Spec'ing out a new server

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I am using a Dell PE 6500 with Dual 700MHz processors and 4GB RAM with
an 8 disk SCSI RAID 10 with 10K disks for my test environment server and
it is an absolute dog. Slow, slow slow. Running client locally (on the
server)is unbearable, running it from a workstation is better. Clients
freeze frequently but to be fair I haven't been able to pin that down
yet. It might be a data issue. To make matters worse as far as spec'ing
a server, I just got the hardware requirements for V8.03 and they have
increased from the V8.00 requirements document. In other words, skimp a
little today when buying your server and a year down the road it may not
be adequate (meet the minimums) to run the then current Vantage release.

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



Hmmmmmm,

If you use a P2000 with 512 meg RAM and 1 x 7,200 rpm hard drive ... say
an
older destop.

When performance is a bit doggy it will help you sell the idea that you
will
need a decent server when you go live.



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Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

Almost a Catch-22 sort of deal...can't get production server until I
prove
things out on a "cheap" server. When I go to the well for the production
server it the proposal wil be loaded with everything under the sun...new
tape drives, NAS, SAN, server like Erik proposed and maybe some upgraded
net
switches. One chance is all I will get to get it all right, and then
only
after test server has proven the benefits of upgrading. I expect to take
about a year for trials and conversions before buying the ultimate
setup.

If you mean virtual on current server...not a chance. Only 550Mhz proc
with
1GB RAM and only a couple gig free disk (DB is 1.5GB) running Win2K
Server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

Todd,

If you're really trying to appease the cost mavens and you are only
going to
have a small handful of users on the test system at any given time, you
could run your test system in a virtual on the production server and
simply
cut it over to native when you go into production.

Regards,

Michael

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[mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

A twist on this topic....
I got asked today to plan on setting up a test/conversion server for
evaluating. Plan is to use it to test drive V8 and start converting RB
to
Cryatal XI or Dashboard Queries. Probably not ever have more than 3-4
users
trying things out. When we buy the "real" production server this server
would become something else...probably a web server.

What are some of you others using (or have used) for this purpose? I
need to
keep the cost relatively low so where can I get away with scrimping?
Would a
single CPU, moderate (2GB) memory on SATA disks type server be OK?

Thanks,
-Todd C.

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I'm doing all my developement on a dual PIII 1Ghz 256 cache with 4Gb
of ram running W2K3 4 18Gb drives in Raid 10. Database size is around
half a gig with 35K parts. I just put 803 along side 800 and it runs
just fine for me.... MRP processes in about an hour.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Hofert" <todd@...> wrote:
>
> I am using a Dell PE 6500 with Dual 700MHz processors and 4GB RAM
with
> an 8 disk SCSI RAID 10 with 10K disks for my test environment
server and
> it is an absolute dog. Slow, slow slow. Running client locally (on
the
> server)is unbearable, running it from a workstation is better.
Clients
> freeze frequently but to be fair I haven't been able to pin that
down
> yet. It might be a data issue. To make matters worse as far as
spec'ing
> a server, I just got the hardware requirements for V8.03 and they
have
> increased from the V8.00 requirements document. In other words,
skimp a
> little today when buying your server and a year down the road it
may not
> be adequate (meet the minimums) to run the then current Vantage
release.
>
> Todd
>
> ________________________________
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I forgot to add 4GB database.

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Sent: Thu 9/14/2006 7:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



I'm doing all my developement on a dual PIII 1Ghz 256 cache with 4Gb
of ram running W2K3 4 18Gb drives in Raid 10. Database size is around
half a gig with 35K parts. I just put 803 along side 800 and it runs
just fine for me.... MRP processes in about an hour.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Todd Hofert" <todd@...> wrote:
>
> I am using a Dell PE 6500 with Dual 700MHz processors and 4GB RAM
with
> an 8 disk SCSI RAID 10 with 10K disks for my test environment
server and
> it is an absolute dog. Slow, slow slow. Running client locally (on
the
> server)is unbearable, running it from a workstation is better.
Clients
> freeze frequently but to be fair I haven't been able to pin that
down
> yet. It might be a data issue. To make matters worse as far as
spec'ing
> a server, I just got the hardware requirements for V8.03 and they
have
> increased from the V8.00 requirements document. In other words,
skimp a
> little today when buying your server and a year down the road it
may not
> be adequate (meet the minimums) to run the then current Vantage
release.
>
> Todd
>
> ________________________________






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Has anyone looked at processor count, dual vs. quad? I recall a thread
years ago indicating that Progress or NT would not take advantage of
quad processors. Does anyone have the skinny on that info and if so what
the benefits might be?



