Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

I'm a new user of Vantage, so I only know 8.0, but I do have some
wisdom I can share regarding speed issues. On the server, we went
with 4Gb of memory, which is a little over twice the size of our
database (We're running Vantage SQL). Otherwise, our server specs
are comparable to yours. With the clients, anything less than 1Gb is
considered unacceptable for 8.0. I bought all new clients for our
install last year with 512Kb. The system was virutally unusable for
our users, and we came from an ERP system that ran through terminal
emulation! The upgrade to 1Gb made all the difference in the world.
Could it be faster? Certainly, but that could be said about any
application. As far as the patch issue goes, release 807 was
released at the end of March. The change list was only 8 pages long.
By contrast, 806 was over 40 pages not including the interim
patches! To me, that means things are going great. IMO, the system
has been stable since we went live 7 months ago. It's hard to judge
the effectiveness based on how fast patches are released. Most are
minor fixes to individual modules.

Anyway, my $.02 for the day!

Ron Cole
IT Manager, IED Inc.
rcole@...
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jonnyfatman666"
<jonathan.waines@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous
versions?
> I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand
(tabs
> instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than
one
> window open at once, does it all even out?
>
> I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he
was
> shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a
user
> tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
> load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.
>
> We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
> data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
> installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks
in
> the new version.
>
> Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version.
The
> ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
> still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.
>
> However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1
15K
> Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
> Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load
first
> thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
> Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells
and
> whistles.
>
> My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
> problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue
seems
> to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is
worthwhile
> upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
> there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
> messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which
leads
> me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
> release of the software until about now.
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?
>
> Jonny Waines
> IT Admin
> RTK Instruments Ltd
>
Hi All,

How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous versions?
I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand (tabs
instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than one
window open at once, does it all even out?

I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he was
shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a user
tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.

We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks in
the new version.

Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version. The
ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.

However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1 15K
Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load first
thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells and
whistles.

My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue seems
to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is worthwhile
upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which leads
me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
release of the software until about now.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Jonny Waines
IT Admin
RTK Instruments Ltd
I have lots of thoughts on this. But let me sum it up by saying that
what you think of the system is exactly how I do.

It is slow. We have a dual 3ghz server, and I am running xp pro on 3ghz
with 2gb of ram. I posted load times a few weeks back. Here they are
again:

Login:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:12)

Order Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Job Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:25) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:02)

Job Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:14) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Part Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:13) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Salesperson Workbench (Auto Refresh):
(Vantage 8.00.807: 2:52) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:04)


I don't regret buying Vantage, but I wish I had waited to choose an ERP
system till now so I wouldn't be disheartened by the INCREDIBLY slow
version they are packaging as the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't upgrade except I need the APS functionality of 8.0. They
won't sell me APS for 6, telling me that it won't be supported any
longer.

Also, watch out when you resign your support agreements. They
downgraded us from Premium to Standard at the same rate and didn't tell
us they had done so until it was too late. Pretty shady.

Thanks everyone for letting me vent. I am not the happiest of Epicor's
customers.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jonnyfatman666
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

Hi All,

How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous versions?
I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand (tabs
instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than one
window open at once, does it all even out?

I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he was
shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a user
tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.

We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks in
the new version.

Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version. The
ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.

However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1 15K
Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load first
thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells and
whistles.

My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue seems
to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is worthwhile
upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which leads
me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
release of the software until about now.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Jonny Waines
IT Admin
RTK Instruments Ltd






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
I didn't know there was a Premium and Standard maintenance rate. What's the difference?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ben Belzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)



I have lots of thoughts on this. But let me sum it up by saying that
what you think of the system is exactly how I do.

It is slow. We have a dual 3ghz server, and I am running xp pro on 3ghz
with 2gb of ram. I posted load times a few weeks back. Here they are
again:

Login:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:12)

Order Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Job Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:25) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:02)

Job Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:14) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Part Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:13) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Salesperson Workbench (Auto Refresh):
(Vantage 8.00.807: 2:52) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:04)


I don't regret buying Vantage, but I wish I had waited to choose an ERP
system till now so I wouldn't be disheartened by the INCREDIBLY slow
version they are packaging as the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't upgrade except I need the APS functionality of 8.0. They
won't sell me APS for 6, telling me that it won't be supported any
longer.

Also, watch out when you resign your support agreements. They
downgraded us from Premium to Standard at the same rate and didn't tell
us they had done so until it was too late. Pretty shady.

Thanks everyone for letting me vent. I am not the happiest of Epicor's
customers.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jonnyfatman666
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

Hi All,

How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous versions?
I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand (tabs
instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than one
window open at once, does it all even out?

