Vantage 8.0 Prep

system · July 21, 2004, 6:30pm

I run programs as well as reports this way, maybe 100 or so and growing each day.
Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

How many reports do you distribute to end users this way?

Patrick Winter

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Leonard [mailto:jeremy.leonard@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

We never used Report Builder. I do launch Crystal Report in Vantage 6.1 now
off of the menu.
I don't like the user to notice any difference between an Epicor report and
a Custom report. I also don't want the user to have to mess with adjusting
Crystal filters.

I create a Visual Basic form and plug the Crystal viewer into it. I also
setup one odbc connection to my MSSQL Server. If you hard code the MSSQL
Setting into the VB code you wouldn't even have to do that. I just wanted
the flexibility. I think use SQL Servers "Linked Server" feature to get all
of my data from the Progress database. Using MSSQL Server in the middle
helps in countless ways. I am also able to run Progress export programs
regularly to export data you can't get with ODBC. Then using SQL Servers
DTS package import that data so that its available at report runtime.

Took me some playing around but I don't think there is any data I can't get
out of Progress. Believe it or not, it runs as fast and in some cases
faster then Report builder and Epicor canned reports.

Hope that's not TMI.
Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations to
upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of Report
Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what I've
learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to do"
list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to add
the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing the
exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each client's
computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of my
report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · July 21, 2004, 4:50pm

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations
to upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of
Report Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what
I've learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to
do" list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to
add the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing
the exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each
client's computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of
my report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right
away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

system · July 21, 2004, 4:56pm

Do not forget, any personalization, customization screens and vbforms
screens will all be reset. Each menu must be recreated.

Judd

Custom Hoists, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations
to upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of
Report Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what
I've learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to
do" list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

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system · July 21, 2004, 4:58pm

We never used Report Builder. I do launch Crystal Report in Vantage 6.1 now off of the menu.
I don't like the user to notice any difference between an Epicor report and a Custom report. I also don't want the user to have to mess with adjusting Crystal filters.

I create a Visual Basic form and plug the Crystal viewer into it. I also setup one odbc connection to my MSSQL Server. If you hard code the MSSQL Setting into the VB code you wouldn't even have to do that. I just wanted the flexibility. I think use SQL Servers "Linked Server" feature to get all of my data from the Progress database. Using MSSQL Server in the middle helps in countless ways. I am also able to run Progress export programs regularly to export data you can't get with ODBC. Then using SQL Servers DTS package import that data so that its available at report runtime.

Took me some playing around but I don't think there is any data I can't get out of Progress. Believe it or not, it runs as fast and in some cases faster then Report builder and Epicor canned reports.

Hope that's not TMI.
Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations
to upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of
Report Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what
I've learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to
do" list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to
add the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing
the exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each
client's computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of
my report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right
away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

system · July 21, 2004, 5:08pm

I am more concerned about vantage gotchas from an accounting standpoint than
reports.
I know I am in the minority but I never liked report builder and have been
using crystal since 2000. We have created a shared / secured report server
it is the way to go.

Frank Zeigafuse

Innovative Office Products

General Manager

Direct Phone: 610-559-6369

Email: fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations
to upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of
Report Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what
I've learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to
do" list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to
add the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing
the exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each
client's computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of
my report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right
away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · July 21, 2004, 5:18pm

My thoughts
#1 - Wait 18 months from G.A.
#2 - I plant to wait and see what Crystal 10 (or 11) can do - especially web distribution of reports and .Net hooks
#3 - I was not aware there would be any Crystal distribution facility after 8.5 - I thought it was all to be web based
#4 - Even if 8.0 is out in September there is no way I would go to it without first picking some Epicor brains at Perspectives in October
#5 - We're treating 8.0 pretty much like a brand new Vantage implementation - teams, testing plans, infrastructure changes - at least a six month process once we do decide to do it
#6 - 8.0 has the same functionality as 6.1 (but different interface capabilities) - so there is nothing compelling us to switch sooner

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations
to upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of
Report Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what
I've learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to
do" list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to
add the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing
the exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each
client's computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of
my report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right
away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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system · July 21, 2004, 5:25pm

How many reports do you distribute to end users this way?