Keith





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Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



Take a look at a Dell 2900 server.

I'd suggest buying the optional split backplane kit and use 4 hard
drives.

The split backplane kit takes the 8 drive bays and converts them to 2
racks
of 4 with each rack having it's own RAID controller.

Put 2 drives on top and 2 on the bottom - mirror both sets.

Add in 4 gig of RAM

Use 15,000rpm drives

Setup this server as a stand alone server on your network away from your
AD
server.








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My initial SWAG budget that I was telling mgmt. was $16,000 two years ago. I have lately been telling people $20-25K so if I keep if under $20K I will still look sufficiently thrifty. I agree, for the benefits (yet to be documented) this is a pittance and given that by the time we convert the existing system will be 7 years old the real hardware costs are a non-issue...except in the minds of the CEO and CFO. They would not bat an eye at buying more stamping presses or CNC mills though for $100K+ a pop. When I totaled up the savings we've seen using Vantage since the initial investment it came out we have paid for the whole initial investment once every six months for the past six years (a bit slower payback if you factor in maintenance and ongoing costs - like only once a year). Considering we are 50% larger than in 2000 with 30% fewer office staff it's pretty amazing. With 8.0 I am shooting for getting to 100% growth over 2000 levels on the current staff level.

On workstations I have been enriching the pool as I go lately getting 16 HP AMD Athlon 64 machines with 2.8Ghz/1GB with XP-Pro for plant & QA people at a rate of 2-3 a month. I am worried I will need to up memory to 2GB as the client requirements (real world NOT minimum spec) seem to be a moving target. Two years ago I enriched the office (based on notes from Perspectives) and none of these are now adequate for 8.0's latest requirements.

Thanks to all for the test server ideas.

-Todd C.



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RSN
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



Todd, are you privy to the total investment for the ERP budget for your project. Have they/you factored in maintenance and upgrade costs for the 3 years and perhaps done a cost analysis to show the bean-counters /mgmt the drop in the bucket on investment over 3 years-souped up server /backup/tape drivesetup+a new switch with more than what we needed ran us $17,000.00-over 3 years that comes out to like....?????? per year.....
Hope you've also factored in workstation upgrades for RAM and O/S- its good to have everyone on XP and at least 760MB (nominal-ideal is 1GB) to run the very obese client.
Regards
RSN

Todd Caughey < caugheyt@harveyvoge <mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> l.com> wrote:
Almost a Catch-22 sort of deal...can't get production server until I prove things out on a "cheap" server. When I go to the well for the production server it the proposal wil be loaded with everything under the sun...new tape drives, NAS, SAN, server like Erik proposed and maybe some upgraded net switches. One chance is all I will get to get it all right, and then only after test server has proven the benefits of upgrading. I expect to take about a year for trials and conversions before buying the ultimate setup.

If you mean virtual on current server...not a chance. Only 550Mhz proc with 1GB RAM and only a couple gig free disk (DB is 1.5GB) running Win2K Server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

Todd,

If you're really trying to appease the cost mavens and you are only going to
have a small handful of users on the test system at any given time, you
could run your test system in a virtual on the production server and simply
cut it over to native when you go into production.

Regards,

Michael

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From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: Spam RE:[Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

A twist on this topic....
I got asked today to plan on setting up a test/conversion server for
evaluating. Plan is to use it to test drive V8 and start converting RB to
Cryatal XI or Dashboard Queries. Probably not ever have more than 3-4 users
trying things out. When we buy the "real" production server this server
would become something else...probably a web server.

What are some of you others using (or have used) for this purpose? I need to
keep the cost relatively low so where can I get away with scrimping? Would a
single CPU, moderate (2GB) memory on SATA disks type server be OK?

Thanks,
-Todd C.

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Erik
I know this is way late, as I've been moving a building of people to
a new location. Two words "Don't Skimp !!!" This server has got to last
you. If you are doing a 2 dive mirror. Get a third drive and set it up
as a hot spare (automatically kicks in if one the the two dies). 15k
Drives - don't think of anything less. Double your ram and you can load
your whole db into ram for fast lookups.

