Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In 8.03.305K

[system]

Yes Rob, you are correct in that I did get prompted to change the
quantities. I have just checked the job tracker and the quantities
look good.

However just when I thought my day could not get any worse, I checked
one of my active jobs and the "Available For Job" tab seems to show
that nothing has been consumed when we know it has. Looking at this
screen I would draw the conculsion that nothing has been issued to
the job which is just plain wrong! I would expect the required
quantity to show 0 for all the kitted lines.

I am coming to the conclusion that the Planner WB is just buggy and
doesn't work properly... I haven't looked at it before today...

I will update you further once Epicor have taken a look at it.

Thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:

>
> Hmmm. Jobs carry both a production qty and ORIGINAL qty value.

Usually when a job qty is changed (at least from Job Entry), you get
prompted as to whether or not you want to reset the original qty...

> Â
> I wonder if (like in far too many apps recently) the last

programmer who touched your version of Prod Planner WB redirected
working code to utilize the wrong job qty field.

> Â
> The Global Rescheduler in 403 & 404 is a perfect example of this:

The changes made to the program from 305 resulted in the wrong date
fields being used to calculate global scheduling order - AND they
drop use of the Job Sched Code scheduling multiplier ENTIRELY as a
critical factor used to calculate the relative priorities of jobs (so
the highest priority jobs really get 1st crack at capacity).

> Â
> A total mess (and proof Epicor releases without doing ANY valid

functionality testing) now supposedly addressed (nealry a year later)
in 405 (which we are about to start testing off line).

> Â
> Rob
>
> Â
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench

Problem In 8.03.305K

> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 3:53 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have just checked the first job ( the one in which I did not
> increase the quantity ), and this would look to be showing sensible
> data. The available quantity is in sync with the on-hand quantity

and

> the time phase.
>
> I am going to see if I can get Epicor support to look at this on
> Tuesday. I am concerned that increasing the quantity has messed
> something up somewhere.
>
> I will let you know the outcome...
>
> Be careful with upgrading. We have not gone up to 8.03.4xx due to

the

> problems / bugs associated with it. I believe the latest release is
> out now and this should have fixed many of the issues, but I would
> ask the group and see what feedback you get. 8.03.305K seems to be
> generally ok, but its not wihtout its problems... ;o(
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > I hope it's not something serious - we've been looking into
> upgrading
> > (we're still on 6.1), but this would be a serious problem for us
> also.
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com]

On

> Behalf
> > Of nmtaylor1969
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> Problem In
> > 8.03.305K
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Liz,
> >
> > The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
> > with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they

are

> > inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
> > inventory transactions currently exist against it.
> >
> > Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the

job

> > BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
> > process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere

down

> > the line...
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.

com> ,

> > "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick,
> > >
> > > Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from
> > stock?
> > >
> > > Liz
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.

com>

> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of nmtaylor1969
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.

com>

> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> > Problem In
> > > 8.03.305K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok Rob,
> > >
> > > Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a
> > total
> > > of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase

confirms

> > > this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> > > requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in

stock,

> > and
> > > again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time

phase

> > and
> > > the part on hand status form.
> > >
> > > There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we

are

> > > running in a single plant, single company scenario.
> > >
> > > So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect
> that
> > > it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
> > >
> > > Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18
> available
> > (
> > > wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0

(

> > > right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
> > >
> > > Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
> > >
> > > Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as

I

> am
> > > stumped...! ;o)
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.

com>

> > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> ,
> > > Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same
> > part
> > > using these 3 different tools?
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > > > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> Problem
> > > In 8.03.305K
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.

com>

> > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I

doing

> > > > something wrong ?
> > > >
> > > > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to

8pcs

> > to
> > > > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have
> > added
> > > a
> > > > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line &

release,

> > and
> > > > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then
> > locked
> > > > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date
> and
> > I
> > > > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been

released.

> > The
> > > > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and

then

> I
> > > > have run the production planning process.
> > > >
> > > > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the

production

> > > > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to
> tie
> > > up
> > > > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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[system]

Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
something wrong ?

I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs to
rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have added a
new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release, and
Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then locked
the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and I
didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.

