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Sure Mike .. Just as soon as I find new employment. :-}

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kahle [mailto:geopoliticus@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:45 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

Shirley wrote: "We really don't [...]"

I can help you with that. Just send me a list of the 10 inet users and
their email addresses. ;-)

-Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:40 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We really don't, I honestly believe that the difference is that our
domain
name is setup as ".org" instead of the usual .com .net or what ever.
We
get about 20 pieces a month and 90% of that is OPT IN stuff. (That 20
pieces
a month covers all 10 internet users. I get blasted by our users
regularly
because of the .org choice but that's the only difference I can see.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc




-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

How is that possible that you don't get any spam?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix
email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also
maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we
don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and
executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting
anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax
for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at
them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often
among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden
one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate
Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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2
We currently use exchange 5.5 along with outlook 2000 and wanted to
know if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or
free shareware we can use in conjunction with our exchange to filter
some of the unwanted spam e-mails?

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...
3
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Phone: 888-875-0833
Fax: 517-542-2427
http://www.livoniatool.com <http://www.livoniatool.com/>
Email: robert@...

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus [mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We currently use exchange 5.5 along with outlook 2000 and wanted to
know if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or
free shareware we can use in conjunction with our exchange to filter
some of the unwanted spam e-mails?

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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4
Not easy to roll out but free as long as you already have Outlook....you could setup some Inbox rules wizards and export them to .RWZ files that everyone could import and use. This has the advantage of alowing users to double check their own quarantine folder just in case of a false positive.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus [mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We currently use exchange 5.5 along with outlook 2000 and wanted to
know if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or
free shareware we can use in conjunction with our exchange to filter
some of the unwanted spam e-mails?

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



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5
SpamBayes is the best I've found, although it is for the client (Outlook).
At least 98% accurate and it's F R E E . Just do a search for SpamBayes
I'd like to find something as good for Exchange Server.

Here's an article I found about SpamBayes.

Bob Bruton
Entek Corp






SpamBayes knows spam
Outlook add-in really works to block spam, and it's free





By <mailto:jon_udell@...> Jon Udell

May 16, 2003











Thomas Bayes, a Presbyterian minister and mathematician born just over 300
years ago, would be shocked to see most of the e-mail messages that bid for
our attention nowadays. He would be thrilled to know, however, that his
statistical inference theorem has inspired a potent counterattack. An open
source project called <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/> SpamBayes has
emerged as a powerful weapon in the war on spam. There are a few different
implementations of SpamBayes. I'll focus here on an Outlook add-in, written
by renowned Python hacker Mark Hammond. I've been skeptical about the
long-term prospects for content-based e-mail filtering. But the Python-based
SpamBayes engine, and Hammond's brilliant add-in (also written in Python),
are rapidly making me a believer.

Several e-mail programs, including the Mail program bundled with Mac OS X,
use Bayesian techniques to enable users to train their systems to
distinguish between spam and nonspam (aka ham). Experts debate how the term
Bayesian is relevant to this game of classification, but the core ideas in
Paul Graham's influential 2001 paper, <http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html>
"A Plan for Spam," make sense intuitively. Every message bears evidence both
for and against the hypothesis that it is spam. Your disposition of every
message tests both hypotheses and systematically improves the filter's
ability to separate spam from ham.

As Graham pointed out, the judgments involved are highly individual. For
example, the commercial e-mail that I want to receive (or reject) will
differ from the ones you want (and don't want) according to our interests
and tastes. A filter that works on behalf of a large group, such as
SpamAssassin, which checks and often rewrites my infoworld.com mail, or
CloudMark's SpamNet (formerly Vipul's Razor), which collaboratively builds a
database of spam signatures, will typically agree with SpamBayes on what I
call the Supreme Court definition of spam: You know it when you see it. What
sets SpamBayes apart is its ability to learn, by observing your behavior,
which messages you do want to see, and the ones you don't.

