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Hi Michael

Thanks for that. I'll let you know how we progress (sic).

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Podlin, Michael [mailto:michael.podlin@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 16:25
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


So far my experiments with the Progress ClientTimeOut and the Vantage
DataCollection window are indicating that as long as a user keeps the
"Vantage DataCollection" window open (and/or minimized) the Progress
ClientTimeOut will not kill the idle session. So if you use the Progress
ClientTimeOut utility and do not wish to have your users by-passing the
ClientTimeOut, you will need to make sure that they do not have access to
the DataCollection screen within Vantage.

The Vantage Gateway/Labor Collector - is effected by the Progress
ClientTimeOut setting.

Michael Podlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Podlin, Michael [mailto:michael.podlin@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:12 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


If this is true, has anyone tried to see if they can prevent their machine
from logging off by opening a data collection window and keeping it
minimized????

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:03 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


We are using Vantage data collection.... you need no gateway. I'm sorry
about the confusion. I'm sure this gateway thing would time out.

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From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:21 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.
2
I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.
3
>>I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
>>Users to be kicked off vantage.

Check out:
http://members.aol.com/mpodlin
You can test it for free (limited functionality) but costs around $100 to
license it.
Its worth every penny!
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.


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4
There are two such utilities. One is provided free from Progress (call Vantage for location, or check progress website). The second was designed by a Vantage user, Michael Podlin, and is much more powerful. You can try it for free and send him a modest $100 if you decide to use it past the 30 day trial.

Here is a summary of the two utilities from Mike himself:




With all the talk and concerns about timing out idle Vantage session I thought I would come in today and experiment with it. I spent a bunch of time today trying many different settings and scenarios, watching what happened both at the workstation and server. I tested both the Progress ClientTimeOut parameter and my ClientTimeOut program. They were both tested against Vantage 3.00.631/Progress 8.3A10 and Vantage 4.00.803/Progress 9.0B26 databases.
Server is running Windows NT 4.0/SP1 the workstations were Windows 98 and Windows 95B.

The tests included leaving the computers sit idle from different screens in Vantage to the extreme measure of turning the pc power off in the middle of Vantage. [I don't think my hard drives enjoyed that too much with all the
times I watched scandisk run after turning the pc back on.]

These are my findings:

The Progress ClientTimeOut parameter:
Pros:
Its Free (its part of your Progress package).
Is a server based application/control and is difficult for users to get around.
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the Vantage license.
Will release an orphaned Vantage license caused by an improper shut down of a workstation.
Cons:
One setting effects all Vantage sessions.
Vantage Database server must be shut down and restarted to apply changes to time.
Progress 8.3A - Generates three error messages on the users workstation and then places them into the Progress Procedure editor. (Hitting the enter key closed the procedure editor.)
Progress 9.0B - Causes the Win98 workstations to lockup on the third error message and the machine must be rebooted/reset (shut down was not allowed).
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process.

My ClientTimeOut application:
Pros:
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the license.
You can set different time settings per workstation.
Changes can be made simply by editing an INI file and the effects are applied
next time Vantage is opened (no need to shut down and restart the database).
Generates only one error message at the users workstation.
Also has the ability to prevent more than one Vantage session to be started and run on the workstation.
Cons:
Costs $100.00
A smart user can figure out how to change the setting in their INI to disable it at their workstation.
It is a client side application, if the workstation is improperly shut down or crashes (power off in the middle of something), an orphaned Vantage license is still left open on the server.
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process, but it can be easily disabled before running a schemachange.

This letter is meant to be non-bias and is for your information only. Both products work, and after the results from today's experiment I will actually be implementing both versions here. I will be using my ClientTimeOut program on my workstations with their settings at 15 min to 6 hrs (depending on the user/workstation). The Progress ClientTimeOut parameter will be setup and enabled at the Server with a registry setting of 480 (8 hrs) to disconnect
and close any orphan licenses that were created during the day by a workstation lockup and/or improper shut down of windows.
Michael Podlin



----- Original Message -----
From: rjacobs@...
To: vantage@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users


I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.