I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he was
shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a user
tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.

We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks in
the new version.

Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version. The
ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.

However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1 15K
Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load first
thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells and
whistles.

My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue seems
to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is worthwhile
upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which leads
me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
release of the software until about now.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Jonny Waines
IT Admin
RTK Instruments Ltd






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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One gets you free on-site classes, the other is just elearning.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

I didn't know there was a Premium and Standard maintenance rate. What's
the difference?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Ben Belzer
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)



I have lots of thoughts on this. But let me sum it up by saying that
what you think of the system is exactly how I do.

It is slow. We have a dual 3ghz server, and I am running xp pro on 3ghz
with 2gb of ram. I posted load times a few weeks back. Here they are
again:

Login:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:12)

Order Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Job Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:25) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:02)

Job Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:14) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Part Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:13) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Salesperson Workbench (Auto Refresh):
(Vantage 8.00.807: 2:52) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:04)


I don't regret buying Vantage, but I wish I had waited to choose an ERP
system till now so I wouldn't be disheartened by the INCREDIBLY slow
version they are packaging as the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't upgrade except I need the APS functionality of 8.0. They
won't sell me APS for 6, telling me that it won't be supported any
longer.

Also, watch out when you resign your support agreements. They
downgraded us from Premium to Standard at the same rate and didn't tell
us they had done so until it was too late. Pretty shady.

Thanks everyone for letting me vent. I am not the happiest of Epicor's
customers.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jonnyfatman666
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

Hi All,

How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous versions?
I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand (tabs
instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than one
window open at once, does it all even out?

I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he was
shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a user
tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.

We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks in
the new version.

Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version. The
ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.

However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1 15K
Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load first
thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells and
whistles.

My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue seems
to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is worthwhile
upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which leads
me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
release of the software until about now.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Jonny Waines
IT Admin
RTK Instruments Ltd






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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What do you have your -s spinlock value set to?



Gary



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Belzer
Sent: 10 April 2006 18:10
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)



I have lots of thoughts on this. But let me sum it up by saying that
what you think of the system is exactly how I do.

It is slow. We have a dual 3ghz server, and I am running xp pro on 3ghz
with 2gb of ram. I posted load times a few weeks back. Here they are
again:

Login:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:12)

Order Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:22) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Job Entry:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:25) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:02)

Job Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:14) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Part Tracker:
(Vantage 8.00.807: 0:13) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:01)

Salesperson Workbench (Auto Refresh):
(Vantage 8.00.807: 2:52) (Vantage 6.10.535: 0:04)


I don't regret buying Vantage, but I wish I had waited to choose an ERP
system till now so I wouldn't be disheartened by the INCREDIBLY slow
version they are packaging as the latest and greatest.

I wouldn't upgrade except I need the APS functionality of 8.0. They
won't sell me APS for 6, telling me that it won't be supported any
longer.

Also, watch out when you resign your support agreements. They
downgraded us from Premium to Standard at the same rate and didn't tell
us they had done so until it was too late. Pretty shady.

Thanks everyone for letting me vent. I am not the happiest of Epicor's
customers.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jonnyfatman666
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Speed Issue (Coming from version 4.0)

Hi All,

How do people perceive the speed of Vantage 8.0 vs previous versions?
I realise it is slower, but with more information being to hand (tabs
instead of opening new windows) and the ability to have more than one
window open at once, does it all even out?

I was surprised when we had it installed, the Epicor guy said he was
shocked how quickly it was running on our system. As soon as a user
tried it though, the complaints started. Forms taking too long to
load, MORE clicks necessary etc etc.

We're now in the first stages of our trial phase after having our
data converted and V8 installed. A select few people have V8
installed and are trying to see if they can do their daily tasks in
the new version.

Personally, if I ignore the speed issue, I love the new version. The
ability to easily customise almost any aspect of the software is
still amazing me every time I have to delve into the background.

However, we are running it on a Dual 3.2GHz Xeon 2GB RAM RAID 1 15K
Drive server, with clients at over 2.4GHz and at least 768MB RAM.
Part tracker can take anything up to around 30 seconds to load first
thing in the morning! Same with many other screens, so I hope that
Epicor is concentrating on speed issues rather than further bells and
whistles.

My MD was initially hoping that Vantage 8.0 would solve all our
problems and although it resolves most of them, the speed issue seems
to be clouding people's judgement of whether or not it is worthwhile
upgrading. After Epicor told me the product was now very stable,
there seem to still be patches emerging almost weekly. I get error
messages on a daily basis in various parts of the program which leads
me to think that perhaps Epicor should have delayed their initial
release of the software until about now.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Jonny Waines
IT Admin
RTK Instruments Ltd






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links




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