Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage

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Gary
We use ArcserveIT to back up our server. We use Progress' Backup utility to
create a backup file that goes on the tape. We used the Directory tree to
delselect those files and yes new files are skipped. Of course you can not
use the tree to deselect and put up with all the error messages. Since the
Directory is stable except for upgrades if you do the selection after each
upgrade you should catch all the files. We seem to.

Russ Dover
Weaver Industries.


On 26 Sep 00, at 12:44, Gary Schmucker wrote:

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From: "Gary Schmucker" <gslycro@...>
Date sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:44:54 -0500
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Subject: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage

>
> Gary Schmucker
>
> Lycro Products Co., Inc.
>
> P.O. Box 571
>
> 66557 St. Rd. 19
>
> Wakarusa, IN 46573-0571
>
> Phone: (219) 862-4981
>
> Email: gslycro@...
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are using
> Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back up our
> windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time we were
> going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage
> database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage.
> so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we should
> exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is
> this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of
> there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect the
> files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at the
> time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They
> stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job was
> created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that
> backup job and the backup job does not look for
>
>
> -Gary Schmucker
>
>
>
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Gary Schmucker

Lycro Products Co., Inc.

P.O. Box 571

66557 St. Rd. 19

Wakarusa, IN 46573-0571

Phone: (219) 862-4981

Email: gslycro@...



Hi all,

I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are using Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back up our windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time we were going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage. so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we should exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect the files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at the time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job was created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that backup job and the backup job does not look for new files that may have been added to the directory in which files were deselected. Is this true? If so, how can you automatically update the "snapshot"? I was told that you could use the filter option and not deselect individual files but that would take much too long to configure for all the files that we do want excluded. Any ideas or suggestions? Should we possibly go ahead and use the backup agent for open files and not deselect anything? Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks for helping a newbie!!



-Gary Schmucker





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Gary,

You are okay excluding the Vantage\DB directory no matter what. All the info
you need is taken care of with Vantage's backup utility.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

Hi all,

I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are
using Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back up
our windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time we
were going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage
database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage.
so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we should
exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is
this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of
there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect the
files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at the
time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They
stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job was
created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that
backup job and the backup job does not look for new files that may have been
added to the directory in which files were deselected. Is this true? If
so, how can you automatically update the "snapshot"? I was told that you
could use the filter option and not deselect individual files but that would
take much too long to configure for all the files that we do want excluded.
Any ideas or suggestions? Should we possibly go ahead and use the backup
agent for open files and not deselect anything? Any help would be greatly
appreciated!! Thanks for helping a newbie!!



-Gary Schmucker
4
I'm not new to IT, but I am new to ARCserveIT. I have been using it for the
past 3 months, and I don't really care for it compared to BackupExec.
Anyway, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Vantage
backup simply makes a copy of the data that doesn't remain open, thereby
allowing ARCserveIT to back it up clean. The stuff that is open in Vantage
can remain in the backup job, and it will get skipped because it is open. I
am doing a full-backup of the server that contains the Vantage files.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schmucker [mailto:gslycro@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:45 AM
To: Vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage



Gary Schmucker

Lycro Products Co., Inc.

P.O. Box 571

66557 St. Rd. 19

Wakarusa, IN 46573-0571

Phone: (219) 862-4981

Email: gslycro@...



Hi all,

I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are
using Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back up
our windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time we
were going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage
database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage.
so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we should
exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is
this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of
there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect the
files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at the
time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They
stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job was
created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that
backup job and the backup job does not look for new files that may have been
added to the directory in which files were deselected. Is this true? If
so, how can you automatically update the "snapshot"? I was told that you
could use the filter option and not deselect individual files but that would
take much too long to configure for all the files that we do want excluded.
Any ideas or suggestions? Should we possibly go ahead and use the backup
agent for open files and not deselect anything? Any help would be greatly
appreciated!! Thanks for helping a newbie!!