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5
There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

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From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



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(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)



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6
Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.
7
Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



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We would be interested.

Thanks



Warren R. Eddy

Information Services Manager

National Tube Form, LLC

An Excaliber Company

e-mail - Warren.Eddy@...

phone - 219 478-2363 ext 217

fax - 219 478-1043





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:13 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.



Paul Lipham

Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.



----------

From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM

To: vantage@egroups.com

Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users



I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle

Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees

that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.

We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on

multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a

program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with

information please respond.







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(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)







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We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
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(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
9
Does the progress time out utility kill a shop floor data collection screen
displaying the clock if its idle past your setting?

Patrick J. Winter
Information Services Manager
sSc Specialty Screw Corporation
Vantage 4.00.901

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 04:45 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage users


There are two such utilities. One is provided free from Progress (call
Vantage for location, or check progress website). The second was designed
by a Vantage user, Michael Podlin, and is much more powerful. You can try
it for free and send him a modest $100 if you decide to use it past the 30
day trial.

Here is a summary of the two utilities from Mike himself:




With all the talk and concerns about timing out idle Vantage session I
thought I would come in today and experiment with it. I spent a bunch of
time today trying many different settings and scenarios, watching what
happened both at the workstation and server. I tested both the Progress
ClientTimeOut parameter and my ClientTimeOut program. They were both tested
against Vantage 3.00.631/Progress 8.3A10 and Vantage 4.00.803/Progress
9.0B26 databases.
Server is running Windows NT 4.0/SP1 the workstations were Windows 98 and
Windows 95B.

The tests included leaving the computers sit idle from different screens in
Vantage to the extreme measure of turning the pc power off in the middle of
Vantage. [I don't think my hard drives enjoyed that too much with all the
times I watched scandisk run after turning the pc back on.]

These are my findings:

The Progress ClientTimeOut parameter:
Pros:
Its Free (its part of your Progress package).
Is a server based application/control and is difficult for users to get
around.
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the Vantage license.
Will release an orphaned Vantage license caused by an improper shut down of
a workstation.
Cons:
One setting effects all Vantage sessions.
Vantage Database server must be shut down and restarted to apply changes to
time.
Progress 8.3A - Generates three error messages on the users workstation and
then places them into the Progress Procedure editor. (Hitting the enter key
closed the procedure editor.)
Progress 9.0B - Causes the Win98 workstations to lockup on the third error
message and the machine must be rebooted/reset (shut down was not allowed).
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process.

My ClientTimeOut application:
Pros:
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the license.
You can set different time settings per workstation.
Changes can be made simply by editing an INI file and the effects are
applied
next time Vantage is opened (no need to shut down and restart the database).
Generates only one error message at the users workstation.
Also has the ability to prevent more than one Vantage session to be started
and run on the workstation.
Cons:
Costs $100.00
A smart user can figure out how to change the setting in their INI to
disable it at their workstation.
It is a client side application, if the workstation is improperly shut down
or crashes (power off in the middle of something), an orphaned Vantage
license is still left open on the server.
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process, but it can be
easily disabled before running a schemachange.

This letter is meant to be non-bias and is for your information only.
Both products work, and after the results from today's experiment I will
actually be implementing both versions here. I will be using my
ClientTimeOut program on my workstations with their settings at 15 min to 6
hrs (depending on the user/workstation). The Progress ClientTimeOut
parameter will be setup and enabled at the Server with a registry setting of
480 (8 hrs) to disconnect
and close any orphan licenses that were created during the day by a
workstation lockup and/or improper shut down of windows.
Michael Podlin



----- Original Message -----
From: rjacobs@...
To: vantage@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users


I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.


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please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)



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We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
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(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
10
Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.
11
We are using Vantage data collection.... you need no gateway. I'm sorry about the confusion. I'm sure this gateway thing would time out.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:21 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files, please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)



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12
If this is true, has anyone tried to see if they can prevent their machine
from logging off by opening a data collection window and keeping it
minimized????

