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All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul
Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback messages from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one was epicor@ .

A typical message is:
fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance, contact your system administrator.
< bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected, id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>

Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a rejection message is not worth doing.

But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for a possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the group has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as Vantage group names.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address 24.46.0.217


All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul


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(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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I'm getting a lot of those same messages. I don't know what they
are, I delete them without opening them. They come in as "mail
delivery failure" or "your password confirmation" in the subject
line from bizarre address names. They all had the same size around
77K and they all had an attachment to them. So as soon as they get
in my box, I delete them. Now I'm glad I did.
I could add bunches of clues to this. I have been getting this for a couple
of weeks.
All trace to the same IP. I have been directly deleting them using Norton
for the last several days (got sick of reading the messages with the
attachment removed by Norton.
If I am not mistaken this is the mail server of someone that is infected.
Shame on me, but I scanned the ports on the server (in an attempt to
identify anything about the offending machine) about a week ago and only
found 25 and 110 open indicating a likely mail server.

A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt enter...
ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network are
scanned.

Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback messages
from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of
names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected
content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one
was epicor@ .

A typical message is:
fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance,
contact your system administrator.
< bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected,
id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>

Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the
sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a
rejection message is not worth doing.

But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for a
possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the group
has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as
Vantage group names.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address 24.46.0.217


All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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Visual Route, traces the IP to the South Western Ohio area (Cincinnati). I
posted a message on a similar topic earlier this week and didn't get a
response.

No one program protects completely, you have to layer your
Defenses Start out with a good hardware firewall, then whatever email
Server you are using also has email scanning and have it scan all traffic.
Then a good server antivirus that scans file traffic (Trend is good, so is
Panda),This is just on the server side. As you move to the workstations
that connect to the internet I use, in combination, (The Cleaner, Peer
Guardian, Pest Patrol, and workstation versions of Trend or Panda). On top
of all this you have to constantly monitor user traffic and remind users
over and over and over "DON'T CLICK ON EMAILS". I also collect all the spam
and adjust mail filters daily. I have a list of about 10,000 spam domains
block, a cross reference list of countries and IP address blocks Peer
Guardian gives you about 94,000,000 blocked IP addresses. I block whole
countries if the roar of spam and infected emails gets too loud from a given
nation. All of this is no guarantee of security, it's getting bad out
there people. I'm blocking about 300 infected emails a week. For the last
six months we have been pounded unbelievably with port attacks and infected
emails. I am spending at least 12 hours a week on network security.

Quick group survey:
How many Virus infected emails do you intercept in a week?
Have you had any non email attacks in recent weeks?
How many hours a week do you/your company spend on security?

If we get enough replies to this I'll compile it into a report that the
group can use to sell their management on security improvements.

Shirley
_____

From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217


I could add bunches of clues to this. I have been getting this for a couple
of weeks.
All trace to the same IP. I have been directly deleting them using Norton
for the last several days (got sick of reading the messages with the
attachment removed by Norton.
If I am not mistaken this is the mail server of someone that is infected.
Shame on me, but I scanned the ports on the server (in an attempt to
identify anything about the offending machine) about a week ago and only
found 25 and 110 open indicating a likely mail server.

A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt enter...
ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network are
scanned.

Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback messages
from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of
names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected
content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one
was epicor@ .

A typical message is:
fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance,
contact your system administrator.
< bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected,
id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>

Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the
sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a
rejection message is not worth doing.

But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for a
possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the group
has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as
Vantage group names.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address 24.46.0.217


All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links











Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links





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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt enter...
ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network are
scanned.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

One note here....if you are behind a firewall with address translation to a non-routable subnet range (like 192.168.xxx.xxx) then all you will get with ping from inside the firewall is your internal mail server address. Also, if your domain records for web and mail are split (as in web hosted elsewhere but mail is local) then even if you try pinging your domain name from a remote PC (like at home) you will most likely get your web sites IP address. Even doing a WHOIS on your domain name will most likely get your web site if it is hosted remotely.

The only way I can verify my MX record IP address is inside my firewall's settings or by calling my ISP.

Just in case someone checks and sees a 192.168 (or similar non-routable range) and thinks they are in the clear.

-Todd C.





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The tip on the non-routable range is right on.
Happened to me

But I am able to ping the name of our web mail server from inside
our firewall to receive a valid IP. Though that will not work in
all cases either. Ours is hosted by the same server. But it might
yield something valuable.

