"Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"

I heard very similar things from our consultants. Yours are blowing smoke. Who are you using?



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-----Original Message-----

From: Jose Gomez [jose@…]

Received: Tuesday, 12 Nov 2013, 6:40

To: Vantage [vantage@yahoogroups.com]

Subject: Re: [Vantage] RE: "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"



 

My two cents? You need new consultants

On Nov 12, 2013 1:42 AM, <yclhk@...> wrote:
 

Do agree that there should be something wrong during the installation/setting stage, it was slow since the first launch without much BAQ, customization or BPM. But our consultant refused to help with reason "some of their customers are having slower Epicor than ours".

I believe Epicor isn't that bad, else it wouldn't be such a large business.

A lot of time was spent on it, there are some improvement, but not satisfactory, our consultant pop up last month and said that the performance issue is a known issue of Epicor and claimed that it will be fixed on further releases (and asked for a signature on maintenance contract, of course).

Our staff are getting used to it and stopped complaining.

*We purchased a $10k server to serve the 7+7 user Epicor




---In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <jgiese@...> wrote:

I can’t disagree. Speaking from experience I knew nothing about Epicor or how to install it and we had a terrible time. With some outside help and some further education (and some better hardware) we have had great stability with Epicor 9.

 

My top 5 mistakes that made my Epicor install unstable.

1.       Poor hardware.  Put Epicor on spindle drives and you’re going to have a bad time. We only met their minimum for 9.05.600

2.       Poor pf configuration. For the available resources the values in our pf file were not optimal

3.       DB index. We were not indexing at all or rebuilding

4.       Not restarting the AppServers on a regular basis. We do this weekly because we can, but even bi-weekly would be sufficient.

5.       Terrible BAQs. Don’t forget “company” when doing links or your dashboards and BAQ reports will be a nightmare.

 

Joshua Giese

CIO

920.437.6400 Ext. 337

Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64

Wisconsin Converting, Inc.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:54 AM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] RE: "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"

 

 

No offense but I have ran Vantage 8, and 9 (all flavors) and Performance isn't stellar but is not by any means unusable and in terms of "instability" I think that's more an internal issue than an epicor issue. Like I said I've ran countless installs of Epicor from vesion 8 to verision 9.05.702A and none are unstable...

Instability comes when someone without proper knowledge starts making changes, modifications and or you have someone do the install that doesn't really know what they are doing.

 

 



Jose C Gomez

Software Engineer

 


T: 904.469.1524 mobile


Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

 

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:21 AM, <yclhk@...> wrote:

 

I'm feeling good hearing "E9 is a sucky release", which means Epicor shouldn't be that bad as experienced

 

We got Epicor in live for about a year, and are in severe pain with the performance and instability, hope E10 do improve the performance as they claimed



---In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <don.n.doan@...> wrote:

 I attended the Chicago Summits meeting yesterday.  They said 905.703 will be out later this year and E10 will be out next year and that they're following their normal release schedule.  For those that are on 8.03 they suggested upgrading to 905 without waiting for E10.  Supposedly the upgrade from 905 to E10 will be a "magical upgrade button".  So its supposed to be a very easy transition from 9 to 10(I would assume without customizations though).  

 

They talked about a few things with E10 but were concentrating on current versions and support improvements so I didn't really get any useful information on it.

 

I know that once it's released i'll be one of the first to throw it on our test server just to see how easy it truly is... and see what breaks.

 

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Since people are weighing in and agreeing with Joe E's comment below, I have to weigh in and agree with  Jose in beating his dead horse:   700 customizations!?!  Maybe you are defining a customization as anything that is done (reports, process, whatever) different than out of box, but if that is honestly 700 customized screens, you should have just written your own ERP from scratch! (Or, better yet, have someone put on the analyst hat and change some of your processes, like Jose implied). Or, since you'll probably never want to move to another version, just customize the program to fix the bug yourself! (Okay, that was just a joke).