Arming Outlook

If you use Outlook 2000 or Outlook XP, it's easy -- and free -- to give the
SpamBayes Outlook add-in a whirl. If you already have Python installed, you
can acquire the source and set up SpamBayes and the add-in according to the
usual conventions for open source packages. I did that, but because I'm well
aware that typical Outlook users don't have Python installed and won't want
to deal with an open source-style installation, I also tested the binary
installer available at
<http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes/> Starship Python. It
worked beautifully, installing SpamBayes plus the subset of the Python
needed to run it.

SpamBayes appears as a toolbar item called Anti-Spam. To use the add-in
effectively, you'll need to point it to a pile of ham. These messages may
simply be the contents of your inbox if you keep it squeaky clean. But they
can also live in other folders. That's great news, because I use Outlook's
filters aggressively to route messages from known correspondents to folders.


You'll also need to point SpamBayes to a big pile of spam. In my case, that
folder was called NotToMe, where an Outlook filter has long been
accumulating messages that are neither To: nor CC: my primary e-mail
addresses. This simple rule is so effective at filtering spam that it was my
sole defense until InfoWorld installed SpamAssassin a few months ago. But
lately, as I'm sure you've noticed, the volume of spam has exploded. Even
with SpamAssassin, the hassle of plucking the few wanted messages from my
NotToMe folder, plus the growing amount of spam sent to my primary e-mail
addresses (and not caught by SpamAssassin), spurred me to take the next
step.

After you finish training, you designate another folder -- I called mine
MaybeSpam -- for dubious messages. This third category is an extra wrinkle
added by SpamBayes to the binary spam/ham technique spelled out in Paul
Graham's original paper. Messages can present conflicting evidence -- that
is, they score high (or low) for both ham and spam. In these cases,
SpamBayes asks you for a ruling.

So long, spam

Given this setup, you turn on filtering and observe over time. The add-in
runs inbound messages to your inbox (or other designated folders) through
the SpamBayes classifier. Then it routes what is certainly spam to the Spam
folder, and what might be spam to the MaybeSpam folder. All other messages
land in your inbox, or wherever your regular filters normally route them.
But every message gets tagged with a user-defined field that stores its
"spamminess" percentage. You can add this field to customized Outlook views
of your folders, and sort on it -- a useful way to gauge how well you've
trained the system.

When a wanted message lands in Spam or MaybeSpam, you use the Recover from
Spam button to restore it to its original folder, and train it as a good
message. Likewise, you use Delete As Spam to nuke an unwanted message that
lands in one of your "good" folders, and train it as a bad message.

Results, for me, were immediate and spectacular. SpamBayes nailed a number
of spams that SpamAssassin let through. SpamAssassin was fooled by a penis
enlargement ad in Spanish, for example, while SpamBayes nailed it. But other
catches involve subtler discrimination. It appears that SpamBayes really can
learn to distinguish between messages about legitimate products and services
that I care about, and messages about equally legitimate stuff that doesn't
matter to me. Can messages that are merely off-target really be defined as
spam? I won't quibble. Life is short. If software can make my computer act
like the intelligent assistant it's supposed to be, bring it on.

The real test, I suppose, will be in the months and years to come, as
SpamBayes succeeds or fails to adapt to my evolving interests and tastes.
Time may also reveal other interesting applications of SpamBayes; see the
discussion on my <http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2003/05/09.html>
Weblog.

Meanwhile, a minor miracle has occurred. I actually look forward to fetching
my e-mail. Scanning the many messages landing in Spam, and marking them as
read, is quick because there have so far been no -- I repeat, no -- false
positives. I haven't yet delegated ultimate power to my new assistant; I
still review its decisions. But my confidence grows daily, and I'm close to
routing the crap straight to the bit bucket where it belongs.





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6
Check out the SpamBayes free Outlook add in. It is wonderful and works
flawlessly.

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus [mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We currently use exchange 5.5 along with outlook 2000 and wanted to
know if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or
free shareware we can use in conjunction with our exchange to filter
some of the unwanted spam e-mails?

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
7
At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically
roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java
Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only
required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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8
It's not free, but the price for the software is reasonable, especially
since it can block email by Address, Content, attachments, and virus. It
has saved me big time.
Check out Antigen by www.sybari.com . It runs on the Exchange server.
Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus [mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We currently use exchange 5.5 along with outlook 2000 and wanted to
know if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or
free shareware we can use in conjunction with our exchange to filter
some of the unwanted spam e-mails?

