Reverse Scrap entry

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If it didn't go through non-conforming, than it never hit the inspection queue, get failed & DMR rejected. If it was just labor entry scrap, it can simply be edited as long as job is not yet completed.

If it did go through QC processing - then yes, even an all powerful diety can't 'undo' it thanks to Epicor's assumption that human beings never make entry errors.

Rob


--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Kathleen Tyrrell <ktyrrell@...> wrote:

From: Kathleen Tyrrell <ktyrrell@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:41 AM






Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
once it has been rejected.

There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.

_____

From: Mike McGee [mailto:mmcgee@flexial. com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

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We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.



Thanks





Mike McGee

Materials Manager



Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501



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* Fax: 931-432-1889

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Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
once it has been rejected.

There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.



_____

From: Mike McGee [mailto:mmcgee@...]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry



We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@... <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com> <mailto:
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*LOL* - "Act of God" - I love that!

We *used* to have this exact problem, and just this morning I had
another conversation with one of our QA analysts about it. A few months
ago I changed privileges for every employee to *not allow* entry of
scrap in the first place, except for those people in the QA department
(3 people) whose job is to process DMRs. In my opinion (and backed up
by the QC manager), the *only* people who are authorized to actually
*scrap* a piece are those involved in DMR. For anyone else, the most
they're authorized to do is report a discrepancy - in practice, they're
not authorized to decide on their own if a piece can be re-worked, or if
it is beyond economic feasibility to rework and truly must be scrapped.

Since we don't really use costing, the work-around for us is to "create"
a new piece on the operation in question. But, what happens then is
that a run of 100 pieces where 1 was improperly scrapped becomes a run
of 101 pieces, 100 good and 1 scrap. If you're tracking costs, that's
bad. And if you're reporting on scrap (which we do), the report won't
be accurate and it's tough to document how the scrapped piece was
un-scrapped.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kathleen Tyrrell
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry



Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
once it has been rejected.

There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.

_____

From: Mike McGee [mailto:mmcgee@...
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com> ]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@... <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com> <mailto:
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Only one more possibility, since I was stuck on DMR Rejections and not

Scrap quantity from jobs...can a negative scrap quantity be entered on a

job operation?



_____

From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@...]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry



*LOL* - "Act of God" - I love that!

We *used* to have this exact problem, and just this morning I had
another conversation with one of our QA analysts about it. A few months
ago I changed privileges for every employee to *not allow* entry of
scrap in the first place, except for those people in the QA department
(3 people) whose job is to process DMRs. In my opinion (and backed up
by the QC manager), the *only* people who are authorized to actually
*scrap* a piece are those involved in DMR. For anyone else, the most
they're authorized to do is report a discrepancy - in practice, they're
not authorized to decide on their own if a piece can be re-worked, or if
it is beyond economic feasibility to rework and truly must be scrapped.

Since we don't really use costing, the work-around for us is to "create"
a new piece on the operation in question. But, what happens then is
that a run of 100 pieces where 1 was improperly scrapped becomes a run
of 101 pieces, 100 good and 1 scrap. If you're tracking costs, that's
bad. And if you're reporting on scrap (which we do), the report won't
be accurate and it's tough to document how the scrapped piece was
un-scrapped.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Kathleen Tyrrell
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
once it has been rejected.

There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.

_____

From: Mike McGee [mailto: mmcgee@...
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com> ]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@... <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com> <mailto:
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6
I don't think you can do negatives in "Labor Entry" (MES). You *might*
be able to do a negative quantity labor adjustment, but I don't think
you could for scrap...

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kathleen Tyrrell
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry



Only one more possibility, since I was stuck on DMR Rejections and not

Scrap quantity from jobs...can a negative scrap quantity be entered on a

job operation?

_____

From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@... <mailto:ari%40zweig-cnc.com>
]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

*LOL* - "Act of God" - I love that!

We *used* to have this exact problem, and just this morning I had
another conversation with one of our QA analysts about it. A few months
ago I changed privileges for every employee to *not allow* entry of
scrap in the first place, except for those people in the QA department
(3 people) whose job is to process DMRs. In my opinion (and backed up
by the QC manager), the *only* people who are authorized to actually
*scrap* a piece are those involved in DMR. For anyone else, the most
they're authorized to do is report a discrepancy - in practice, they're
not authorized to decide on their own if a piece can be re-worked, or if
it is beyond economic feasibility to rework and truly must be scrapped.