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:03 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


We are using Vantage data collection.... you need no gateway. I'm sorry
about the confusion. I'm sure this gateway thing would time out.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:21 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



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So far my experiments with the Progress ClientTimeOut and the Vantage
DataCollection window are indicating that as long as a user keeps the
"Vantage DataCollection" window open (and/or minimized) the Progress
ClientTimeOut will not kill the idle session. So if you use the Progress
ClientTimeOut utility and do not wish to have your users by-passing the
ClientTimeOut, you will need to make sure that they do not have access to
the DataCollection screen within Vantage.

The Vantage Gateway/Labor Collector - is effected by the Progress
ClientTimeOut setting.

Michael Podlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Podlin, Michael [mailto:michael.podlin@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:12 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


If this is true, has anyone tried to see if they can prevent their machine
from logging off by opening a data collection window and keeping it
minimized????

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:03 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


We are using Vantage data collection.... you need no gateway. I'm sorry
about the confusion. I'm sure this gateway thing would time out.

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From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:21 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

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From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

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From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



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Paul,

We would also like a copy,

Thanks in advance,

Steve Wirtz

-----Original Message-----
From: Eddy, Warren [SMTP:warren.eddy@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:01 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

We would be interested.

Thanks



Warren R. Eddy

Information Services Manager

National Tube Form, LLC

An Excaliber Company

e-mail - Warren.Eddy@...

phone - 219 478-2363 ext 217

fax - 219 478-1043





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:13 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on
version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions
to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's
programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.



Paul Lipham

Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.



----------

From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM

To: vantage@egroups.com

Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users



I am looking for some information about software that causes
Idle

Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have
employees

that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we
have.

We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on

multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is
a

program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with

information please respond.







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Paul,


Our E-mail is SWirtz@...
<mailto:SWirtz@...>

Thanks,

Steve Wirtz



-----Original Message-----
From: Eddy, Warren [SMTP:warren.eddy@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:01 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

We would be interested.

Thanks



Warren R. Eddy

Information Services Manager

National Tube Form, LLC

An Excaliber Company

e-mail - Warren.Eddy@...

phone - 219 478-2363 ext 217

fax - 219 478-1043





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:13 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on
version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions
to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's
programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.



Paul Lipham

Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.



----------

From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM

To: vantage@egroups.com

Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users



I am looking for some information about software that causes
Idle

Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have
employees

that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we
have.

We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on

multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is
a

program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with

information please respond.







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Hi Michael

My understanding is that the Progress Time Out Utility time out is based on
client/server interaction (you would know better than me!).

That being the case I think the Gateway is just a portal, therefore is the
Gateway client always idle from the Progress Time Out Utility's perspective?
Or am I in too deep?

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Podlin, Michael [mailto:michael.podlin@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 15:12
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


If this is true, has anyone tried to see if they can prevent their machine
from logging off by opening a data collection window and keeping it
minimized????

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:03 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


We are using Vantage data collection.... you need no gateway. I'm sorry
about the confusion. I'm sure this gateway thing would time out.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:21 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Hi Paul

I don't doubt what you say, however, I can assure you that on V4 801 (I
haven't tried since!) the stand-alone Gateway on our shop floor data
collection (via TT5's) was being disconnected if idle for a period greater
that that specified this became a greater problem when the volume of
postings decreased i.e. during night shift.

Your comment "If the user is running Data Collection it updates the time
every minute and will not time out." confuses me, but . . . . If you know
something I don't, I'd be grateful for enlightenment.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Monday 11 December, 2000 12:52
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Actually we have been using the ClientTimeOut feature of Progress for about
five years and it "DOES NOT" time out on Data Collection. If the user is
running Data Collection it updates the time every minute and will not time
out.

Paul L.

----------
From: Chris Reed[SMTP:chrisr@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:54 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users

Beware, this utility (NOT Mike Podlin's) will also log off your Shop Floor
Data Collection Gateway if you are using one.

Regards Chris Reed
PWSL



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Sunday 10 December, 2000 14:13
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


There is a "ClientTimeOut" setting in Progress that we use on version three
and have tested it on Version 4 you have to make some additions to the
registry. If you are interested I can have the company's programmer e-mail
you the procedure. It's not pretty, but works.