I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released. The
job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
have run the production planning process.

When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie up
with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.

Am I missing the point somewhere ?

Thanks,

Nick

[system]

Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same part using these 3 different tools?

Rob

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM






Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
something wrong ?

I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs to
rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have added a
new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release, and
Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then locked
the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and I
didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.

I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released. The
job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
have run the production planning process.

When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie up
with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.

Am I missing the point somewhere ?

Thanks,

Nick

[system]

Ok Rob,

Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a total
of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock, and
again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase and
the part on hand status form.

There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
running in a single plant, single company scenario.

So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect that
it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?

Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18 available (
wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...

Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.

Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I am
stumped...! ;o)

Many thanks,

Nick




--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:

>
> Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same part

using these 3 different tools?

>
> Rob
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem

In 8.03.305K

> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> something wrong ?
>
> I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs to
> rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have added

a

> new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release, and
> Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then locked
> the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and I
> didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
>
> I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released. The
> job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
> have run the production planning process.
>
> When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie

up

> with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
>
> Am I missing the point somewhere ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>

[system]

Nick,

Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from stock?

Liz


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of nmtaylor1969
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In
8.03.305K



Ok Rob,

Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a total
of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock, and
again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase and
the part on hand status form.

There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
running in a single plant, single company scenario.

So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect that
it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?

Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18 available (
wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...

Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.

Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I am
stumped...! ;o)

Many thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:

>
> Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same part

using these 3 different tools?

>
> Rob
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem

In 8.03.305K

> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> something wrong ?
>
> I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs to
> rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have added

a

> new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release, and
> Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then locked
> the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and I
> didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
>
> I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released. The
> job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
> have run the production planning process.
>
> When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie

up

> with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
>
> Am I missing the point somewhere ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

Hi Liz,

The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they are
inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
inventory transactions currently exist against it.

Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the job
BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere down
the line...

Many thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@...> wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from
stock?
>
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem In
> 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Ok Rob,
>
> Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a
total
> of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
> this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock,
and
> again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase
and
> the part on hand status form.
>
> There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
> running in a single plant, single company scenario.
>
> So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect that
> it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
>
> Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18 available
(
> wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
> right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
>
> Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
>
> Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I am
> stumped...! ;o)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same
part
> using these 3 different tools?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> >
> > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem
> In 8.03.305K
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> > something wrong ?
> >
> > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs
to
> > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have
added
> a
> > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release,
and
> > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then
locked
> > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and
I
> > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> >
> > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released.
The
> > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
> > have run the production planning process.
> >
> > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie
> up
> > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> >
> > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

Hi Nick,

I hope it's not something serious - we've been looking into upgrading
(we're still on 6.1), but this would be a serious problem for us also.

Liz


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of nmtaylor1969
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In
8.03.305K



Hi Liz,

The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they are
inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
inventory transactions currently exist against it.

Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the job
BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere down
the line...

Many thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@...> wrote:

>
> Nick,
>
> Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from

stock?

>
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench

Problem In

> 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Ok Rob,
>
> Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a

total

> of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
> this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock,

and

> again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase

and

> the part on hand status form.
>
> There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
> running in a single plant, single company scenario.
>
> So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect that
> it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
>
> Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18 available

(

> wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
> right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
>
> Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
>
> Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I am
> stumped...! ;o)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same

part

> using these 3 different tools?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> >
> > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem
> In 8.03.305K
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> > something wrong ?
> >
> > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs

to

> > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have

added

> a
> > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release,

and

> > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then

locked

> > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and

I

> > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> >
> > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released.

The

> > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
> > have run the production planning process.
> >
> > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie
> up
> > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> >
> > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

I have just checked the first job ( the one in which I did not
increase the quantity ), and this would look to be showing sensible
data. The available quantity is in sync with the on-hand quantity and
the time phase.

I am going to see if I can get Epicor support to look at this on
Tuesday. I am concerned that increasing the quantity has messed
something up somewhere.

I will let you know the outcome...