Since we don't really use costing, the work-around for us is to "create"
a new piece on the operation in question. But, what happens then is
that a run of 100 pieces where 1 was improperly scrapped becomes a run
of 101 pieces, 100 good and 1 scrap. If you're tracking costs, that's
bad. And if you're reporting on scrap (which we do), the report won't
be accurate and it's tough to document how the scrapped piece was
un-scrapped.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Kathleen Tyrrell
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
once it has been rejected.

There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.

_____

From: Mike McGee [mailto: mmcgee@...
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com> ]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry

We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@... <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com> <mailto:
mmcgee@... <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
<mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
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Mike,
If the scrap was just reported in the labor transaction (which is what it sounds like) - then in 6.1 at least, if it is a recent transaction that has not been locked by the WIP Capture or payroll, you can just go into Labor Entry and edit the labor transaction to take the scrap out by zeroing out the field.

Julie
Mercury Minnesota Inc.


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike McGee
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry


We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@... <mailto:mmcgee@...>

* www.flexial.com

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Just to clarify...the Scrap Qty you are referring to is the quantity entered in the SCRAP QTY field in End Activity...right?

If so, then you can edit the quantity using Labor Entry on the application side.

All other quantities are referred to as NonConformance. You can enter a NC Qty in End Activity and in Nonconformance Entry. However, you cannot 'reverse' these as they are tied to a NC Transaction Record. You must deal with these transactions from the Inspection Processing and/or DMR Processing Screens.

Thanks
Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Kathleen Tyrrell" <ktyrrell@...> wrote:
>
> Only one more possibility, since I was stuck on DMR Rejections and not
>
> Scrap quantity from jobs...can a negative scrap quantity be entered on a
>
> job operation?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@...]
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:58 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry
>
>
>
> *LOL* - "Act of God" - I love that!
>
> We *used* to have this exact problem, and just this morning I had
> another conversation with one of our QA analysts about it. A few months
> ago I changed privileges for every employee to *not allow* entry of
> scrap in the first place, except for those people in the QA department
> (3 people) whose job is to process DMRs. In my opinion (and backed up
> by the QC manager), the *only* people who are authorized to actually
> *scrap* a piece are those involved in DMR. For anyone else, the most
> they're authorized to do is report a discrepancy - in practice, they're
> not authorized to decide on their own if a piece can be re-worked, or if
> it is beyond economic feasibility to rework and truly must be scrapped.
>
> Since we don't really use costing, the work-around for us is to "create"
> a new piece on the operation in question. But, what happens then is
> that a run of 100 pieces where 1 was improperly scrapped becomes a run
> of 101 pieces, 100 good and 1 scrap. If you're tracking costs, that's
> bad. And if you're reporting on scrap (which we do), the report won't
> be accurate and it's tough to document how the scrapped piece was
> un-scrapped.
>
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of Kathleen Tyrrell
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:42 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry
>
> Our QA Manager would say that it takes an Act of God to resurrect a DMR
> once it has been rejected.
>
> There are a few work arounds, but you have to review the cost impact and
> hope that it meets your internal material traceability requirements.
>
> _____
>
> From: Mike McGee [mailto: mmcgee@...
> <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
> <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com> ]
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:30 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry
>
> We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
> reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
> It was put directly to scrap.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike McGee
>
> Materials Manager
>
> Flexial Corporation
>
> 1483 Gould Drive
>
> Cookeville TN, 38501
>
> * PH: 931-432-1853
>
> * Fax: 931-432-1889
>
> *mmcgee@... <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
> <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com>
> <mailto:%2Ammcgee%40flexial.com> <mailto:
> mmcgee@... <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
> <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com>
> <mailto:mmcgee%40flexial.com> >
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9
As long as the job is still open, just edit (& correct) the labor entry. It's all just pending cost WIP until the job is completed.

If your run the Yield recalc process, make sure to manually readjust the total job qty.

Rob

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Mike McGee <mmcgee@...> wrote:

From: Mike McGee <mmcgee@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Reverse Scrap entry
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:30 AM






We had an item incorrectly scrapped at an operation. Anyone know how to
reverse a scrap transaction? It did not go through the non conforming.
It was put directly to scrap.

Thanks

Mike McGee

Materials Manager

Flexial Corporation

1483 Gould Drive

Cookeville TN, 38501

* PH: 931-432-1853

* Fax: 931-432-1889

*mmcgee@flexial. com <mailto:mmcgee@flexial. com>

* www.flexial. com

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