David



> The only way I can verify my MX record IP address is inside my
> firewall's settings or by calling my ISP.
>
> Just in case someone checks and sees a 192.168 (or similar
> non-routable range) and thinks they are in the clear.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
If you want to check the Internet IP and you are behind a firewall give this
site a shot.

http://www.lib.montana.edu/help/iphelp.html

I will give you the Internet IP you are masked behind.

Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gartner [mailto:dgartner@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



The tip on the non-routable range is right on.
Happened to me

But I am able to ping the name of our web mail server from inside
our firewall to receive a valid IP. Though that will not work in
all cases either. Ours is hosted by the same server. But it might
yield something valuable.

David



> The only way I can verify my MX record IP address is inside my
> firewall's settings or by calling my ISP.
>
> Just in case someone checks and sees a 192.168 (or similar
> non-routable range) and thinks they are in the clear.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
And if you want another clue...
24.46.0.217 US UNITED STATES NEW YORK GLEN COVE OPTIMUM ONLINE (CABLEVISION
SYSTEMS)
This is the information obtained from www.ip2location.com
So now...if you are a Cable Internet user on this list in NY, time to start
checking.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



If you want to check the Internet IP and you are behind a firewall give this
site a shot.

http://www.lib.montana.edu/help/iphelp.html

I will give you the Internet IP you are masked behind.

Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gartner [mailto:dgartner@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



The tip on the non-routable range is right on.
Happened to me

But I am able to ping the name of our web mail server from inside
our firewall to receive a valid IP. Though that will not work in
all cases either. Ours is hosted by the same server. But it might
yield something valuable.

David



> The only way I can verify my MX record IP address is inside my
> firewall's settings or by calling my ISP.
>
> Just in case someone checks and sees a 192.168 (or similar
> non-routable range) and thinks they are in the clear.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links












Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Hi guys

I have had similar problems. How do you do a trace to find that IP?



Mark Dupuis



_____

From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217




I could add bunches of clues to this. I have been getting this for a couple
of weeks.
All trace to the same IP. I have been directly deleting them using Norton
for the last several days (got sick of reading the messages with the
attachment removed by Norton.
If I am not mistaken this is the mail server of someone that is infected.
Shame on me, but I scanned the ports on the server (in an attempt to
identify anything about the offending machine) about a week ago and only
found 25 and 110 open indicating a likely mail server.

A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt enter...
ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network are
scanned.

Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback messages
from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of
names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected
content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one
was epicor@ .

A typical message is:
fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance,
contact your system administrator.
< bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected,
id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>

Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the
sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a
rejection message is not worth doing.

But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for a
possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the group
has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as
Vantage group names.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address 24.46.0.217


All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
"No one program protects completely, you have to layer your Defenses"

Admittedly, this won't help you with spam but here is a quote from the US
Army worth considering...

"Process Authentication is a resource efficient, Host Intrusion Prevention
product, that integrates with the Operating System and runs at the system
level. It runs several low-level system services that intercept system calls
to the Windows kernel and monitors for new executable code requesting
processor time. When a system call requests processor time for executable
code, it verifies whether the executable is in the authentication database.
If so, it verifies by path, file size, and file name. If the executable is
not in the database, the call is denied and never reaches the Kernel. This
all takes place within milliseconds making it unnoticeable to the user.

Running at the system level and intercepting system calls to the Windows
Kernel for the purpose of authenticating executable code ensures that
nothing can bypass the Operating System or Process Authentication and
execute. Even if an administrator tries to execute something that has not
been authenticated, it will not run. Even if "user policies" are hacked,
Process Authentication will continue protection. This is the only tool
available to provide a static controllable environment while at the same
time giving a very clear picture of what is running within the network.

When Process Authentication is first installed, it scans each machines' hard
drives for every type of executable and places them into a local
authentication database. After installation, authentication of new
executables and software packages are performed using simple wizards. The
Server is used to centrally manage the client machines for authentication of
updates, patches, and new software rollouts. If the Server should go down,
each PC will still be able to function. Authentication of new executables
can be performed at each local PC or centrally from the Server.

If an executable is not in the authentication database or if any attributes
change, it will not run. Various forms of executables such as Viruses,
Trojans, Worms, and valid software can be placed on a computers hard drive;
however, the code will never execute or harm the computer. Process
Authentication can prevent all types of code from running including known
and unknown threats that Anti-Virus software would miss or not know of yet.
Process Authentication also protects against programs that Windows policies
cannot enforce, such as programs that do not affect the registry.

