
Thanks,
-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ned
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs


I'd think about using a Terminal Server Session instead of a direct
connection via vantage from the laptop through the wireless to the server.
This would also might slightly reduce some of the required hardware for the
laptops.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs

>I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little
>interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged
>laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and
>solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with
>AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for
>plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a
>little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big
>concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP
>to AP and the handoff of the connection.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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Wow, great info. Thanks. I'll have to double check the 10 AP proposal we got against a Visio of our plant. We are not planning to cover the whole place...only the places where WIP is moved and forklifts store WIP. I'll have to question the HP products I suppose.

BTW...this 1/2 hour to 1+ hour group posts delay (between send time and receive time) is getting really irritating today. I wonder what's up. is everyone else seeing this? Some posts are fast but most are really slow lately.

-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vic D.
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs


Todd-

I used to install Symbol AP's and they have a nice management switch that provided a "cloud" and performs the handoffs from AP to AP seamlessly like a cell tower. They're not cheap, but they are bulletproof.

If you only really need 2 APs then check out the Symbol WS2000 switch and pair it with a couple AP300 access points assuming your two AP's are within the Ethernet max length of 100m. These are PoE "Power over Ethernet" AP's, too which means you do not need to run power to the APs -- just Cat5.

I outfitted two 350,000 sqft warehouses separated by a tunnel completely with Symbol equipment. I spent hours riding around the warehouses and through the tunnel on a tug with my laptop (running a Vantage session), wireless handheld (running the Vantage Handheld UI) and a signal meter. The handoffs were flawless and signal strength was awesome. Remember you will need overlap and even in a warehouse without dividing walls you still need to consider variables like EMF (from machinery, lights, warehouse fans, etc), the height of your warehouse ceiling, and warehouse racks (how many and how high).

If you haven't done so already, measure your warehouse precisely and scale it down to a piece of graph paper or use Visio. The AP's will technically emit a signal up to 200' from center, but I always include a 20% margin of error. So figure a 160' radius, or a 320' diameter for each AP. Again, you need adequate overlap especially if you're going to be using these on trucks as you need the space and time to properly handoff (vs somebody slowly walking in the warehouse). If I have a large warehouse, I'll mount the AP's no more than 250' from each other to provide the necessary overlap. Also ensure your coverage circles get the corners of your warehouse, too. You will obviously have some of the coverage extending outside your warehouse walls by providing coverage to the corners, but that's OK.

You need these safeguards in place with overlap because as you already stated, Vantage is very sensitive and the smallest "blip" will disconnect you.

The WS2000 will manage up to 4 PoE APs and 2 additional AP's but without PoE capability. Again, all your Ethernet runs from this switch must be less than 100m.

If that's not the case, you will need to consider something like Symbol's ES3000 switch and manage both switches with the WS5100.

The WS2000 isn't horribly expensive and each AP300 access point is around $300 I believe.

If you don't like Symbol (owned by Motorola), then go with Cisco.

HP makes great printers, in my opinion. :-)

Vic Drecchio
ERP Administrator
TIMCO Aviation Services
Greensboro, NC
Email: vic.drecchio@...<mailto:vic.drecchio%40timco.aero>
Mobile: 704.530.3092
Office: 336.668.4410 x3159

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks. That's interesting..only four APs. We have 120,000sq.ft. but much of it is broken up by floor to ceiling storage racks with boxes full of metal parts. The proposal we have is for 10 APs which seemed like overkill. My own guestimate for the project was $5K but the proposal came in at $9K which has our President asking for alternatives. But going too cheap will only raise the risk of failure with a lot of sunk costs. It's a one shot sort of thing.
Thanks again,
-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs


Our 200,000 sqft shop floor has 4 cisco access points each with dual
9dbi antennas that point down from the beams of the ceiling. Our
forklifts are mounted with rugged laptops and bar code scanners. We did
this as well for use of AMM to move and track material. Along with the
added benefit of an entire wireless plant. The cisco aps have MANY
options and are top of the line devices, which when purchased with two
dbi antennas I think totaled 2000 a piece but they are worth it. The
transition from one wireless ap to another works seamlessly and we don't
experience any drops in connectivity. Vantage works well and we don't
have any problems. Feel free to contact me offline if you would like
specifics are hard ware, ap location, cost, etc... and I can provide you
with a complete list.

From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Wireless access to Vantage from mobile PCs

I know Vantage is very sensitive to network drop. The least little
interruption kills the session. We are contemplating putting rugged
laptops on forklifts. I know others have done this. What issues (and
solutions) will come up in order to do this? We want to use Shop DC with
AMM to move WIP around and record where we put it. Current proposal for
plant wireless uses dual radio A/B/G access points (HP MSM320) that are
a little pricey ($547 each) and I wonder if it is maybe overkill. Big
concern is maintaining the Vantage session as the forklift passes from
AP to AP and the handoff of the connection.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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