Be careful with upgrading. We have not gone up to 8.03.4xx due to the
problems / bugs associated with it. I believe the latest release is
out now and this should have fixed many of the issues, but I would
ask the group and see what feedback you get. 8.03.305K seems to be
generally ok, but its not wihtout its problems... ;o(

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I hope it's not something serious - we've been looking into
upgrading
> (we're still on 6.1), but this would be a serious problem for us
also.
>
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem In
> 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
> with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they are
> inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
> inventory transactions currently exist against it.
>
> Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the job
> BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
> process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere down
> the line...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from
> stock?
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of nmtaylor1969
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> Problem In
> > 8.03.305K
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok Rob,
> >
> > Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a
> total
> > of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
> > this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> > requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock,
> and
> > again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase
> and
> > the part on hand status form.
> >
> > There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
> > running in a single plant, single company scenario.
> >
> > So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect
that
> > it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
> >
> > Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18
available
> (
> > wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
> > right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
> >
> > Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
> >
> > Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I
am
> > stumped...! ;o)
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same
> part
> > using these 3 different tools?
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem
> > In 8.03.305K
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> > > something wrong ?
> > >
> > > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs
> to
> > > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have
> added
> > a
> > > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release,
> and
> > > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then
> locked
> > > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date
and
> I
> > > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> > >
> > > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released.
> The
> > > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then
I
> > > have run the production planning process.
> > >
> > > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> > > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to
tie
> > up
> > > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> > >
> > > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

I have just checked the first job ( the one in which I did not
increase the quantity ), and this would look to be showing sensible
data. The available quantity is in sync with the on-hand quantity and
the time phase.

I am going to see if I can get Epicor support to look at this on
Tuesday. I am concerned that increasing the quantity has messed
something up somewhere.

I will let you know the outcome...

Be careful with upgrading. We have not gone up to 8.03.4xx due to the
problems / bugs associated with it. I believe the latest release is
out now and this should have fixed many of the issues, but I would
ask the group and see what feedback you get. 8.03.305K seems to be
generally ok, but its not wihtout its problems... ;o(

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I hope it's not something serious - we've been looking into
upgrading
> (we're still on 6.1), but this would be a serious problem for us
also.
>
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem In
> 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
> with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they are
> inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
> inventory transactions currently exist against it.
>
> Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the job
> BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
> process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere down
> the line...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from
> stock?
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of nmtaylor1969
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> Problem In
> > 8.03.305K
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok Rob,
> >
> > Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a
> total
> > of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
> > this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> > requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock,
> and
> > again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase
> and
> > the part on hand status form.
> >
> > There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
> > running in a single plant, single company scenario.
> >
> > So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect
that
> > it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
> >
> > Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18
available
> (
> > wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
> > right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
> >
> > Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
> >
> > Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I
am
> > stumped...! ;o)
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same
> part
> > using these 3 different tools?
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem
> > In 8.03.305K
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> > > something wrong ?
> > >
> > > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs
> to
> > > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have
> added
> > a
> > > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release,
> and
> > > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then
> locked
> > > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date
and
> I
> > > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> > >
> > > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released.
> The
> > > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then
I
> > > have run the production planning process.
> > >
> > > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> > > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to
tie
> > up
> > > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> > >
> > > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

No free beer needed. We found 305("I" I believe) Production Planner WB buggy as heck (and effectively useless as a result) when in the piloting stage. It wasn't until 403("B" I think) that it even seemed to have passable reliability as an application.

- At that stage, we realized it was a poor fit for our process so, now live, we don't even use it on 404.

I'm reasonably sure the wonderful programmers at Epicor broke it again on 404 as I just tried it (after running production planner process) to see if I could reproduce your behavior - and it summarily crashed my whole Vantage session in the process.

I'm not going to do THAT again so I can offer a few guesses at the source of the mismatch.

I believe Production Planner WB bases availability on the Warehouse/Bin the part is default expected to be supplied from (per the scheduled Resource In/Out/Back-flush Whse/Bin set up).

Any chance you only have 18 pc's in the warehouse/bin your multiple job requirements (totalling 24 pc) 'expect' to be supplied from?

For your sake, I hope that ISN'T true as it sounds like it would leave you with a pretty useless tool in Production Planner WB!