-Gary Schmucker





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choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
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Yes it will usually state that the file is in use and skip it. BackupExec
does the same thing.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Davis [mailto:bdavis@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:35 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage

I'm not new to IT, but I am new to ARCserveIT. I have been using it for the
past 3 months, and I don't really care for it compared to BackupExec.
Anyway, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Vantage
backup simply makes a copy of the data that doesn't remain open, thereby
allowing ARCserveIT to back it up clean. The stuff that is open in Vantage
can remain in the backup job, and it will get skipped because it is open. I
am doing a full-backup of the server that contains the Vantage files.
6
I use ARCserve Manager (the original from Chyenne Software) and it will
backup all the files on my server, open or not, except for several DHCP
related files. I don't recall installing the open file routine; maybe the
version I am running doesn't need it. Anyway, I check my logs everyday and
test the backup tapes for integrety weekly (I do a sample restore to a
folder setup for that purpose). Have had zero problems with tapes and drive
since install July 1998 - now I have probably jinked myself; oh well.
Jim Stetter
Snow Filtration
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Davis [mailto:bdavis@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 2:35 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage


I'm not new to IT, but I am new to ARCserveIT. I have been using it for
the
past 3 months, and I don't really care for it compared to BackupExec.
Anyway, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Vantage
backup simply makes a copy of the data that doesn't remain open, thereby
allowing ARCserveIT to back it up clean. The stuff that is open in
Vantage
can remain in the backup job, and it will get skipped because it is open.
I
am doing a full-backup of the server that contains the Vantage files.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schmucker [mailto:gslycro@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:45 AM
To: Vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage



Gary Schmucker

Lycro Products Co., Inc.

P.O. Box 571

66557 St. Rd. 19

Wakarusa, IN 46573-0571

Phone: (219) 862-4981

Email: gslycro@...



Hi all,

I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are
using Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back
up
our windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time
we
were going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage
database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage.
so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we
should
exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is
this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of
there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect
the
files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at
the
time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They
stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job
was
created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that
backup job and the backup job does not look for new files that may have
been
added to the directory in which files were deselected. Is this true? If
so, how can you automatically update the "snapshot"? I was told that you
could use the filter option and not deselect individual files but that
would
take much too long to configure for all the files that we do want
excluded.
Any ideas or suggestions? Should we possibly go ahead and use the backup
agent for open files and not deselect anything? Any help would be greatly
appreciated!! Thanks for helping a newbie!!



-Gary Schmucker





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Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link
above
will work the next time you try it.)

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
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Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)



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hello all,

thanks for your help in easing my fears of the vantage database not
being backed up in ARCserve!! now my only fear is this......how bout any
other files that are added after the initial backup job configuration? are
these definitely going to be backed up? thanks again!!!

-Gary Schmucker


----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Tolliver <e.tolliver@...>
To: <vantage@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Using ARCserveIT to back up Vantage


> Gary,
>
> You are okay excluding the Vantage\DB directory no matter what. All the
info
> you need is taken care of with Vantage's backup utility.
>
> Eric Tolliver
> IT\MIS
> Continental Industries Inc.
> 5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
> Mesa, Az 85215
> http://ciirelays.com/
> mailto:e.tolliver@...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this IT professional thing so please bare with me!! We are
> using Vantage 4.0 and are using ARCserveIT Workgroup Edition 6.61 to back
up
> our windows NT server which has the Vantage database on it. At one time
we
> were going to use the addon on agent for open files to back up the vantage
> database but then epicor suggested using there backup utility in vantage.
> so, we have switched to using this utility and epicor stated that we
should
> exclude the database from the ARCserve daily backup. My main question is
> this.....Computer Associates, the makers of ARCserveIT, stated in one of
> there documents that if you use the directory tree to select or deselect
the
> files that you want backed up, only the files which are on the server at
the
> time the backup job was created will be backed up in the future. They
> stated that they use a "snapshot" of the hard drive at the time the job
was
> created and use that same snapshot for all scheduled backups that use that
> backup job and the backup job does not look for new files that may have
been
> added to the directory in which files were deselected. Is this true? If
> so, how can you automatically update the "snapshot"? I was told that you
> could use the filter option and not deselect individual files but that
would
> take much too long to configure for all the files that we do want
excluded.
> Any ideas or suggestions? Should we possibly go ahead and use the backup
> agent for open files and not deselect anything? Any help would be greatly
> appreciated!! Thanks for helping a newbie!!
>
>
>
> -Gary Schmucker
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
> (Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)
>
>