I second the suggestion. All our ISO quality manuals are now on-line in PDF
and I envision a lot more going this way. For about $220 Acrobat is well
worth it. You would need a copy for each PC creating documents but the read
is free. One caution, if you want to designate Acrobat as the "Printer" to
create the documents you must specifically check mark this in a CUSTOM
installation. By default the PDFWriter is not installed. Someone else had
a question about this a couple weeks ago and I just realized this was
probably why they could not print to PDF. This is why I always "Custom"
install software rather than take the 'Typical" option.
-Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
{sent at 4:27pm CDT on 9/17)
-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:03 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
In this situation, I would probably use PDF for the master copies of the
documents. Print the QC/ISO etc.. documents to PDF. You could even append
the documents to make one pdf out of them, and associate that one document
with the Job in vantage. Yes, adobe acrobat reader would still be open, but
it would be considerably faster than launching word.
We currently use PDF format for all our scanned commercial part data sheets,
roughly 4000 pages and growing. Since we converted from JPG to that format,
traffic to document control for those data sheets has been drastically
reduced.
The problem with a PRN file is it is going to be printer specific. It
cannot be viewed (very easily,) only printed. If you decide you need to
change printers, or another department needs to print this document, you
have to recreate the prn file.
The pdf documents could be e-mailed, posted to web site, etc...
Picture this. You've got everything setup with your PRN file, your two
weeks into Vantage 5, everythings going good. Printer breaks, and you have
to replace it with a newer model.
Now, all the PRN files for every job you've created are obsolete. Time to
open all those documents and re-print them to PRN files that match the new
printer. Oh, wait, the printer is working fine, let's send the new one
back.....
My suggestion...go with PDF. Adobe Acrobat is fairly inexpensive, and would
allow you to create and print to pdf's. A recent thread on this group noted
some even less expensive non-adobe alternatives for printing to PDF. The
reader is free, and those without adobe acrobat full cannot modify the
document, so even if the application is still open, it is a read-only file,
thus eliminating the risk of inadvertant document modification.
$.02
Thaddeus
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
Thanks for info. I should have been more specific. I know how to do what
you suggested, it is the next step I have problems with. Here is the whole
story. I routinely print 10-12 documents with a job traveler (QC, ISO
stuff, etc) for our standard product line. I had custom programming set up
a routine to auto print all related documents when the traveler is printing
using the assoc doc functionality in Vantage. Their solution (using the
term loosely) was to open each application and the document and have the
user answer yes to the print command as it pops up. This "solution" also
left the app and the document open which is an ISO document control
nightmare.
To be fair, they warned me that a printer window would open and I would have
to answer yes to the print command. They failed to mention that the
application and the document would also open and remain open where it could
be accidentally changed!
If I have to, I can combine all the doc's into one file. I still don't want
to open the app and leave the doc open. I know you can output a .prn file
and you can print it without the app. I have done this, it works fine from
an operating system level.
I know that the command "copy filename.prn \\servername\filename" seems to
work. I ran into some problems printing to a network printer. Custom
programming doesn't seem to know how to get this to work within Vantage and
Windows.
Does anyone have any other suggestions I can forward to them? We go live
with 5.0 in two weeks. Thanks for your help in what is not really a Vantage
issue.
Mitchell Kirby
m.kirby@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron A. Janish [mailto:cajanish@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
Under printer set up you create a new printer, local, and select print to a
file in the screen that lets you select what port the printer is suppose to
be attached to. Let me know if you need more info.
Cameron A. Janish
Misha1
866-464-7421
cameron@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:41 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Printing to File
I am trying to print associated documents without opening an application
such as Word. I know you can "Print to File" from a laser printer for
instance. We have done this with CAD files we needed to print when the
system didn't have the application loaded. You just use a print command
to
send the files to the printer. As long as they are in the correct format
they print fine.
How do you direct a file to the default printer on a WIN98 box? The old
dos
print command seems to have disappeared? Before, (in the dark ages when
Windows was just a scary story) I could just drop to DOS and type print
and
the file name and away it went.
Got any suggestions?
Mitchell Kirby
V. P. Manufacturing
Riten Industries, Inc.
