V6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry

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1
We usually only route the parts to a separate rework job if we intend to
modify them into another part number. I.e. we made part X too short, but we
also make part Y which is shorter, so we can turn part X into part Y on the
rework job and receive them to stock.

For anything else, we insert a rework operation on the current job previous
to the operation it was DMR'd on--we click the "added operation" button so
we can track the additional cost, and we adjust the qty/parent for that
operation to indicate the number of parts that need to be reworked. After
rework, we then review the product on the operation it was originally
rejected on, and accept the good quantity if the rework was successful,
thereby fulfilling the demand on the original operation. If it was
unsuccessful, we repeat the process.

--
Amy O'Malley
Process Engineer
Heraeus Medical Components Division
(f/k/a Synovis Interventional Solutions)
8.00.811

On Feb 28 2008, Patrick Parker wrote:

>I have a question with regards to rework. If you have something that
>comes off a job into a DMR and you need to rework it, you can route
>the material to a new job for that rework. However, there appears no
>way to get that reworked piece back into the original job.
>
>We're having situations where material X is being used to produce
>part FOO. If we report a non-conformance at operation 10, we've got
>10 FOO's that we can route to a new job to rework them. But, there's
>no way to get that reworked piece back to the original job to fulfill
>the demand of operation 10. I tried to do a Make to Job link but it
>won't work because the completed FOO part is NOT a material of the
>original job - it's what is being produced.
>
>Seems like this should be easier to work something. Furthermore, the
>MES rework activity adds to the total number of labor quantity, so
>you can't really rework the item on the original job either and
>report quantities.
>
>Anyone else hit this situations and come up with a method of handling
>it. We're running 8.03.404.
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Anyone have the directions to change database permissions for the
default ODBC user? I cant seem to find them anywhere....



Brandon Murch

WindStone Medical Packaging, Inc.

Supervisor of Information Technology

(406)259-6387

bmurch@...

www.windstonemedical.com






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Good afternoon, all -

I'm working with one of my production/traffic coordinators and we came
to a point of disagreement.

In the Labor Entry screen, he thinks that the "Labor Quantity" field
should be the number of GOOD pieces manufactured.

I believe that the "Labor Quantity" is the TOTAL number of pieces
attempted, including any scrap and non-conforming pieces, and that the
GOOD quantity is a calculated number equal to "Labor Quantity" minus
("Scrap" quantity and "Non-Conform" quantity). My rationale for this is
that the costing information has to be based on that "Labor Quantity."

This has become a problem because when a non-conform part is later
approved back into production, he has to make all kinds of adjustments,
which he has been doing by attempting to simply remove the original
non-conform entry from "Labor Entry," but doing so, from what I can
tell, leaves a part stranded in-process in Inspection with no ties back
to the non-conformance.

Thanks in advance for your input.
--Ari


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Sort of related to my last post:

The same coordinator came to me and said that he had some pieces that
had been entered as non-conforming. Inspection processed those pieces
and dispositioned them as "scrap," but in reality they're not scrap -
they need to be put back into production. Either Inspection made a
mistake, or someone after inspection changed their mind and decided they
could still be used... Can I reverse the "scrap" transaction and
re-process them as "accepted?"

Thanks again.
--Ari


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Your production/traffic coordinator is correct. The current quantity is
the number of good pieces produced, scrap qty is the number of pieces
scrapped and the non-conform qty is the number of pieces questioned and
send to quality for inspection.



In My Humble Opinion (which may be questioned from time to time), I
believe that the Quality department should determine which is scrap and
which is passable or reworkable and therefore no scrap should be
reported. All scrap and non-conforming should be reported as
non-conforming so that QA can make the determination through inspection
and DMR processing.



As to your other post, there is a no way of reversing the disposition.
The only thing you can do is get the material back into the job through
a material issue or job material adjustment to get the DMR costs back
into the job.



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry



Good afternoon, all -

I'm working with one of my production/traffic coordinators and we came
to a point of disagreement.

In the Labor Entry screen, he thinks that the "Labor Quantity" field
should be the number of GOOD pieces manufactured.