Patrick Winter

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Leonard [mailto:jeremy.leonard@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

We never used Report Builder. I do launch Crystal Report in Vantage 6.1 now
off of the menu.
I don't like the user to notice any difference between an Epicor report and
a Custom report. I also don't want the user to have to mess with adjusting
Crystal filters.

I create a Visual Basic form and plug the Crystal viewer into it. I also
setup one odbc connection to my MSSQL Server. If you hard code the MSSQL
Setting into the VB code you wouldn't even have to do that. I just wanted
the flexibility. I think use SQL Servers "Linked Server" feature to get all
of my data from the Progress database. Using MSSQL Server in the middle
helps in countless ways. I am also able to run Progress export programs
regularly to export data you can't get with ODBC. Then using SQL Servers
DTS package import that data so that its available at report runtime.

Took me some playing around but I don't think there is any data I can't get
out of Progress. Believe it or not, it runs as fast and in some cases
faster then Report builder and Epicor canned reports.

Hope that's not TMI.
Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations to
upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of Report
Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what I've
learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to do"
list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to add
the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing the
exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each client's
computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of my
report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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system · July 21, 2004, 5:49pm

To a very large extent CR 10+ is reliant upon Crystal Enterprise for web
based report distribution. You can still export standalone reports to an
HTML page and transfer the page to a standard web server but that's not a
particularly robust reporting strategy. Additionally, CR 10+ relies upon CE
to provide the repository functionality for enterprise component reuse.

In 10, Crystal has simplified the object model, particularly for .NET, and
made report distribution simpler by providing streamlined merge modules for
creating .msi installations. These make creating a distribution a snap if
you have an msi compliant install product or plan to deploy on CE. All of
this is a welcome improvement if you have multiple people creating and
distributing reports throughout your company.

If you are the only report writer in your organization and need a
lightweight tool for quickly ginning up simple tabular reports these
improvements are a bit of a nightmare. CE adds a ton of additional services
to your server and abstracting business objects from the underlying schema
may save having to pre-pass data in complex export queries but it means
having to understand how to create the object layer efficiently and in a
manner that can be reused.

In the future, CR will become more tightly integrated with CE in an attempt
to have it compete more with products like CorVu and further distance itself
from products like RB. Good news indeed for those who don't want to shell
out for more expensive BI products but really bad news for fans of products
like RB.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

My thoughts
#1 - Wait 18 months from G.A.
#2 - I plant to wait and see what Crystal 10 (or 11) can do - especially web
distribution of reports and .Net hooks
#3 - I was not aware there would be any Crystal distribution facility after
8.5 - I thought it was all to be web based
#4 - Even if 8.0 is out in September there is no way I would go to it
without first picking some Epicor brains at Perspectives in October
#5 - We're treating 8.0 pretty much like a brand new Vantage implementation
- teams, testing plans, infrastructure changes - at least a six month
process once we do decide to do it
#6 - 8.0 has the same functionality as 6.1 (but different interface
capabilities) - so there is nothing compelling us to switch sooner

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Garnsey [mailto:mgarnsey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Prep

With the release date a few months away, is anyone making preparations to
upgrade to Vantage 8.0 - specifically with respect to the loss of Report
Builder?

I've spoken with Epicor a few times on the subject, and this is what I've
learned:

-There will be no utility to ease the pain of converting RB reports to
Crystal.

-Integrating Crystal reports into the menu structure is still on the "to do"
list and may not ship with the 8.0 release.

Adding .rpt's to the menu in Vantage 6.1 and Crystal 8.5 requires me to add
the report as a compiled .exe, which adds the hassle of distributing the
exe's dependencies and adding/config'ing ODBC drivers on each client's
computer. Granted I haven't yet played with Crystal 10's
export/distribution feature, but the thought of doing this for each of my
report-running users hasn't exactly enamored me to upgrading right away.

Is there something I'm missing? Thoughts/comments?

Thanks,

Matt

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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