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
9
Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix
email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also
maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we
don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and
executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting
anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax
for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at
them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often
among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden
one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate
Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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I am implementing a spam solution at my place of work that involves a
Debian/GNU <http://www.debian.org/> Linux based mail server running Exim
<http://www.exim.org/> /Procmail <http://www.procmail.org/> /SpamAssassin
<http://useast.spamassassin.org/index.html> . All free stuff you can
download and setup. I have nothing to report as far as the performance, but
from other members on the debian-user list they have reported excellent
results. This will be used as our filtering MTA. All mail will go to it,
the server will process the mail and then forward it onto our Exchange
server. I'll keep you posted about my progress...

-Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [ <mailto:wmc20@...> mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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How is that possible that you don't get any spam?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix
email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also
maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we
don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and
executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting
anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax
for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at
them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often
among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden
one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate
Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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12
We really don't, I honestly believe that the difference is that our
domain name is setup as ".org" instead of the usual .com .net or what
ever. We get about 20 pieces a month and 90% of that is OPT IN stuff.
(That 20 pieces a month covers all 10 internet users. I get blasted by
our users regularly because of the .org choice but that's the only
difference I can see.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc




-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

How is that possible that you don't get any spam?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix
email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also
maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we
don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and
executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting
anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax
for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at
them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often
among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden
one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate
Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:40 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We really don't, I honestly believe that the difference is that our
domain name is setup as ".org" instead of the usual .com .net or what
ever. We get about 20 pieces a month and 90% of that is OPT IN stuff.
(That 20 pieces a month covers all 10 internet users. I get blasted by
our users regularly because of the .org choice but that's the only
difference I can see.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc




-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

How is that possible that you don't get any spam?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix
email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also
maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we
don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and
executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting
anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax
for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at
them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often
among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden
one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate
Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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14
Shirley wrote: "We really don't [...]"

I can help you with that. Just send me a list of the 10 inet users and
their email addresses. ;-)

-Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:40 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


We really don't, I honestly believe that the difference is that our domain
name is setup as ".org" instead of the usual .com .net or what ever. We
get about 20 pieces a month and 90% of that is OPT IN stuff. (That 20 pieces
a month covers all 10 internet users. I get blasted by our users regularly
because of the .org choice but that's the only difference I can see.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc




-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

How is that possible that you don't get any spam?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Spam Filtering


Wish I could help on this but we don't get any spam.

Shirley Graver
Sys Admin
Rubber Associates Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmc20@... [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Spam Filtering

At 02:29 PM 9/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>...if anyone can suggest a cheap way to filter out incoming e-mail
based
>on keywords. I see how to block incoming e-mails from certain
recipients
>but not based on key works. Is there an add-on program or

Dunno about Exchange. We use Spam Cop www.spamcop.net with our unix email
server. Their FAQ says it can be used with Exchange. It's a *very*
effective and accurate dynamic blacklist of spam sources. I also maintain
a manual (and very Draconian) Reject List of IPs and domains that we don't
care to receive anything from.

If your address is already "polluted" this won't help, but I'd highly
suggest you get your email addresses off your web site (!!!) I've seen
countless sites with the entire company, or all the sales and executives'
addresses listed. Know what? The same way search engines automatically

roam the 'net indexing things, the spammers roam around collecting anything
that resembles an address. Try punching yours into Google and see how
widespread it is.

Ask your web developer. But there are ways to hide them, including Java

Script to dynamically generate them, or just use the &#x; HTML syntax for
Ascii encoding instead of clear-text on the malto URLs. Also, the only

required administrative address (RFC 2142) is postmaster@. The other
common ones, like sales@ info@ webmaster@ get tons of spam sprayed at them,
since the spammers know it will reach someone at 80% of sites (often among
your most expensive labor.) Ditch them and post a new alternate hidden one
on your site, like info2003@yourdomain.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant ... but I guess it is. I Hate Spammers!


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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