I'll second what Vic says. I find this group incredibly useful, and I invest some time here with regularity on the hope that the favor will be returned when I need a helping hand. That effort has been rewarded time and time again.
But this doesn't replace my support agreement with Epicor. I ask different questions here than I would support. Here I'm often looking for ideas and suggestions on how to approach something, and less often questions on how something works or is supposed to work. I've rarely found a vendor's tech support organization that is equipped or able to answer questions along the lines of "how do I make feature 'x' work for this particular business problem?". Those are "consulting" questions.
When I've had particular issues that I think are defects, I report them on the assumption they'll get fixed, and I've had three or four issues I've found make their wait into service packs (that someday, if I get my VMWare performance issue solved I'll implement). So there's real value there. And I've gotten good, informed answers to problems I've had. I know my users have gotten good answers as well, although sometimes not on the first try.
Occasionally I've gotten the lame "works as intended" answer. I do sigh a bit at those.
I'd say the support is average. I've managed helpdesks in the distant past, and given Epicor's commitment to supporting such a broad range of product versions, the challenge on that group must be considerable.
I do wish Epicor would be a bit more engaged with groups like this, and they should read The Cluetrain Manifesto.
-bws
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From:
vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:09 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - Epicor Support
Chris, I'm curious why you ask the question... do you not have Support?
I've found their Support to be "adequate". Could it be better? Always.
Have I seen worse? Absolutely.
There have been a few times I've beat my head against the desk for a few
hours and then called them and spoke to one of the few knowledgeable
folks in the MSP office and had the issue resolved. They even have a
few good techs in the Monterrey, MX office.
You have to remember these people support many, many versions; heavily
customized to out-of-the-box; various OS's; SQL and Progress, and
varying qualities of server hardware. And then there are the dumb users
and the smart users. Some users cause the problems themselves and are
too embarrassed to say so and if they would be honest the problem would
be resolved much easier.
If we were to expect "concierge" gold-level support then our annual fees
would be doubled. Support is never meant to be a safety net or in lieu
of in-house talent. But many customers expect Support to be their
Admins, too.
I've been to customers before that have their Vantage server sitting in
the lunch room next to the coffee pot. (true) How is that smart?
These guys have their work cut out for them.
Sometimes to get the results you desire you need to be a bully. If you
are not happy with your support, start sending emails to the managers.
Whenever we (Epicor Customers) create a call and then close it, we all
receive the midnight "thank you for using support" email. It has the
manager's info on it. Use it! I have. Shake up the tree if you're not
satisfied and be a Support Bully. It works.
This forum is amazing and it has a wide array of customer knowledge and
insight. This is a supplementary resource. The answers you receive
here will vary more than the boilerplate responses from Epicor Support.
Epicor has liability on the Support they provide... we as colleagues do
not.
I use both.... a lot. The way I submit my calls to Epicor is via
EpicWeb. I spend the time to include all my server logs (and other
applicable logs like MRP), screenshots and as many details as possible.
I zip them up and submit via the website. Almost *always* within 24
hours I get an *educated* call back because of all the info I supplied
up front allows them to better route the call and pre-research my
resolution prior to calling me.
Vic
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From:
vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:01 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage - Epicor Support
Hi All,
Im just wondering how what people's thoughts are regarding Epicor's
support.
I know a lot of you post your queries here - is this because you dont
pay for Epicor's support or is this because you have more success here?
If you do use Epicor's support, how do you find it?
How do you find speed of response?
Have you ever logged something with support where they were unable to
provide a solution then you have either found one for yourself or posted
the question on here and somebody has told you the answer?
Do you find all of your problems are fixed within a suitable time?
Do you find if a fix isnt available that it is often something that is
fixed in a future service pack?
I would be interested to find your thoughts.
Thanks.
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