I believe that the "Labor Quantity" is the TOTAL number of pieces
attempted, including any scrap and non-conforming pieces, and that the
GOOD quantity is a calculated number equal to "Labor Quantity" minus
("Scrap" quantity and "Non-Conform" quantity). My rationale for this is
that the costing information has to be based on that "Labor Quantity."

This has become a problem because when a non-conform part is later
approved back into production, he has to make all kinds of adjustments,
which he has been doing by attempting to simply remove the original
non-conform entry from "Labor Entry," but doing so, from what I can
tell, leaves a part stranded in-process in Inspection with no ties back
to the non-conformance.

Thanks in advance for your input.
--Ari

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Hey, Charlie -

Thanks for the call-back. We ended up taking the live backup from last
night, dropping it onto a test server, and running through a few
variations of the problem. It looks like what had been happening was
this:

Occasionally, an operator would enter a non-com quantity, but the
coordinator is allowed to determine if that non-com is valid or not. If
he decides it isn't valid, he changes the non-com quantity to 0.
Unfortunately, doing so leaves the non-com pieces "orphaned" in the
Inspection queue, and quantities get messed up when Inspection passed
the "orphans" back into production.

So, the decision we made today was that if an operator enters parts as
non-com, the coordinator MUST allow Inspection to process the pieces
(whether there are physical pieces or just "data"), pass them all back
to production, and only THEN should he adjust the quantities. Once the
parts are dispositioned out of Inspection, he can correct the Labor Qty,
and he can enable the "Rework" checkmark and change the non-com quantity
back to 0 if he wants. It's only when he does it before Inspection
processes the queue that the problem comes up.

As for the scrap - I was asking if parts that have already gone to DMR
and been closed can be retrieved and put back into the system. We're
pretty sure they cannot.

Thanks again.
--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charlie Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry



Your production/traffic coordinator is correct. The current quantity is
the number of good pieces produced, scrap qty is the number of pieces
scrapped and the non-conform qty is the number of pieces questioned and
send to quality for inspection.

In My Humble Opinion (which may be questioned from time to time), I
believe that the Quality department should determine which is scrap and
which is passable or reworkable and therefore no scrap should be
reported. All scrap and non-conforming should be reported as
non-conforming so that QA can make the determination through inspection
and DMR processing.

As to your other post, there is a no way of reversing the disposition.
The only thing you can do is get the material back into the job through
a material issue or job material adjustment to get the DMR costs back
into the job.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/
<http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> > /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry

Good afternoon, all -

I'm working with one of my production/traffic coordinators and we came
to a point of disagreement.

In the Labor Entry screen, he thinks that the "Labor Quantity" field
should be the number of GOOD pieces manufactured.

I believe that the "Labor Quantity" is the TOTAL number of pieces
attempted, including any scrap and non-conforming pieces, and that the
GOOD quantity is a calculated number equal to "Labor Quantity" minus
("Scrap" quantity and "Non-Conform" quantity). My rationale for this is
that the costing information has to be based on that "Labor Quantity."

This has become a problem because when a non-conform part is later
approved back into production, he has to make all kinds of adjustments,
which he has been doing by attempting to simply remove the original
non-conform entry from "Labor Entry," but doing so, from what I can
tell, leaves a part stranded in-process in Inspection with no ties back
to the non-conformance.

Thanks in advance for your input.
--Ari

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In 6, 8.x and 8.03.x when Quality is enabled, the reporting of
quantities within the MES, Office MES or Labor entry become important
because of the triggers.

Once a part has been passed to inspection, it has to follow that
process. If not things can go wild fast. At inspection, the inspector
has the opportunity to pass or fail the reported quantity. This is an
area I am not very fond of because you can't have multiple failures for
a reported quantity such as in a PO receipt.



Getting back to your issue, inspection processing needs to be completed
and if they are acceptable, they can pass and are then returned to the
job operation where they are available for the next op. If they fail,
they go to the DMR process where they can again be accepted back into
the Job operation or accepted but require rework and then sent to a
rework Job or Job operation. The last DMR disposition is reject (or
scrap). Once the disposition is made, you can change the reason but not
the quantity. All of this is because when the WIP/Inventory is turned
on... you are also making G/L accounting entries at the same time for
quality, WIP and inventory. If the WIP/Inventory is turned off, you are
still making transaction log entries, but not the G/L.