Process Authentication is another layer of security when compared to
Anti-Virus software, firewalls, or Intrusion Detection systems. It does not
use signatures or patterns to detect malicious code; therefore, it cannot
inform the user whether the unauthorized code is malicious or friendly. It
can only verify if the program is allowed to execute and enforce denial of
execution with the highest power of the Windows Operating System."

Ok, its a bit wordy but I'm sure you will get the point. 0 viruses, 0 worms,
0 spyware, 0 adware, 0 games, 0 streaming crap...etc.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217


Visual Route, traces the IP to the South Western Ohio area (Cincinnati). I
posted a message on a similar topic earlier this week and didn't get a
response.

No one program protects completely, you have to layer your
Defenses Start out with a good hardware firewall, then whatever email
Server you are using also has email scanning and have it scan all traffic.
Then a good server antivirus that scans file traffic (Trend is good, so is
Panda),This is just on the server side. As you move to the workstations
that connect to the internet I use, in combination, (The Cleaner, Peer
Guardian, Pest Patrol, and workstation versions of Trend or Panda). On top
of all this you have to constantly monitor user traffic and remind users
over and over and over "DON'T CLICK ON EMAILS". I also collect all the spam
and adjust mail filters daily. I have a list of about 10,000 spam domains
block, a cross reference list of countries and IP address blocks Peer
Guardian gives you about 94,000,000 blocked IP addresses. I block whole
countries if the roar of spam and infected emails gets too loud from a given
nation. All of this is no guarantee of security, it's getting bad out
there people. I'm blocking about 300 infected emails a week. For the last
six months we have been pounded unbelievably with port attacks and infected
emails. I am spending at least 12 hours a week on network security.

Quick group survey:
How many Virus infected emails do you intercept in a week?
Have you had any non email attacks in recent weeks?
How many hours a week do you/your company spend on security?

If we get enough replies to this I'll compile it into a report that the
group can use to sell their management on security improvements.

Shirley
_____

From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217


I could add bunches of clues to this. I have been getting this for a couple
of weeks.
All trace to the same IP. I have been directly deleting them using Norton
for the last several days (got sick of reading the messages with the
attachment removed by Norton.
If I am not mistaken this is the mail server of someone that is infected.
Shame on me, but I scanned the ports on the server (in an attempt to
identify anything about the offending machine) about a week ago and only
found 25 and 110 open indicating a likely mail server.

A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt enter...
ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network are
scanned.

Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217



Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback messages
from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of
names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected
content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one
was epicor@ .

A typical message is:
fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance,
contact your system administrator.
< bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected,
id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>

Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the
sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a
rejection message is not worth doing.

But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for a
possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the group
has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as
Vantage group names.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address 24.46.0.217


All,

I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217

The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
you might want to do a virus scan.


HTH,

Paul


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Just a Cynic's Point of View -

No wonder our pilots were shot down with our own Patriot Missiles. The new
patch probably wasn't in the "database"

There is something about making things so complex that they cease to
function.


Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217


>
> "No one program protects completely, you have to layer your Defenses"
>
> Admittedly, this won't help you with spam but here is a quote from the US
> Army worth considering...
>
> "Process Authentication is a resource efficient, Host Intrusion Prevention
> product, that integrates with the Operating System and runs at the system
> level. It runs several low-level system services that intercept system
calls
> to the Windows kernel and monitors for new executable code requesting
> processor time. When a system call requests processor time for executable
> code, it verifies whether the executable is in the authentication
database.
> If so, it verifies by path, file size, and file name. If the executable is
> not in the database, the call is denied and never reaches the Kernel. This
> all takes place within milliseconds making it unnoticeable to the user.
>
> Running at the system level and intercepting system calls to the Windows
> Kernel for the purpose of authenticating executable code ensures that
> nothing can bypass the Operating System or Process Authentication and
> execute. Even if an administrator tries to execute something that has not
> been authenticated, it will not run. Even if "user policies" are hacked,
> Process Authentication will continue protection. This is the only tool
> available to provide a static controllable environment while at the same
> time giving a very clear picture of what is running within the network.
>
> When Process Authentication is first installed, it scans each machines'
hard
> drives for every type of executable and places them into a local
> authentication database. After installation, authentication of new
> executables and software packages are performed using simple wizards. The
> Server is used to centrally manage the client machines for authentication
of
> updates, patches, and new software rollouts. If the Server should go down,
> each PC will still be able to function. Authentication of new executables
> can be performed at each local PC or centrally from the Server.
>
> If an executable is not in the authentication database or if any
attributes
> change, it will not run. Various forms of executables such as Viruses,
> Trojans, Worms, and valid software can be placed on a computers hard
drive;
> however, the code will never execute or harm the computer. Process
> Authentication can prevent all types of code from running including known
> and unknown threats that Anti-Virus software would miss or not know of
yet.
> Process Authentication also protects against programs that Windows
policies
> cannot enforce, such as programs that do not affect the registry.
>
> Process Authentication is another layer of security when compared to
> Anti-Virus software, firewalls, or Intrusion Detection systems. It does
not
> use signatures or patterns to detect malicious code; therefore, it cannot
> inform the user whether the unauthorized code is malicious or friendly. It
> can only verify if the program is allowed to execute and enforce denial of
> execution with the highest power of the Windows Operating System."
>
> Ok, its a bit wordy but I'm sure you will get the point. 0 viruses, 0
worms,
> 0 spyware, 0 adware, 0 games, 0 streaming crap...etc.
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:36 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
> 24.46.0.217
>
>
> Visual Route, traces the IP to the South Western Ohio area (Cincinnati).
I
> posted a message on a similar topic earlier this week and didn't get a
> response.
>
> No one program protects completely, you have to layer your
> Defenses Start out with a good hardware firewall, then whatever email
> Server you are using also has email scanning and have it scan all traffic.
> Then a good server antivirus that scans file traffic (Trend is good, so is
> Panda),This is just on the server side. As you move to the workstations
> that connect to the internet I use, in combination, (The Cleaner, Peer
> Guardian, Pest Patrol, and workstation versions of Trend or Panda). On
top
> of all this you have to constantly monitor user traffic and remind users
> over and over and over "DON'T CLICK ON EMAILS". I also collect all the
spam
> and adjust mail filters daily. I have a list of about 10,000 spam domains
> block, a cross reference list of countries and IP address blocks Peer
> Guardian gives you about 94,000,000 blocked IP addresses. I block whole
> countries if the roar of spam and infected emails gets too loud from a
given
> nation. All of this is no guarantee of security, it's getting bad out
> there people. I'm blocking about 300 infected emails a week. For the
last
> six months we have been pounded unbelievably with port attacks and
infected
> emails. I am spending at least 12 hours a week on network security.
>
> Quick group survey:
> How many Virus infected emails do you intercept in a week?
> Have you had any non email attacks in recent weeks?
> How many hours a week do you/your company spend on security?
>
> If we get enough replies to this I'll compile it into a report that the
> group can use to sell their management on security improvements.
>
> Shirley
> _____
>
> From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
> 24.46.0.217
>
>
> I could add bunches of clues to this. I have been getting this for a
couple
> of weeks.
> All trace to the same IP. I have been directly deleting them using Norton
> for the last several days (got sick of reading the messages with the
> attachment removed by Norton.
> If I am not mistaken this is the mail server of someone that is infected.
> Shame on me, but I scanned the ports on the server (in an attempt to
> identify anything about the offending machine) about a week ago and only
> found 25 and 110 open indicating a likely mail server.
>
> A simple test for anyone on the list would be to look at the account
> settings in your mail for the mail server. Then from a dos prompt
enter...
> ping (input your mail server name here). It will return the IP address of
> your mail server and if it matches, make sure your computer and network
are
> scanned.
>
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:26 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
> 24.46.0.217
>
>
>
> Interesting too in that over the past two days I've had bounceback
messages
> from an email outfit called manchester.com with many (hundreds) of
> names@... which that server seems to think I sent infected
> content too. Many of the names are Vantage group members and at least one
> was epicor@ .
>
> A typical message is:
> fn04@... on 12/10/2004 7:50 AM
> You do not have permission to send to this recipient. For assistance,
> contact your system administrator.
> < bump.manchester.com #5.7.1 smtp; 550 5.7.1 Message content rejected,
> id=31032-10 - BANNED: .exe>
>
> Of course the true originating sender (or the virus rather) spoofed the
> sender part and used my address - one reason sending the supposed sender a
> rejection message is not worth doing.
>
> But I was wondering if this manchester.com part is an additional clue for
a
> possible group member who has an infected PC. Perhaps someone in the
group
> has a personal email account with them that is in the same address book as
> Vantage group names.
>
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] You might have a virus, check your IP address
24.46.0.217
>
>
> All,
>
> I am getting some viruses attached to e-mails masquerading to be from
> Epicor. I suspect they are from someone in this group. I did a trace
> and came up with the sender's IP address: 24.46.0.217
>
> The block is owned by Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) If this is
> your ISP, check your IP address, if it's anywhere close to the one above
> you might want to do a virus scan.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Paul
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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