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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? It's I didn't want to risk it so waited weeks to get their script.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Vantage <vantage@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. I know I can delete the records in there if I want to. But, will I hurt anything if I do it though?
>
> Joe Sanders
> Wipaire, Inc.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Purge?
>
>
>
> We to had to the same situation with *very* large IM and IntQueXX tables. We were at one time using the Multi-Company and since we were no longer the records were just sitting instead of getting processed. We had to (1) take out Multi-Company (I don't remember the steps but Epicor walked me through quickly) and (2) they custom wrote something for me to clear out those tables. It took weeks for them to finally get it to me but worked well once I ran it. Unfortunately I believe that it had an expiry of some sort hard-coded into it.
>
> CMR
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Vantage <vantage@<mailto:vantage@>> wrote:
> >
> > My Analysis came back. I have a total Scatter Factor of 5.2. Of the 817 total tables, 349 tables have a Scatter Factor between 4 and 8.8 while 96 have a Scatter Factor between 1 and 3.0. The rest are all zero's.
> >
> > I did notice that I have a lot of records in the IM tables and the IntQueXX tables. While we did at one time use the Mobile Connect module, we no longer use it and will not in the future. How can I purge/delete that data?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe Sanders
> > Wipaire, Inc.
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vantage
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:48 AM
> > To: Brian Roberts; vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > Thanks for the data.
> >
> > We have not done a Dump & load in the past. Running the analysis now.
> >
> > We have tried to upgrade a number of times. Problems with the conversion was the first major area. I was the person that identified the problems with the migration of Dimensional Tracked inventory to 9. Then we have had internal issues the last 9 months. We do want to keep as much data as we can in E9.
> >
> > Joe Sanders
> > Wipaire, Inc.
> >
> > From: Brian Roberts [mailto:broberts@<mailto:broberts%40gfxltd.com>]<mailto:[mailto:broberts@%3cmailto:broberts%40gfxltd.com%3e]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: Vantage
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?
> >
> > If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of space.
> >
> > If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for moving your data:
> > - upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion
> > - move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you can decide how much history to move
> > This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.
> >
> > But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vantage
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Purge?
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.
> >
> > Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.
> >
> > Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe Sanders
> > Wipaire, Inc.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Dump and load. Sucks, but should be done at minimum once per year. This will decrease the size of your database and improve performance. Contact support for the exact instructions for your version of the DB.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?



All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Zac,

What does a dump and load consist of? I have heard of it on here
before...but never paid attention till now, since we are now live.

thanks.

Nick




On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:55:17 -0700
Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...> wrote:
Dump and load. Sucks, but should be done at minimum once
per year. This will decrease the size of your database and
improve performance. Contact support for the exact
instructions for your version of the DB.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary
service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?



All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard
amount of time to keep your data before you purge your
database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our
performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig.
We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be
upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no
guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Dump and load is taking your database offline and literally doing a UTF-8 dump to files. And then you load those files back into an empty database.

Time it takes depends on the version you are running, BPM’s you have in place, etc. We are on epicor 9.05 and for a 7-8 gig database it takes about 16 hours to complete the process. When completed our DB is around 4.8 gig in size.

Problem with Progress is that it has no way built into it to “defrag” itself. Only way to do it is dump the database and then load it back into an empty database.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] RE: Purge?



Zac,

What does a dump and load consist of? I have heard of it on here
before...but never paid attention till now, since we are now live.

thanks.

Nick

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:55:17 -0700
Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...<mailto:zac%40ie-corp.com>> wrote:
Dump and load. Sucks, but should be done at minimum once
per year. This will decrease the size of your database and
improve performance. Contact support for the exact
instructions for your version of the DB.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com<http://www.ie-corp.com>

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary
service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard
amount of time to keep your data before you purge your
database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our
performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig.
We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be
upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no
guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL
transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of
space.



If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for
moving your data:

- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate
versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion

- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you
can decide how much history to move

This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.



But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.



Brian.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?





All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time
to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are
currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor
9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We never have done a Dump & Load. I'm running the utility right now.

I will let you know what comes out.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Brian,

Thanks for the data.

We have not done a Dump & load in the past. Running the analysis now.

