Vantage and Windows 2000 Server

Actually, yes it does. Or at least I didn't have a problem with it. We
just got a brand new 2000 server in a few weeks ago and I moved Vantage 4.0
from our NT server to the new 2000 server. It worked fine. Then I upgraded
us to 5.0 and that works fine too!

Wendy Bowen
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Polvinale <garyp@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


> Slightly off to the side of this subject... Does Vantage 4.0 work with
> Windows 2000 Server? We're headed that way.
>
> Gary Polvinale
> Denton ATD
Hello All,

I posed this question to Vantage Tech Support and they referred me to
consulting. I would rather not pay the extra cost beyond maintenance for
help with this. So, I am seeking it here.

I am trying to understand what I need for my server upgrade. I have my list
of hardware specs and will be going with Windows 2000 server. My questions
is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate
file/print/domain controller server with Windows 2000 server with 50 CALs.
Users authenticate through that server and then connect to my current
Windows NT 4.0 server to gain access to Vantage. I have NO CALs on my NT
server running access, but NT was always flaky when it came to the
CALs...you could easily get by that fact. However, I am under the
impression that Windows 2000 is a bit more stringent when it comes to
connections. Has anyone dealt with this?



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Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
Fax: (515) 733-4220



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Any connection to a Windows Server (NT4 or 2000) requires a CAL. Doesn't matter if you're printing, pulling files or running an application. The wise thing to do is license per seat, rather than per server. That way all 50 of your users can connect to any or all of your servers with one CAL each. There are upgrade CAL's from NT4 to 2000, we just bought 45 of them at 19.99 each (The server comes with 5, so that gives us 50). As far as I know, 2000 is no more stringent than NT4 on CAL requirements, all you do is enter the total in License Manager and away you go, you COULD put in a couple thousand if you wanted to, there is no disk or anything to "load" them in. However, I would recommend you "do the right thing" and buy the required amount. It is a small price to pay compared to what you could be hit with in fines later idf you don't. All it takes is one disgruntled ex-employee to drop a dime to the SPA and you will be audited.
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-----Original Message-----
From: jkoppes@... [mailto:jkoppes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server



Hello All,

���� I posed this question to Vantage Tech Support and they referred me to
consulting. I would rather not pay the extra cost beyond maintenance for
help with this. So, I am seeking it here.

I am trying to understand what I need for my server upgrade. I have my list
of hardware specs and will be going with Windows 2000 server. My questions
is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate
file/print/domain controller server with Windows 2000 server with 50 CALs.
Users authenticate through that server and then connect to my current
Windows NT 4.0 server to gain access to Vantage. I have NO CALs on my NT
server running access, but NT was always flaky when it came to the
CALs...you could easily get by that fact. However, I am under the
impression that Windows 2000 is a bit more stringent when it comes to
connections. Has anyone dealt with this?



_________________
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PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
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Phone:�������� (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
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At 09:35 AM 5/1/2001 , you wrote:
>is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
>Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate

There are two parts to the Vantage connection. First is the Progress DB
connection (assuming you're not going with SQHell) Progress listens on its
own TCP port, and has its own number of licensed users, so I think that
should be exclusive the NT server CALs. Bill might disagree, however.

The 2nd part is simple file serving, to access the Vantage object code, and
all the other stuff under the shared directory. Obviously, each user
connected to the share needs a CAL.

It is possible to put the components on two different servers. Epicor
documents this as part of their suggested WAN configuration. So if the
assumption about Progress DB users being separate from NT clients is true,
you could load all the Vantage shared files on your server that already has
the adequate licenses, and only run the Progress portion on the other. Or
go really inexpensive and put all your file and print services on a FreeBSD
/ Samba box.

-Wayne
To quote microsoft, "for those who do not have CALs for other purposes
[under NT 4], CALs will be a new requirement"

Unlike NT 4.0, every computer connected to the 2000 server to access any
file services on that server will need a CAL (Client Access License). A
connected computer should only need exactly one CAL, whether it is connected
to Vantage or not.

In other words the Vantage Connection takes place within your existing
connection to the server, and should not require any additional licensing on
the operating system end.

There are various options as to the type of CAL's you can get, which are
further explained on Microsoft's website at

http://207.46.230.218/windows2000/guide/server/pricing/model.asp

Of course, it would be wise to double check the licensing issue with Epicor,
but I strongly believe that if you purchase a CAL for every computer,
Vantage should run just fine.

Any comments from those already running Vantage on 2000 Server would be
greatly appreciated, as our company may be upgrading in the near future.

Best Regards,

Thaddeus


-----Original Message-----
From: jkoppes@... [mailto:jkoppes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server



Hello All,

I posed this question to Vantage Tech Support and they referred me to
consulting. I would rather not pay the extra cost beyond maintenance for
help with this. So, I am seeking it here.

I am trying to understand what I need for my server upgrade. I have my list
of hardware specs and will be going with Windows 2000 server. My questions
is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate
file/print/domain controller server with Windows 2000 server with 50 CALs.
Users authenticate through that server and then connect to my current
Windows NT 4.0 server to gain access to Vantage. I have NO CALs on my NT
server running access, but NT was always flaky when it came to the
CALs...you could easily get by that fact. However, I am under the
impression that Windows 2000 is a bit more stringent when it comes to
connections. Has anyone dealt with this?



_________________
John Koppes
Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
Fax: (515) 733-4220



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Slightly off to the side of this subject... Does Vantage 4.0 work with
Windows 2000 Server? We're headed that way.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


At 09:35 AM 5/1/2001 , you wrote:
>is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
>Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate

There are two parts to the Vantage connection. First is the Progress DB
connection (assuming you're not going with SQHell) Progress listens on its
own TCP port, and has its own number of licensed users, so I think that
should be exclusive the NT server CALs. Bill might disagree, however.