Once again, the Current, scrap and non-conforming quantities should add
up to the total produced for that operation.



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry



Hey, Charlie -

Thanks for the call-back. We ended up taking the live backup from last
night, dropping it onto a test server, and running through a few
variations of the problem. It looks like what had been happening was
this:

Occasionally, an operator would enter a non-com quantity, but the
coordinator is allowed to determine if that non-com is valid or not. If
he decides it isn't valid, he changes the non-com quantity to 0.
Unfortunately, doing so leaves the non-com pieces "orphaned" in the
Inspection queue, and quantities get messed up when Inspection passed
the "orphans" back into production.

So, the decision we made today was that if an operator enters parts as
non-com, the coordinator MUST allow Inspection to process the pieces
(whether there are physical pieces or just "data"), pass them all back
to production, and only THEN should he adjust the quantities. Once the
parts are dispositioned out of Inspection, he can correct the Labor Qty,
and he can enable the "Rework" checkmark and change the non-com quantity
back to 0 if he wants. It's only when he does it before Inspection
processes the queue that the problem comes up.

As for the scrap - I was asking if parts that have already gone to DMR
and been closed can be retrieved and put back into the system. We're
pretty sure they cannot.

Thanks again.
--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Charlie Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry

Your production/traffic coordinator is correct. The current quantity is
the number of good pieces produced, scrap qty is the number of pieces
scrapped and the non-conform qty is the number of pieces questioned and
send to quality for inspection.

In My Humble Opinion (which may be questioned from time to time), I
believe that the Quality department should determine which is scrap and
which is passable or reworkable and therefore no scrap should be
reported. All scrap and non-conforming should be reported as
non-conforming so that QA can make the determination through inspection
and DMR processing.

As to your other post, there is a no way of reversing the disposition.
The only thing you can do is get the material back into the job through
a material issue or job material adjustment to get the DMR costs back
into the job.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/
<http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> > /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry

Good afternoon, all -

I'm working with one of my production/traffic coordinators and we came
to a point of disagreement.

In the Labor Entry screen, he thinks that the "Labor Quantity" field
should be the number of GOOD pieces manufactured.

I believe that the "Labor Quantity" is the TOTAL number of pieces
attempted, including any scrap and non-conforming pieces, and that the
GOOD quantity is a calculated number equal to "Labor Quantity" minus
("Scrap" quantity and "Non-Conform" quantity). My rationale for this is
that the costing information has to be based on that "Labor Quantity."

This has become a problem because when a non-conform part is later
approved back into production, he has to make all kinds of adjustments,
which he has been doing by attempting to simply remove the original
non-conform entry from "Labor Entry," but doing so, from what I can
tell, leaves a part stranded in-process in Inspection with no ties back
to the non-conformance.

Thanks in advance for your input.
--Ari

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I have a question with regards to rework. If you have something that
comes off a job into a DMR and you need to rework it, you can route
the material to a new job for that rework. However, there appears no
way to get that reworked piece back into the original job.

We're having situations where material X is being used to produce
part FOO. If we report a non-conformance at operation 10, we've got
10 FOO's that we can route to a new job to rework them. But, there's
no way to get that reworked piece back to the original job to fulfill
the demand of operation 10. I tried to do a Make to Job link but it
won't work because the completed FOO part is NOT a material of the
original job - it's what is being produced.

Seems like this should be easier to work something. Furthermore, the
MES rework activity adds to the total number of labor quantity, so
you can't really rework the item on the original job either and
report quantities.