Cliff

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Erik S
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



We are in the process of buying a new server to run 8.0 and beyond.
Right now we have 35 office clients and 4 data collection on the shop
floor. I'm looking at a HP DL360 G5 with two dual core Xeon 3.0 Ghz
processors, 4GB RAM and two 72GB 10K rpm SAS hard drives...plus
redundant fans, power supplies and DVD-R.

The network is all gigabit, as are the clients. Client minumim is a
2.8Ghz P4 with 512 Ram, most are 3.0 Ghz P4's with 1GB ram and 80Gb
hard drives.

Anyone else running with a similar number of users on 8.0, what kinda
of hardware are you using?

Anyone using Terminal Server clients for data collection or offsite
clients?

Thanks!

- Erik






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Did you know that the new 10K SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) drives are far faster than the 15K traditional SCSI drives we are all used to? The data path is a full 3.0 Gbps vs. the limited Ultra SCSI 3 data rate of 320 Mbps. SAS also has a much smaller form factor, uses less power, has greater cable length capabilities, scalability (up to 128 drives vs SCSI 15 disk limit), SAS dual port disk drives can connect to more than one host controller eliminating single point of failure. Now I am off my original point which was to point out that the type of SCSI plays a more important role in speed and reliability than the speed of the disk.

As for number of disks, disks are relatively cheap in the grand scheme of things. Why not add a fourth disk and do a RAID 10. RAID 10 offers high performance AND high fault tolerance. You can lose multiple disks in a RAID 10 without loss of service or data. For a couple hundred dollars your data will have higher performance and availability than either a two disk or three disk configuration.

RAM, I agree. Load up on RAM.

OK, I am bored on a Friday night...poor Todd

Todd

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Sent: Fri 9/22/2006 6:39 PM
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Erik
I know this is way late, as I've been moving a building of people to
a new location. Two words "Don't Skimp !!!" This server has got to last
you. If you are doing a 2 dive mirror. Get a third drive and set it up
as a hot spare (automatically kicks in if one the the two dies). 15k
Drives - don't think of anything less. Double your ram and you can load
your whole db into ram for fast lookups.

Cliff

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Erik S
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

We are in the process of buying a new server to run 8.0 and beyond.
Right now we have 35 office clients and 4 data collection on the shop
floor. I'm looking at a HP DL360 G5 with two dual core Xeon 3.0 Ghz
processors, 4GB RAM and two 72GB 10K rpm SAS hard drives...plus
redundant fans, power supplies and DVD-R.

The network is all gigabit, as are the clients. Client minumim is a
2.8Ghz P4 with 512 Ram, most are 3.0 Ghz P4's with 1GB ram and 80Gb
hard drives.

Anyone else running with a similar number of users on 8.0, what kinda
of hardware are you using?

Anyone using Terminal Server clients for data collection or offsite
clients?

Thanks!

- Erik

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We are implementing 8.03 currently. Our clients connect solely via Terminal
Services (with 3-4 exceptions). We've got about 50 clients in the office and
30 (5-10 concurrent) remote technicians. We're running two servers very
similar to yours. They're DL385 with the Opteron chips and 6gb RAM. Each
server has 4 150gb drives in raid 10. One server handles the Terminal Server
and the other handles all the Vantage/Progress.

We've only put about 30 clients on concurrently so far, but we've had no
problems. Looks like there should be plenty of headroom on the servers even
after we pring everyone online. The only thing I might suggest doing
differently would be the RAM. Get as much RAM as your hardware/budget
allows; it will go along way in helping you get the most out of your
terminal server. We've had such good experience with it that we've decided
to move all our users onto it to simplify administration.
~John


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What version of Windows are you running on the Terminal Server, 2003 Server
or Enterprise?

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7 Trade Park Drive, Tullamarine Vic 3043
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Waffqle Driggers
Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2006 2:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

We are implementing 8.03 currently. Our clients connect solely via Terminal
Services (with 3-4 exceptions). We've got about 50 clients in the office and
30 (5-10 concurrent) remote technicians. We're running two servers very
similar to yours. They're DL385 with the Opteron chips and 6gb RAM. Each
server has 4 150gb drives in raid 10. One server handles the Terminal Server
and the other handles all the Vantage/Progress.

We've only put about 30 clients on concurrently so far, but we've had no
problems. Looks like there should be plenty of headroom on the servers even
after we pring everyone online. The only thing I might suggest doing
differently would be the RAM. Get as much RAM as your hardware/budget
allows; it will go along way in helping you get the most out of your
terminal server. We've had such good experience with it that we've decided
to move all our users onto it to simplify administration.
~John
30
You need Enterprise to address more than 4GB of RAM.