We have tried to upgrade a number of times. Problems with the conversion was the first major area. I was the person that identified the problems with the migration of Dimensional Tracked inventory to 9. Then we have had internal issues the last 9 months. We do want to keep as much data as we can in E9.

Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

From: Brian Roberts [mailto:broberts@...]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for moving your data:
- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion
- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you can decide how much history to move
This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?



All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe,



Just so you're not under any misconceptions, the dump and load does not
actually purge any data. It is simply a performance tool to reorganize your
database.



Kevin



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?





We never have done a Dump & Load. I'm running the utility right now.

I will let you know what comes out.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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Thanks for clarifying that. I assumed that was the case.

Joe

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Simon
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



Joe,

Just so you're not under any misconceptions, the dump and load does not
actually purge any data. It is simply a performance tool to reorganize your
database.

Kevin

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

We never have done a Dump & Load. I'm running the utility right now.

I will let you know what comes out.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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Great tip, Ned.

From: Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?


Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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How do you purge your GL Transactions...we were just talking about this right now.

Kind Regards,

Miguel A. Santillan
ERP Administrator
Compass Components, Inc.
510-661-6666 Office
510-656-0603 Fax
msantillan@...<mailto:msantillan@...>
www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Roberts
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL
transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of
space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for
moving your data:

- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate
versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion

- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you
can decide how much history to move

This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time
to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are
currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor
9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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AFAIK, System Mgmt –> Utilities –> Database Purge and Summarize

Choose Journal Details.

From: Miguel Santillan
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?


How do you purge your GL Transactions...we were just talking about this right now.

Kind Regards,

Miguel A. Santillan
ERP Administrator
Compass Components, Inc.
510-661-6666 Office
510-656-0603 Fax
mailto:msantillan%40ccicms.com<mailto:mailto:msantillan%40ccicms.com>
www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Roberts
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL
transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of
space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for
moving your data:

- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate
versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion

- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you
can decide how much history to move

This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time
to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are
currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor
9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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Thanks...I will mess around on our test db.

Kind Regards,

Miguel A. Santillan
ERP Administrator
Compass Components, Inc.
510-661-6666 Office
510-656-0603 Fax
msantillan@...<mailto:msantillan@...>
www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>

From: Brian Roberts [mailto:broberts@...]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Miguel Santillan
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

In Vantage 6.1:
Sys Mgmt -> Utilities -> Database Purge & Summarize
Financial -> GL -> Master File -> Purge GL History
They do two different parts of the types of purging, forget off-hand which is which.

I assume similar options in Epicor 9, haven't actually looked :(

Brian.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



How do you purge your GL Transactions...we were just talking about this right now.

Kind Regards,

Miguel A. Santillan
ERP Administrator
Compass Components, Inc.
510-661-6666 Office
510-656-0603 Fax
msantillan@...<mailto:msantillan%40ccicms.com><mailto:msantillan@...<mailto:msantillan%40ccicms.com>>
www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Roberts
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL
transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of
space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for
moving your data:

- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate
versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion

- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you
can decide how much history to move

This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time
to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are
currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor
9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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Does anyone have the procedure to do this in Vantage 6.1.525?

Thanks
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:48 AM
To: Brian Roberts; vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



Brian,

Thanks for the data.

We have not done a Dump & load in the past. Running the analysis now.

We have tried to upgrade a number of times. Problems with the conversion was the first major area. I was the person that identified the problems with the migration of Dimensional Tracked inventory to 9. Then we have had internal issues the last 9 months. We do want to keep as much data as we can in E9.

Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

From: Brian Roberts [mailto:broberts@...<mailto:broberts%40gfxltd.com>]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for moving your data:
- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion
- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you can decide how much history to move
This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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I just ran this on my test db.

What value would be a max-value for Scatter Factor? I have 97 tables that are 4 or greater with my max scatter factor = 6.5 on my Customer table.

Does it go up to 10? 20? 100? I’m trying to ascertain “how bad” is bad.

From: Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?


Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

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From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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The Record Scatter Factor:



The table scatter factor is a numeric representation of the closeness of the records for a table to each other. A value of 1.0 indicates that the records for a table are as close to each other as possible.

