Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs

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Another option is not to enter a date. We don't.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Cindy House" <cindy.house@g...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. After doing some further searching,
here is
> what I found out. Contrary to what Vantage Support center told me,
you can
> Generate PO Suggestions by Scheduling a job without having it to
Release the
> job. However, after talking to my Epicor Consultant, I found out
the trick
> is the Cut-Off Date that is used when you Generate PO Suggestions.
>
> For example, if you have a job scheduled for 03/20/06 and you have
a lead
> time of 8 weeks for one of the materials, then that material needs
to be
> ordered by 01/23/06. In order for the system to Generate a PO
Suggestion
> the Cut-Off Date used in the Generate PO Suggestion screen needs to
be the
> date the material is due in....03/20/06. Therefore, internally I
will set
> instructions to my employees to run the Cut-Off Date using 3 months
out (or
> at least a week longer than our longest material lead time in our
system).
> In order to include long lead times, you will have suggestions for
the same
> job (let's say the material lead time of 3 weeks) that may not need
to be
> ordered until 02/27/06. Therefore those suggestions could be
ignored until
> closer to the 02/27/06 date.
>
> Hopefully, I have not made this issue clear as mud for anyone!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cindy House
> GTech Precision
> Corporate Controller
> (w) 817-539-8014
> (f) 817-539-8018
> (c) 817-832-8933
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:28 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs
>
> I agree with Jasper. We do not release jobs until 3 days before
> their scheduled start date and purchasing knows of material
> requirements and sub-contract requirements before that when they
> generate PO Suggestions.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@l...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not convinced that they gave you the right information. When
> you run MRP, NO jobs are Engineered or Released but PO suggestions
> ARE generated. I would call again and ask this specific
question.
> >
> > From my understanding, if a job is not released, you can not
issue
> material to it or enter in any labor. I think your initial logic
was
> correct. Scheduling a job gives you a clear picture of when and
what
> needs to be manufactured. If releasing a job is the trigger to
kick
> of PO suggestions, what's the point of having that option then.
> >
> > Let us know what you find out!
> >
> > Jasper
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chouse1000 [mailto:cindy.house@g...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs
> >
> >
> > In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received,
but
> > not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
> > scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support,
in
> > order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related
to
> > these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this
> hard to
> > believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so
you
> > must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order
> for
> > purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.
> >
> > So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has
anyone
> > found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results
by
> > a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling
> and
> > releasing a job?
> >
> > BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Cindy House
> > cindy.house@g...
> > Corporate Controller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but
not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support, in
order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related to
these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this hard to
believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so you
must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order for
purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.

So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone
found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by
a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling and
releasing a job?

BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.

Any suggestions?

Cindy House
cindy.house@...
Corporate Controller
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I'm not sure about Purchasing Suggestions but I know for a fact that parts required on a job will show on time phase as soon as the job is created whether it's released or not.

I would be surprised (but not necessarily shocked) if the purchasing suggestion logic didn't match the time phase logic.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of chouse1000
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but
not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support, in
order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related to
these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this hard to
believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so you
must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order for
purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.

So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone
found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by
a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling and
releasing a job?

BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.

Any suggestions?

Cindy House
cindy.house@...
Corporate Controller





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Even though the job might be released doesn't mean you have to work on it,
That's what work queues are for. It seems pretty logical to me that the
release button triggers all requirements Labor and Material. If this wasn't
the case your material requirement would start the moment you created a Job
No even thought you might be working on the BOM and routing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


I'm not sure about Purchasing Suggestions but I know for a fact that parts
required on a job will show on time phase as soon as the job is created
whether it's released or not.

I would be surprised (but not necessarily shocked) if the purchasing
suggestion logic didn't match the time phase logic.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
chouse1000
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but not
released to the floor until a week or two before they were scheduled. But
from what I have been told from Vantage support, in order for the system to
suggest purchase orders for parts related to these jobs, you must release
the job to the floor. I find this hard to believe since a purchase part
could have a 6 week lead time, so you must release it to the floor at least
6 weeks in advance in order for purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.

So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone found a
way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by a different
method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling and releasing a job?

BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.

Any suggestions?

Cindy House
cindy.house@...
Corporate Controller





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Having the early visibility was one of the original design criteria with the Vantage product. Philosophically it was decided that the benefits of earlier visibility outweighed any negatives. Many companies (ours is a prime example) with long material lead times times need this early visibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Howard
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:58 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


Even though the job might be released doesn't mean you have to work on it,
That's what work queues are for. It seems pretty logical to me that the
release button triggers all requirements Labor and Material. If this wasn't
the case your material requirement would start the moment you created a Job
No even thought you might be working on the BOM and routing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


I'm not sure about Purchasing Suggestions but I know for a fact that parts
required on a job will show on time phase as soon as the job is created
whether it's released or not.