 


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Manasa,

Did I write something that was out of line?

Epicor has been my working life for about three years now and it’s been frustrating.  We have about 700 customizations.  When Jose wrote his piece in mild support of Epicor I felt compelled to reply with what my expectations are and experiences have been.  Frankly, I’m just amazed sometimes that Epicor has champions here. 

We’ve been live for just over a year and it is running our business so, it’s doing something right.  It’s just been such a struggle and disappointment to work with that it’s hard to go along with a cheer, tepid as it was.

Joe

 

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

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I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

Epicor has not formally indicated that progress is gone gone for sure. In the event that they did get rid of progress all together, we would be looking at some fundamental framework changes that opens a door for a whole new mess of issues.  They would have had to convert all of those .p server files to some form of C# which without a doubt leave huge opportunity for new issues of a different nature.  Moving to E10 at GA, unless you’re a new customer, would be a naive mistake. Getting it installed on a test server ASAP at GA and get the ball rolling and get issues reported right away would be the safest route and waiting for 10 to go a few service packs deep first.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

Trust me...progress is GONE! I know for sure...

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:47 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

Epicor has not formally indicated that progress is gone gone for sure. In the event that they did get rid of progress all together, we would be looking at some fundamental framework changes that opens a door for a whole new mess of issues.  They would have had to convert all of those .p server files to some form of C# which without a doubt leave huge opportunity for new issues of a different nature.  Moving to E10 at GA, unless you’re a new customer, would be a naive mistake. Getting it installed on a test server ASAP at GA and get the ball rolling and get issues reported right away would be the safest route and waiting for 10 to go a few service packs deep first.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

If history repeats,  I think 702 is the cutoff point for 9.05 with E10 nearing release,  so don’t hold your breath for 703.

 

Patrick Winter

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 18:09
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.

Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.

 

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

 

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

 

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

 

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 




What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.




I agree. One of the worst things a programmer can become is a language bigot. I am on my 8th or 9th language and I expect C# won't be my last. In my experience all languages do some things well, other things poorly and most things OK. C# and Progress are no different.

Jim Kinneman
Encompass Solutions, Inc.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:
>
> Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.
>
>
>
> I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for
> Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from
> people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact
> that there aren't a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the
> system.
>
>
>
> Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are
> so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the
> Epicor system that it never fully reaches it's potential.
>
>
>
> Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the
> lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.
>
>
>
> As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100%
> SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of
> the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in
> order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so
> that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is
> SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I'm
> sure as there are a ton of "It's fixed in 703 (e10)" responses given from
> support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there
> are going to be issues. I wouldn't expect going live on 10 would be smart
> for easily another year or so. That's a long time to sit back and wait.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and
> Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.
>
>
>
> I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.
> Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jose Gomez
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
> To: Vantage
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will
> launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month
>
> On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a
> service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month
> (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we
> went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in
> Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again
> with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable
> enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be
> my last ride on the merry-go-round!
>
> FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10
> is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.
>

 I've actually seen multiple times that E10 is listed as a release date of September.  I figured it would be postponed but I haven't seen anything since insights.  As far as issues with progress I feel like I haven't noticed too much.  I don't see the harm of concentrating on one type of database and language though.  I'm pretty sure at the conference they said it was going completely SQL/C# and during one of the performance sessions they also said this, although I don't think he wanted to be 100% committed to the statement.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <jckinneman@...> wrote:

I agree. One of the worst things a programmer can become is a language bigot. I am on my 8th or 9th language and I expect C# won't be my last. In my experience all languages do some things well, other things poorly and most things OK. C# and Progress are no different.