800-338-0027, ext 210
800-338-0717 FAX
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
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l/S=1705007183:HM/A=765263/rand=152904155>
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
and I envision a lot more going this way. For about $220 Acrobat is well
worth it. You would need a copy for each PC creating documents but the read
is free. One caution, if you want to designate Acrobat as the "Printer" to
create the documents you must specifically check mark this in a CUSTOM
installation. By default the PDFWriter is not installed. Someone else had
a question about this a couple weeks ago and I just realized this was
probably why they could not print to PDF. This is why I always "Custom"
install software rather than take the 'Typical" option.
-Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
{sent at 4:27pm CDT on 9/17)
-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:03 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
In this situation, I would probably use PDF for the master copies of the
documents. Print the QC/ISO etc.. documents to PDF. You could even append
the documents to make one pdf out of them, and associate that one document
with the Job in vantage. Yes, adobe acrobat reader would still be open, but
it would be considerably faster than launching word.
We currently use PDF format for all our scanned commercial part data sheets,
roughly 4000 pages and growing. Since we converted from JPG to that format,
traffic to document control for those data sheets has been drastically
reduced.
The problem with a PRN file is it is going to be printer specific. It
cannot be viewed (very easily,) only printed. If you decide you need to
change printers, or another department needs to print this document, you
have to recreate the prn file.
The pdf documents could be e-mailed, posted to web site, etc...
Picture this. You've got everything setup with your PRN file, your two
weeks into Vantage 5, everythings going good. Printer breaks, and you have
to replace it with a newer model.
Now, all the PRN files for every job you've created are obsolete. Time to
open all those documents and re-print them to PRN files that match the new
printer. Oh, wait, the printer is working fine, let's send the new one
back.....
My suggestion...go with PDF. Adobe Acrobat is fairly inexpensive, and would
allow you to create and print to pdf's. A recent thread on this group noted
some even less expensive non-adobe alternatives for printing to PDF. The
reader is free, and those without adobe acrobat full cannot modify the
document, so even if the application is still open, it is a read-only file,
thus eliminating the risk of inadvertant document modification.
$.02
Thaddeus
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
Thanks for info. I should have been more specific. I know how to do what
you suggested, it is the next step I have problems with. Here is the whole
story. I routinely print 10-12 documents with a job traveler (QC, ISO
stuff, etc) for our standard product line. I had custom programming set up
a routine to auto print all related documents when the traveler is printing
using the assoc doc functionality in Vantage. Their solution (using the
term loosely) was to open each application and the document and have the
user answer yes to the print command as it pops up. This "solution" also
left the app and the document open which is an ISO document control
nightmare.
To be fair, they warned me that a printer window would open and I would have
to answer yes to the print command. They failed to mention that the
application and the document would also open and remain open where it could
be accidentally changed!
If I have to, I can combine all the doc's into one file. I still don't want
to open the app and leave the doc open. I know you can output a .prn file
and you can print it without the app. I have done this, it works fine from
an operating system level.
I know that the command "copy filename.prn \\servername\filename" seems to
work. I ran into some problems printing to a network printer. Custom
programming doesn't seem to know how to get this to work within Vantage and
Windows.
Does anyone have any other suggestions I can forward to them? We go live
with 5.0 in two weeks. Thanks for your help in what is not really a Vantage
issue.
Mitchell Kirby
m.kirby@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron A. Janish [mailto:cajanish@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Printing to File
Under printer set up you create a new printer, local, and select print to a
file in the screen that lets you select what port the printer is suppose to
be attached to. Let me know if you need more info.
Cameron A. Janish
Misha1
866-464-7421
cameron@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:41 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Printing to File
I am trying to print associated documents without opening an application
such as Word. I know you can "Print to File" from a laser printer for
instance. We have done this with CAD files we needed to print when the
system didn't have the application loaded. You just use a print command
to
send the files to the printer. As long as they are in the correct format
they print fine.
How do you direct a file to the default printer on a WIN98 box? The old
dos
print command seems to have disappeared? Before, (in the dark ages when
Windows was just a scary story) I could just drop to DOS and type print
and
the file name and away it went.
Got any suggestions?
Mitchell Kirby
V. P. Manufacturing
Riten Industries, Inc.
800-338-0027, ext 210
800-338-0717 FAX
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=207641.1594108.3142424.1269402/D=egroupweb/S=17050071
83:HM/A=765263/R=0/*http://www.verisign.com/cgi-bin/go.cgi?a=b15334027000300
0>
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=207641.1594108.3142424.1269402/D=egroupmai
l/S=1705007183:HM/A=765263/rand=152904155>
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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