I would be surprised (but not necessarily shocked) if the purchasing
suggestion logic didn't match the time phase logic.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
chouse1000
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but not
released to the floor until a week or two before they were scheduled. But
from what I have been told from Vantage support, in order for the system to
suggest purchase orders for parts related to these jobs, you must release
the job to the floor. I find this hard to believe since a purchase part
could have a 6 week lead time, so you must release it to the floor at least
6 weeks in advance in order for purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.

So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone found a
way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by a different
method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling and releasing a job?

BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.

Any suggestions?

Cindy House
cindy.house@...
Corporate Controller





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I'm not convinced that they gave you the right information. When you run MRP, NO jobs are Engineered or Released but PO suggestions ARE generated. I would call again and ask this specific question.

From my understanding, if a job is not released, you can not issue material to it or enter in any labor. I think your initial logic was correct. Scheduling a job gives you a clear picture of when and what needs to be manufactured. If releasing a job is the trigger to kick of PO suggestions, what's the point of having that option then.

Let us know what you find out!

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: chouse1000 [mailto:cindy.house@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs


In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but
not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support, in
order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related to
these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this hard to
believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so you
must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order for
purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.

So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone
found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by
a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling and
releasing a job?

BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.

Any suggestions?

Cindy House
cindy.house@...
Corporate Controller





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I agree with Jasper. We do not release jobs until 3 days before
their scheduled start date and purchasing knows of material
requirements and sub-contract requirements before that when they
generate PO Suggestions.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@l...> wrote:
>
> I'm not convinced that they gave you the right information. When
you run MRP, NO jobs are Engineered or Released but PO suggestions
ARE generated. I would call again and ask this specific question.
>
> From my understanding, if a job is not released, you can not issue
material to it or enter in any labor. I think your initial logic was
correct. Scheduling a job gives you a clear picture of when and what
needs to be manufactured. If releasing a job is the trigger to kick
of PO suggestions, what's the point of having that option then.
>
> Let us know what you find out!
>
> Jasper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chouse1000 [mailto:cindy.house@g...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs
>
>
> In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but
> not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
> scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support, in
> order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related to
> these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this
hard to
> believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so you
> must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order
for
> purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.
>
> So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone
> found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by
> a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling
and
> releasing a job?
>
> BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cindy House
> cindy.house@g...
> Corporate Controller
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Thanks for all the replies. After doing some further searching, here is
what I found out. Contrary to what Vantage Support center told me, you can
Generate PO Suggestions by Scheduling a job without having it to Release the
job. However, after talking to my Epicor Consultant, I found out the trick
is the Cut-Off Date that is used when you Generate PO Suggestions.

For example, if you have a job scheduled for 03/20/06 and you have a lead
time of 8 weeks for one of the materials, then that material needs to be
ordered by 01/23/06. In order for the system to Generate a PO Suggestion
the Cut-Off Date used in the Generate PO Suggestion screen needs to be the
date the material is due in....03/20/06. Therefore, internally I will set
instructions to my employees to run the Cut-Off Date using 3 months out (or
at least a week longer than our longest material lead time in our system).
In order to include long lead times, you will have suggestions for the same
job (let's say the material lead time of 3 weeks) that may not need to be
ordered until 02/27/06. Therefore those suggestions could be ignored until
closer to the 02/27/06 date.

Hopefully, I have not made this issue clear as mud for anyone!

Thanks,

Cindy House
GTech Precision
Corporate Controller
(w) 817-539-8014
(f) 817-539-8018
(c) 817-832-8933

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs

I agree with Jasper. We do not release jobs until 3 days before
their scheduled start date and purchasing knows of material
requirements and sub-contract requirements before that when they
generate PO Suggestions.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@l...> wrote:
>
> I'm not convinced that they gave you the right information. When
you run MRP, NO jobs are Engineered or Released but PO suggestions
ARE generated. I would call again and ask this specific question.
>
> From my understanding, if a job is not released, you can not issue
material to it or enter in any labor. I think your initial logic was
correct. Scheduling a job gives you a clear picture of when and what
needs to be manufactured. If releasing a job is the trigger to kick
of PO suggestions, what's the point of having that option then.
>
> Let us know what you find out!
>
> Jasper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chouse1000 [mailto:cindy.house@g...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Scheduled Jobs vs. Released Jobs
>
>
> In my past life, jobs were schedule when an order was received, but
> not released to the floor until a week or two before they were
> scheduled. But from what I have been told from Vantage support, in
> order for the system to suggest purchase orders for parts related to
> these jobs, you must release the job to the floor. I find this
hard to
> believe since a purchase part could have a 6 week lead time, so you
> must release it to the floor at least 6 weeks in advance in order
for
> purchasing to be prompted to buy the parts.
>
> So my questions are: 1)does anyone find this unusual?; 2)has anyone
> found a way around this - maybe I can accomplish the same results by
> a different method?; 3) what is the difference between scheduling
and
> releasing a job?
>
> BTW - we are Vantage 6.10.533 and we do not have MRP.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cindy House
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> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links