Jim Kinneman
Encompass Solutions, Inc.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:
>
> Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.
>
>
>
> I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for
> Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from
> people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact
> that there aren't a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the
> system.
>
>
>
> Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are
> so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the
> Epicor system that it never fully reaches it's potential.
>
>
>
> Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the
> lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.
>
>
>
> As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100%
> SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of
> the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in
> order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so
> that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is
> SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I'm
> sure as there are a ton of "It's fixed in 703 (e10)" responses given from
> support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there
> are going to be issues. I wouldn't expect going live on 10 would be smart
> for easily another year or so. That's a long time to sit back and wait.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and
> Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.
>
>
>
> I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.
> Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jose Gomez
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
> To: Vantage
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will
> launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month
>
> On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a
> service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month
> (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we
> went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in
> Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again
> with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable
> enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be
> my last ride on the merry-go-round!
>
> FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10
> is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.
>

 I've actually seen multiple times that E10 is listed as a release date of September.  I figured it would be postponed but I haven't seen anything since insights.  As far as issues with progress I feel like I haven't noticed too much.  I don't see the harm of concentrating on one type of database and language though.  I'm pretty sure at the conference they said it was going completely SQL/C# and during one of the performance sessions they also said this, although I don't think he wanted to be 100% committed to the statement.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <jckinneman@...> wrote:

I agree. One of the worst things a programmer can become is a language bigot. I am on my 8th or 9th language and I expect C# won't be my last. In my experience all languages do some things well, other things poorly and most things OK. C# and Progress are no different.

Jim Kinneman
Encompass Solutions, Inc.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:
>
> Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.
>
>
>
> I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for
> Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from
> people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact
> that there aren't a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the
> system.
>
>
>
> Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are
> so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the
> Epicor system that it never fully reaches it's potential.
>
>
>
> Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the
> lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.
>
>
>
> As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100%
> SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of
> the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in
> order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so
> that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is
> SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I'm
> sure as there are a ton of "It's fixed in 703 (e10)" responses given from
> support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there
> are going to be issues. I wouldn't expect going live on 10 would be smart
> for easily another year or so. That's a long time to sit back and wait.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Gercar
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and
> Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.
>
>
>
> I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.
> Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jose Gomez
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
> To: Vantage
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10"
>
>
>
>
>
> Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will
> launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month
>
> On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a
> service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month
> (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we
> went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in
> Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again
> with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable
> enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be
> my last ride on the merry-go-round!
>
> FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10
> is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.
>
Epicor has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.
Â
I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.
I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

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  <p><div><p class="ygrps-yiv-853834392MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-853834392MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>Â <u></u></span></p>

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

Â

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

Â

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

Â

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

Â

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

Â




What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues".Â

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

Â

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues. I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so. That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

Â

Josh

Â

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

Â

Â

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9.Â

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

Â

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

Â

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases. Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

Â

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

Â

Â

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

Â

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.




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Well from my experience...and current issues…Progress is the problem.


I need to manually start open edge with a CMD prompt…. Yea… The services are not even there. Guess who made the services disappear? A tech from Epicor…

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scotty K.
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Epicor has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.

 

I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.

I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?

 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

 

Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.

 

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

 

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

 

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

 

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 



What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.



 

3 months.   That is what it takes for our database to go from a 3.5 scatter to 6.0.   Having to do a Dump and Load every 3 months is for the birds.   Please bring on SQL.  LOL

 

--Matt



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Epicor has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.
 
I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.
I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

 
<div>
  
  
  <div><p><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-size:11pt;">Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>Â&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

 

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

 

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

 

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 




What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.




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Im in need of a dump and load… does not look fun.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of matt@...
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

3 months.   That is what it takes for our database to go from a 3.5 scatter to 6.0.   Having to do a Dump and Load every 3 months is for the birds.   Please bring on SQL.  LOL

 

--Matt



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Epicor has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.

 

I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.

I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?

 

 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

 

Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.

 

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

 

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

 

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

 

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 



What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.



 

Anthony…as funny as that was…keep it clean…please.  J

 

M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 9:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Im in need of a dump and load… does not look fun.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of matt@...
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

3 months.   That is what it takes for our database to go from a 3.5 scatter to 6.0.   Having to do a Dump and Load every 3 months is for the birds.   Please bring on SQL.  LOL

 

--Matt



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Epicor has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.