Paul Lipham
Alabama Specialty Products, Inc.

----------
From: rjacobs@...[SMTP:rjacobs@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users

I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.



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My co-worker Paul tells me some of you are having problems getting the
client time out feature working. One thing you have to do is edit the
progress.ini and edit the system registry of your server. The feature is
working fine here. It will not log out your workstations that have data
collection running. If anybody needs any help email me and I'll try to be
of assistance.
-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:36 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage users


Does the progress time out utility kill a shop floor data collection
screen
displaying the clock if its idle past your setting?

Patrick J. Winter
Information Services Manager
sSc Specialty Screw Corporation
Vantage 4.00.901

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 04:45 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage users


There are two such utilities. One is provided free from Progress (call
Vantage for location, or check progress website). The second was designed
by a Vantage user, Michael Podlin, and is much more powerful. You can try
it for free and send him a modest $100 if you decide to use it past the 30
day trial.

Here is a summary of the two utilities from Mike himself:




With all the talk and concerns about timing out idle Vantage session I
thought I would come in today and experiment with it. I spent a bunch of
time today trying many different settings and scenarios, watching what
happened both at the workstation and server. I tested both the Progress
ClientTimeOut parameter and my ClientTimeOut program. They were both
tested
against Vantage 3.00.631/Progress 8.3A10 and Vantage 4.00.803/Progress
9.0B26 databases.
Server is running Windows NT 4.0/SP1 the workstations were Windows 98 and
Windows 95B.

The tests included leaving the computers sit idle from different screens
in
Vantage to the extreme measure of turning the pc power off in the middle
of
Vantage. [I don't think my hard drives enjoyed that too much with all the
times I watched scandisk run after turning the pc back on.]

These are my findings:

The Progress ClientTimeOut parameter:
Pros:
Its Free (its part of your Progress package).
Is a server based application/control and is difficult for users to get
around.
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the Vantage license.
Will release an orphaned Vantage license caused by an improper shut down
of
a workstation.
Cons:
One setting effects all Vantage sessions.
Vantage Database server must be shut down and restarted to apply changes
to
time.
Progress 8.3A - Generates three error messages on the users workstation
and
then places them into the Progress Procedure editor. (Hitting the enter
key
closed the procedure editor.)
Progress 9.0B - Causes the Win98 workstations to lockup on the third error
message and the machine must be rebooted/reset (shut down was not
allowed).
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process.

My ClientTimeOut application:
Pros:
Will close an idle Vantage session and release the license.
You can set different time settings per workstation.
Changes can be made simply by editing an INI file and the effects are
applied
next time Vantage is opened (no need to shut down and restart the
database).
Generates only one error message at the users workstation.
Also has the ability to prevent more than one Vantage session to be
started
and run on the workstation.
Cons:
Costs $100.00
A smart user can figure out how to change the setting in their INI to
disable it at their workstation.
It is a client side application, if the workstation is improperly shut
down
or crashes (power off in the middle of something), an orphaned Vantage
license is still left open on the server.
Do not know if this could impact a schemachange process, but it can be
easily disabled before running a schemachange.

This letter is meant to be non-bias and is for your information only.
Both products work, and after the results from today's experiment I will
actually be implementing both versions here. I will be using my
ClientTimeOut program on my workstations with their settings at 15 min to
6
hrs (depending on the user/workstation). The Progress ClientTimeOut
parameter will be setup and enabled at the Server with a registry setting
of
480 (8 hrs) to disconnect
and close any orphan licenses that were created during the day by a
workstation lockup and/or improper shut down of windows.
Michael Podlin



----- Original Message -----
From: rjacobs@...
To: vantage@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage users


I am looking for some information about software that causes Idle
Users to be kicked off vantage. Our prolem is that we have employees
that sign on and leave vantage on using up the logins that we have.
We should have plenty of seats on Vantage but employees log on
multiple times and tie up the system. I have heard that there is a
program that will Kick off idle users after 15mins anyone with
information please respond.


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