The 2nd part is simple file serving, to access the Vantage object code, and
all the other stuff under the shared directory. Obviously, each user
connected to the share needs a CAL.

It is possible to put the components on two different servers. Epicor
documents this as part of their suggested WAN configuration. So if the
assumption about Progress DB users being separate from NT clients is true,
you could load all the Vantage shared files on your server that already has
the adequate licenses, and only run the Progress portion on the other. Or
go really inexpensive and put all your file and print services on a FreeBSD
/ Samba box.

-Wayne




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Gary,

Last I checked, Progress didn't recommend running 9.0 on Windows 2000
server. They do, however, support 9.1 on W2K Sever which is what Vantage
version 5 runs on.

================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


Slightly off to the side of this subject... Does Vantage 4.0 work with
Windows 2000 Server? We're headed that way.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


At 09:35 AM 5/1/2001 , you wrote:
>is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
>Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate

There are two parts to the Vantage connection. First is the Progress DB
connection (assuming you're not going with SQHell) Progress listens on
its
own TCP port, and has its own number of licensed users, so I think that
should be exclusive the NT server CALs. Bill might disagree, however.

The 2nd part is simple file serving, to access the Vantage object code,
and
all the other stuff under the shared directory. Obviously, each user
connected to the share needs a CAL.

It is possible to put the components on two different servers. Epicor
documents this as part of their suggested WAN configuration. So if the
assumption about Progress DB users being separate from NT clients is true,
you could load all the Vantage shared files on your server that already
has
the adequate licenses, and only run the Progress portion on the other. Or
go really inexpensive and put all your file and print services on a
FreeBSD
/ Samba box.

-Wayne




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Odd thing. I send an email yesterday about licensing and today I get a
phone call from Microsoft wanting to "update there records" on our company.
Coincidence? I think not! :-)

Lesson: Never take pictures, never record anything and never write it down!


_________________
John Koppes
Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
Fax: (515) 733-4220



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Where's the Mole !

jkoppes@... wrote:

> Odd thing. I send an email yesterday about licensing and today I get a
> phone call from Microsoft wanting to "update there records" on our company.
> Coincidence? I think not! :-)
>
> Lesson: Never take pictures, never record anything and never write it down!
>
> _________________
> John Koppes
> Systems Coordinator
> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
> Address: PO Box 157
> Story City, Iowa 50248
> Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
> Fax: (515) 733-4220
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
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>
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> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY immediately by telephone.
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I was afraid of that. After reading emails from this group for the last
month or so, I just can't get too excited about going to 5.0.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


Gary,

Last I checked, Progress didn't recommend running 9.0 on Windows 2000
server. They do, however, support 9.1 on W2K Sever which is what Vantage
version 5 runs on.

================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


Slightly off to the side of this subject... Does Vantage 4.0 work with
Windows 2000 Server? We're headed that way.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


At 09:35 AM 5/1/2001 , you wrote:
>is: How does Vantage handle connections? Does Windows 2000 Server view a
>Vantage connection as a usage of a CAL? We have a new separate

There are two parts to the Vantage connection. First is the Progress DB
connection (assuming you're not going with SQHell) Progress listens on
its
own TCP port, and has its own number of licensed users, so I think that
should be exclusive the NT server CALs. Bill might disagree, however.

The 2nd part is simple file serving, to access the Vantage object code,
and
all the other stuff under the shared directory. Obviously, each user
connected to the share needs a CAL.

It is possible to put the components on two different servers. Epicor
documents this as part of their suggested WAN configuration. So if the
assumption about Progress DB users being separate from NT clients is true,
you could load all the Vantage shared files on your server that already
has
the adequate licenses, and only run the Progress portion on the other. Or
go really inexpensive and put all your file and print services on a
FreeBSD
/ Samba box.

-Wayne




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I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I read nothing...

Sgt. Schultz



jkoppes@... wrote:

> Odd thing. I send an email yesterday about licensing and today I get a
> phone call from Microsoft wanting to "update there records" on our company.
> Coincidence? I think not! :-)
>
> Lesson: Never take pictures, never record anything and never write it down!
>
> _________________
> John Koppes
> Systems Coordinator
> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
> Address: PO Box 157
> Story City, Iowa 50248
> Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
> Fax: (515) 733-4220
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is
> addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without
> subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, PRECISION
> MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY disclaims all responsibility and accepts
> no liability, including in negligence, for the consequences for any person
> acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt
> by those persons of subsequent written confirmation.
>
> If you have received this E-mail / Fax message in error, please notify
> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY immediately by telephone.
> Please also destroy and delete the message.
>
> Contact:
> By Phone: Systems Administrator at (515)-733-5181
> By Email: sysadmin@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Does anyone have any idea how long it takes a moderator to approve a new
member. I have been waiting for some time now.
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage and Windows 2000 Server


I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I read nothing...

Sgt. Schultz



jkoppes@... wrote:

> Odd thing. I send an email yesterday about licensing and today I get a
> phone call from Microsoft wanting to "update there records" on our
company.
> Coincidence? I think not! :-)
>
> Lesson: Never take pictures, never record anything and never write it
down!
>
> _________________
> John Koppes
> Systems Coordinator
> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
> Address: PO Box 157
> Story City, Iowa 50248
> Phone: (515) 733-5181 Ext. 256
> Fax: (515) 733-4220
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is
> addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without
> subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, PRECISION
> MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY disclaims all responsibility and accepts
> no liability, including in negligence, for the consequences for any person
> acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the
receipt
> by those persons of subsequent written confirmation.
>
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notify
> PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY immediately by telephone.
> Please also destroy and delete the message.
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> Contact:
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