 

I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.

I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?

 

 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

 

Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system.

 

I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.

 

Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.

 

Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.

 

As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 




What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.




 

Really?  SQL will always wins?  Ever tried to run SQL server on enterprise class hardware?  SQL Server suffers from Windows myopia but, hey, it looks really cool as a Windows Server 2012 metro app.  Besides, if you have a real problem with Progress, you can always run SQL Server now so what is the point?

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
 

On Sep 9, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Scotty K. <scottyk537@...> wrote:

 
<div id="ygrps-yiv-762565130ygrp-text"><div><br class="ygrps-yiv-762565130webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span>Epicor</span> has been working on E10 for at least a couple years and even demoing new features at Insights 2012. They have had plenty of time to rewrite all the code to release by the end of this month, however I believe they are still testing.</div>
 
I agree that the Progress layer is not causing any of the major issues with E9, but it's not helping. It's pointless comapring SQL to Progress because SQL will always win.
I can list 1000+ reasons why, but only have to point out one. Have anyone ever had to perform a "Dump and Load" on a SQL database?


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Ned <TechnoBabbly@...> wrote:

 
<div><div><br class="ygrps-yiv-762565130webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Progress is not the cause of any major programming issues in the system. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">I have never quite understood the severe distaste that so many have for Progress and OpenEdge. My general assumption is that the distaste comes from people not taking the time or effort to understand the system, or the fact that there aren’t a whole bunch of fancy GUI interfaces to use with the system.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Progress makes a great product with OpenEdge, the problem is that there are so few of its capabilities taken advantage of in the implementation of the Epicor system that it never fully reaches it’s potential.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">Saying that Progress is at fault or the cause of the problems is along the lines of blaming Budweiser or Ford for the drunk driver.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;">As a side note though, I highly highly highly doubt that they have a 100% SQL version of Epicor even close to being able to be released at the end of the month, I am pretty sure it would require a complete code rewrite in order to accomplish that, unless they have some sort of automated tool to so that, and in that case, I would trust it even less.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;"><p class="ygrps-yiv-762565130MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com">vantage@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com">vantage@yahoogroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Gercar<br>

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:15 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 




What's one of the current major issues caused from? Answer=progress. E10 is  SQL only... That alone fixes the majority of "known issues". 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:10 PM, "Joshua Giese" <jgiese@...> wrote:

 

I would greatly disagree with the previous statement. E10 will be great I’m sure as there are a ton of “It’s fixed in 703 (e10)” responses given from support, however as with any new major release of a system this large there are going to be issues.  I wouldn’t expect going live on 10 would be smart for easily another year or so.  That’s a long time to sit back and wait.

 

Josh

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Gercar
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:04 PM
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Just wait for E10 and work on that. Don't waste your time with E9. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Miguel Santillan" <msantillan@...> wrote:

 

I dont think it is ready either, but we are spec'ing out a new server and Epicor is spec'ing it out for E10.

 

I think one thing that I learned is, dont get behind on the these releases.  Even though E10 will be released, I wouldnt go Live with it.

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:50 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: Re: [Vantage] &quot;Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10&quot;

 

 

Who ever that support person is she/he is crazy. I don't know when E10 will launch but I am fairly certain it's not by the end of the month

On Sep 6, 2013 5:07 PM, <snielsen.hipco@...> wrote:

 

I just received my first "Scheduled to be fixed in Epicor 10" response to a service call on Epicor 9. We aren't going live on E9 until next month (hopefully) and it's already "obsolete"! How depressing. Shortly after we went live on 8.03.403 we had to start battling to get things fixed in Vantage (development was busy with E9), now I get to start all over again with Epicor 9. Oh well, so far it seems that Epicor 9.05.701 is stable enough and will meet our needs for a number of years. Hopefully this will be my last ride on the merry-go-round!

FYI for anyone watching, according to the response from support, Epicor 10 is scheduled to be released at the end of the month.






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