Have you ever tested it? With Progress, I recall hearing chatter about that but I always test theories. :-) I do remember being told that, but you're relying on Progress licensing now vs Vantage UI licensing. Plus, hypothetically, an ODBC connection is only attached to the Progress database momentarily while performing a query.
And, this is one major reason to go with SQL vs Progress. With Progress you're stuck. With SQL, you have so much more flexibility and scalability. Even doing things like data forensics is incredibly easier.
With Progress I feel claustrophobic.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage - Problem with Parts & Costing ID
Hi Vic:
Can you clear up something for me regarding your last paragraph?
I am on Vantage8.03/Progress. If I were to use ODBC, aren't I still
using a Progress license everytime I connect via ODBC? Therefore, a
Vantage license will still, in a sense, used by those people viewing
reports via ODBC, correct?
Lynn
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...>
wrote:
the time. If you are just viewing data (no modify, insert, update,
etc), there is zero risk. If you choose to go this route, either
make your ODBC drivers read-only OR (as I do with SQL) create SQL
Views on the tables I want to use to avoid locks and strictly keep
the data view-only.
time tracking system for our 100 engineers to enter time to a UD
table against projects and jobs. Once the time has been verified by
their manager, I have a SQL trigger on UD20 that populates LaborHed
and LaborDtl accordingly and safely. All circumventing Vantage.
Saving lots and lots of money initially and annually.
to purchase a license for Vantage (and thereby not paying annual
maintenance on them, too) for someone who would use Vantage for 5
mins a day or just wants to see Sales to date or oh-hand
inventory.......
access. )
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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And, this is one major reason to go with SQL vs Progress. With Progress you're stuck. With SQL, you have so much more flexibility and scalability. Even doing things like data forensics is incredibly easier.
With Progress I feel claustrophobic.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage - Problem with Parts & Costing ID
Hi Vic:
Can you clear up something for me regarding your last paragraph?
I am on Vantage8.03/Progress. If I were to use ODBC, aren't I still
using a Progress license everytime I connect via ODBC? Therefore, a
Vantage license will still, in a sense, used by those people viewing
reports via ODBC, correct?
Lynn
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...>
wrote:
>logic.
> It's risky to *populate* the database circumventing the Vantage biz
>be slow or it may be inaccurate, but it's not "risky". I do it all
> It's *never* risky to VIEW data via circumventing Vantage. It may
the time. If you are just viewing data (no modify, insert, update,
etc), there is zero risk. If you choose to go this route, either
make your ODBC drivers read-only OR (as I do with SQL) create SQL
Views on the tables I want to use to avoid locks and strictly keep
the data view-only.
>and hit our tables, view reports, etc. I even have created an entire
> In fact, I've created an entire Vantage Intranet using ASP and SQL
time tracking system for our 100 engineers to enter time to a UD
table against projects and jobs. Once the time has been verified by
their manager, I have a SQL trigger on UD20 that populates LaborHed
and LaborDtl accordingly and safely. All circumventing Vantage.
Saving lots and lots of money initially and annually.
>purchase a license for their level of use. It allows me to not have
> It's great for Execs and certain scenarios where it's ridiculous to
to purchase a license for Vantage (and thereby not paying annual
maintenance on them, too) for someone who would use Vantage for 5
mins a day or just wants to see Sales to date or oh-hand
inventory.......
>Behalf Of nmtaylor1969
>
>
>
> Vic Drecchio
> ERP Administrator
> Â
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> Greensboro, NC
> Email:Â Â vic.drecchio@...
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:55 AMthe
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage - Problem with Parts & Costing ID
>
>
> Charlie,
>
> I am interested in your comments here...
>
> Are you saying that you hit the DB directly without going through
> business logic...?progress.
>
> I confess I do this every now and again, but it is risky...!
>
> Isn't it like playing Russian Roulette...!?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Wilson" <foamdesigncsw@>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is true..
> >
> >
> >
> > I like the down and dirty VBS.
> >
> >
> >
> > It took me a little while to figure out the ODBC setup for
> >use.
> >
> >
> > I use it for a data pull for a piece of reporting software we
> >driver;HOST=ERPSERVER;DB=mfgsys;UID=sysprogress;PWD=sysprogress;PORT=8
> >
> >
> > Set cn = CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
> >
> >
> >
> > strCS = "Driver=Progress OpenEdge 10.1B
> >
>
> 350;"never
> >
> >
> >
> > cn.open strCS
> >
> >
> >
> > Set rs = CreateObject("ADODB.recordset")
> >
> >
> >
> > strSQL = "Select statement"
> >
> >
> >
> > rs.open strSQL, cn, 3,3
> >
> >
> >
> > Obvious this is for openedge 10.1B it can be changed to work for
> 10.0
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are every going to do anything like this at any point
> do itall
> > without through testing. If you can I would recommend building a
> totally
> > different server and loading it with a copy of your DB and test
> scriptsrecommend
> > to make sure you get exactly what you want. I would also
> that youID
> > Kick off all users and make a backup of the DB then make your
> changes.
> > Confirm your changes worked the way you wanted and then allow all
> the other
> > users back in. Doing this will allow you to roll back on your
> backup if
> > something goes wrong.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Mark Wonsil
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:32 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage - Problem with Parts & Costing
> >am
> >
> >
> > > You can also do this through a VBS script using the ODBC if I
> notmust have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
> > > mistaken.
> >
> > Or VB.Net through the Business Objects...
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
>
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links