Todd

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Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 7:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



What version of Windows are you running on the Terminal Server, 2003 Server
or Enterprise?

John Walter | National IS Advisor | Hufcor Pty Ltd
7 Trade Park Drive, Tullamarine Vic 3043
Phone +61 3 9330 3733 | Fax +61 3 9338 9015
Email john.w@... <mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au>
www.hufcor.com.au

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Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2006 2:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

We are implementing 8.03 currently. Our clients connect solely via Terminal
Services (with 3-4 exceptions). We've got about 50 clients in the office and
30 (5-10 concurrent) remote technicians. We're running two servers very
similar to yours. They're DL385 with the Opteron chips and 6gb RAM. Each
server has 4 150gb drives in raid 10. One server handles the Terminal Server
and the other handles all the Vantage/Progress.

We've only put about 30 clients on concurrently so far, but we've had no
problems. Looks like there should be plenty of headroom on the servers even
after we pring everyone online. The only thing I might suggest doing
differently would be the RAM. Get as much RAM as your hardware/budget
allows; it will go along way in helping you get the most out of your
terminal server. We've had such good experience with it that we've decided
to move all our users onto it to simplify administration.
~John






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Unless you have 64bit windows 2003 (standard can address 32GB)

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/standard.mspx



Stephen

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From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: 27 September 2006 01:24
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server



You need Enterprise to address more than 4GB of RAM.

Todd

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behalf of John Walter
Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 7:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

What version of Windows are you running on the Terminal Server, 2003
Server
or Enterprise?

John Walter | National IS Advisor | Hufcor Pty Ltd
7 Trade Park Drive, Tullamarine Vic 3043
Phone +61 3 9330 3733 | Fax +61 3 9338 9015
Email john.w@... <mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au>
<mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au>
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Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2006 2:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

We are implementing 8.03 currently. Our clients connect solely via
Terminal
Services (with 3-4 exceptions). We've got about 50 clients in the office
and
30 (5-10 concurrent) remote technicians. We're running two servers very
similar to yours. They're DL385 with the Opteron chips and 6gb RAM. Each
server has 4 150gb drives in raid 10. One server handles the Terminal
Server
and the other handles all the Vantage/Progress.

We've only put about 30 clients on concurrently so far, but we've had no
problems. Looks like there should be plenty of headroom on the servers
even
after we pring everyone online. The only thing I might suggest doing
differently would be the RAM. Get as much RAM as your hardware/budget
allows; it will go along way in helping you get the most out of your
terminal server. We've had such good experience with it that we've
decided
to move all our users onto it to simplify administration.
~John

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Good point.

I thought I read here some where that Vantage couldn't run on 64 bit yet. Can any one verify that? Can Vantage run on 64 bit server? What about client?

Todd

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Sent: Tue 9/26/2006 8:56 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
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Unless you have 64bit windows 2003 (standard can address 32GB)

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/standard.mspx <http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/standard.mspx>

Stephen

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Sent: 27 September 2006 01:24
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

You need Enterprise to address more than 4GB of RAM.

Todd

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behalf of John Walter
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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

What version of Windows are you running on the Terminal Server, 2003
Server
or Enterprise?

John Walter | National IS Advisor | Hufcor Pty Ltd
7 Trade Park Drive, Tullamarine Vic 3043
Phone +61 3 9330 3733 | Fax +61 3 9338 9015
Email john.w@... <mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au> <mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au>
<mailto:john.w%40hufcor.com.au>
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Waffqle Driggers
Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2006 2:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spec'ing out a new server

We are implementing 8.03 currently. Our clients connect solely via
Terminal
Services (with 3-4 exceptions). We've got about 50 clients in the office
and
30 (5-10 concurrent) remote technicians. We're running two servers very
similar to yours. They're DL385 with the Opteron chips and 6gb RAM. Each
server has 4 150gb drives in raid 10. One server handles the Terminal
Server
and the other handles all the Vantage/Progress.

We've only put about 30 clients on concurrently so far, but we've had no
problems. Looks like there should be plenty of headroom on the servers
even
after we pring everyone online. The only thing I might suggest doing
differently would be the RAM. Get as much RAM as your hardware/budget
allows; it will go along way in helping you get the most out of your
terminal server. We've had such good experience with it that we've
decided
to move all our users onto it to simplify administration.
~John

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