The lower the scatter factor, the more likely it is that a block that holds a record for a table will contain other records for the same table.

When multiple records from the same table are read, it is more likely that a buffer will be found. This leads to an extremely general statement that the higher the table scatter factor, the lower the buffer hit rate, therefore the busier the disk drives and the worse the performance.

A scatter factor is a good indicator of the quality of record fragmentation only when it's value is close to one so it is preferable to have a low table scatter factor. Experience has proven that performance gains are found after a dump and load is done when scatter factors are greater than 4.0 to 4.5 on tables with more than 100 records.

Progress 9.x introduced storage areas in the database architecture which allows you to influence the scatter factor of a table by assigning it to its own area and selecting an appropriate records per block. Done wisely, this can eliminate the need for performance related dump and load operations.




The Index Factor:



The index factor is a numeric representation of how much unused space is combined in all the index blocks of the database. It compares the percentage of space used in the index blocks to the most compact the index blocks could become.

With an index factor between:
1.0 - 1.5: The index is in good shape.
1.5 - 2.0: The index may need compaction.
2.0 and higher: The index needs compacting.

If the index were compacted, it would occupy less space in the database and use less memory because each block would be fuller. The number of index levels would probably decrease after compaction. This means that accessing a record would require fewer database reads.

Using idxbuild does not have much effect on compaction because it uses the database blocks on the free chain in the database. As a result the used blocks may not end up being ordered contiguously.

Kind Regards,

Miguel A. Santillan
ERP Administrator
Compass Components, Inc.
510-661-6666 Office
510-656-0603 Fax
msantillan@...<mailto:msantillan@...>
www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:41 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Purge?



I just ran this on my test db.

What value would be a max-value for Scatter Factor? I have 97 tables that are 4 or greater with my max scatter factor = 6.5 on my Customer table.

Does it go up to 10? 20? 100? I’m trying to ascertain “how bad” is bad.

From: Ned C.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

Have you run a tabanalys lately to see what your scatter rating is? When was
the last time you did a dump and load?

I'd look into that first.

PROUTIL mfgsys -C TABANALYS >> tabanalysis.wri

Check out the scatter rating which is the column farthest to the right.

If a lot of your large, commonly updates tables are above a 4, then you
should really do a dump and load.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to
keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has
deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently
running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the
year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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My Analysis came back. I have a total Scatter Factor of 5.2. Of the 817 total tables, 349 tables have a Scatter Factor between 4 and 8.8 while 96 have a Scatter Factor between 1 and 3.0. The rest are all zero's.

I did notice that I have a lot of records in the IM tables and the IntQueXX tables. While we did at one time use the Mobile Connect module, we no longer use it and will not in the future. How can I purge/delete that data?

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:48 AM
To: Brian Roberts; vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?



Brian,

Thanks for the data.

We have not done a Dump & load in the past. Running the analysis now.

We have tried to upgrade a number of times. Problems with the conversion was the first major area. I was the person that identified the problems with the migration of Dimensional Tracked inventory to 9. Then we have had internal issues the last 9 months. We do want to keep as much data as we can in E9.

Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

From: Brian Roberts [mailto:broberts@...<mailto:broberts%40gfxltd.com>]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purge?

If you haven't already, look at purging your change log & GL transactions (an option in the Vantage menus) - these take up a lot of space.

If you're going to upgrade to 6 to 9, there are two major choices for moving your data:
- upgrade your entire database through all of the intermediate versions - that took a full weekend for our conversion
- move current orders etc over (via DMT) - more work, but you can decide how much history to move
This decision will affect how much you worry about purging in Vantage 6.

But the dump & load suggested by others will help with performance now.

Brian.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vantage
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?

All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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Hi
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if you think your performance is bad now, wait until you 'upgrade' to Epicor 9! :-)

From: Vantage <vantage@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012, 15:26
Subject: [Vantage] Purge?


Â
All,

I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a standard amount of time to keep your data before you purge your database.

Over the past year or so we have noticed that our performance has deteriorated.

Our server is 7 years old and our database size is 11Gig. We are currently running Vantage 6.1 and hopefully will be upgrading to Epicor 9 within the year, but there is no guarantee of that.

Thanks,
Joe Sanders
Wipaire, Inc.

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