Anyone else hit this situations and come up with a method of handling
it. We're running 8.03.404.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Smith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> In 6, 8.x and 8.03.x when Quality is enabled, the reporting of
> quantities within the MES, Office MES or Labor entry become
important
> because of the triggers.
>
> Once a part has been passed to inspection, it has to follow that
> process. If not things can go wild fast. At inspection, the
inspector
> has the opportunity to pass or fail the reported quantity. This is
an
> area I am not very fond of because you can't have multiple failures
for
> a reported quantity such as in a PO receipt.
>
>
>
> Getting back to your issue, inspection processing needs to be
completed
> and if they are acceptable, they can pass and are then returned to
the
> job operation where they are available for the next op. If they
fail,
> they go to the DMR process where they can again be accepted back
into
> the Job operation or accepted but require rework and then sent to a
> rework Job or Job operation. The last DMR disposition is reject (or
> scrap). Once the disposition is made, you can change the reason but
not
> the quantity. All of this is because when the WIP/Inventory is
turned
> on... you are also making G/L accounting entries at the same time
for
> quality, WIP and inventory. If the WIP/Inventory is turned off, you
are
> still making transaction log entries, but not the G/L.
>
>
>
> Once again, the Current, scrap and non-conforming quantities should
add
> up to the total produced for that operation.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Ari Footlik
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:55 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry
>
>
>
> Hey, Charlie -
>
> Thanks for the call-back. We ended up taking the live backup from
last
> night, dropping it onto a test server, and running through a few
> variations of the problem. It looks like what had been happening was
> this:
>
> Occasionally, an operator would enter a non-com quantity, but the
> coordinator is allowed to determine if that non-com is valid or
not. If
> he decides it isn't valid, he changes the non-com quantity to 0.
> Unfortunately, doing so leaves the non-com pieces "orphaned" in the
> Inspection queue, and quantities get messed up when Inspection
passed
> the "orphans" back into production.
>
> So, the decision we made today was that if an operator enters parts
as
> non-com, the coordinator MUST allow Inspection to process the pieces
> (whether there are physical pieces or just "data"), pass them all
back
> to production, and only THEN should he adjust the quantities. Once
the
> parts are dispositioned out of Inspection, he can correct the Labor
Qty,
> and he can enable the "Rework" checkmark and change the non-com
quantity
> back to 0 if he wants. It's only when he does it before Inspection
> processes the queue that the problem comes up.
>
> As for the scrap - I was asking if parts that have already gone to
DMR
> and been closed can be retrieved and put back into the system. We're
> pretty sure they cannot.
>
> Thanks again.
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of Charlie Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:08 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry
>
> Your production/traffic coordinator is correct. The current
quantity is
> the number of good pieces produced, scrap qty is the number of
pieces
> scrapped and the non-conform qty is the number of pieces questioned
and
> send to quality for inspection.
>
> In My Humble Opinion (which may be questioned from time to time), I
> believe that the Quality department should determine which is scrap
and
> which is passable or reworkable and therefore no scrap should be
> reported. All scrap and non-conforming should be reported as
> non-conforming so that QA can make the determination through
inspection
> and DMR processing.
>
> As to your other post, there is a no way of reversing the
disposition.
> The only thing you can do is get the material back into the job
through
> a material issue or job material adjustment to get the DMR costs
back
> into the job.
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/
> <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> > /
> www.2WTech.com
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of Ari Footlik
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:51 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] v6.10.541 "Labor Quantity" in Labor Entry
>
> Good afternoon, all -
>
> I'm working with one of my production/traffic coordinators and we
came
> to a point of disagreement.
>
> In the Labor Entry screen, he thinks that the "Labor Quantity" field
> should be the number of GOOD pieces manufactured.
>
> I believe that the "Labor Quantity" is the TOTAL number of pieces
> attempted, including any scrap and non-conforming pieces, and that
the
> GOOD quantity is a calculated number equal to "Labor Quantity" minus
> ("Scrap" quantity and "Non-Conform" quantity). My rationale for
this is
> that the costing information has to be based on that "Labor
Quantity."
>
> This has become a problem because when a non-conform part is later
> approved back into production, he has to make all kinds of
adjustments,
> which he has been doing by attempting to simply remove the original
> non-conform entry from "Labor Entry," but doing so, from what I can
> tell, leaves a part stranded in-process in Inspection with no ties
back
> to the non-conformance.
>
> Thanks in advance for your input.
> --Ari
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
>
>
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