Please keep me posted on what learn... I have another daily production planning process that, on our legacy system req'd at most an hour a day - but on Vantage has become a 4 hour tour daily... Over the weekend it occured to me Production Planner WB might be leveraged to improve this process.

(Now I'm VERY leary of it to say the least!)

Thanks

Rob

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 3:08 PM






Ok Rob,

Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a total
of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock, and
again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase and
the part on hand status form.

There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
running in a single plant, single company scenario.

So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect that
it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?

Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18 available (
wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...

Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.

Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I am
stumped...! ;o)

Many thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same part
using these 3 different tools?
>
> Rob
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .>
> Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem
In 8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> something wrong ?
>
> I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs to
> rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have added
a
> new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release, and
> Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then locked
> the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date and I
> didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
>
> I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released. The
> job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then I
> have run the production planning process.
>
> When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to tie
up
> with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
>
> Am I missing the point somewhere ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>

[system]

Hmmm. Jobs carry both a production qty and ORIGINAL qty value. Usually when a job qty is changed (at least from Job Entry), you get prompted as to whether or not you want to reset the original qty...
Â
I wonder if (like in far too many apps recently) the last programmer who touched your version of Prod Planner WB redirected working code to utilize the wrong job qty field.
Â
The Global Rescheduler in 403 & 404 is a perfect example of this: The changes made to the program from 305 resulted in the wrong date fields being used to calculate global scheduling order - AND they drop use of the Job Sched Code scheduling multiplier ENTIRELY as a critical factor used to calculate the relative priorities of jobs (so the highest priority jobs really get 1st crack at capacity).
Â
A total mess (and proof Epicor releases without doing ANY valid functionality testing) now supposedly addressed (nealry a year later) in 405 (which we are about to start testing off line).
Â
Rob

Â

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench Problem In 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 3:53 PM






I have just checked the first job ( the one in which I did not
increase the quantity ), and this would look to be showing sensible
data. The available quantity is in sync with the on-hand quantity and
the time phase.

I am going to see if I can get Epicor support to look at this on
Tuesday. I am concerned that increasing the quantity has messed
something up somewhere.

I will let you know the outcome...

Be careful with upgrading. We have not gone up to 8.03.4xx due to the
problems / bugs associated with it. I believe the latest release is
out now and this should have fixed many of the issues, but I would
ask the group and see what feedback you get. 8.03.305K seems to be
generally ok, but its not wihtout its problems... ;o(

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I hope it's not something serious - we've been looking into
upgrading
> (we're still on 6.1), but this would be a serious problem for us
also.
>
> Liz
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem In
> 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> The problem I am seeing is against raw materials lines associated
> with a manufactured parent part. These are not buy direct they are
> inventory parts. The job has not been released yet therefore no
> inventory transactions currently exist against it.
>
> Thinking about it, the only other possible problem is that the job
> BOM's for this job where pulled from a template job currently in
> process. I just wonder if Vantage has got in a mess somewhere down
> the line...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> ,
> "Elizabeth Hahn" <ehahn@> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > Is the problem part set up as make direct, instead of pull from
> stock?
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups. com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of nmtaylor1969
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:09 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Potential Production Planner WorkBench
> Problem In
> > 8.03.305K
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok Rob,
> >
> > Taking part XYZ, from the job tracker I know that we require a
> total
> > of 24 pcs ( 3 per and 8 units to make ). The time phase confirms
> > this. It is also the next job to be kitted so it's the first
> > requirement in the time phase. I have 34 pcs available in stock,
> and
> > again this is confirmed by the on-hand quantity in the time phase
> and
> > the part on hand status form.
> >
> > There are no other immediate requirements for the part and we are
> > running in a single plant, single company scenario.
> >
> > So, looking at the production planner workbench I would expect
that
> > it would tell me I have full availability for this part, right ?
> >
> > Wrong! it tells me that I require 24 ( right ), I have 18
available
> (
> > wrong ), a shortage of 6 ( also wrong ), and I have consumed 0 (
> > right ). This scenario repeats for many parts...
> >
> > Remember I have upped the quantity on this job from 4 to 8.
> >
> > Ill air freight the beers over if you can find the solution as I
am
> > stumped...! ;o)
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> ,
> > Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Specifically what doesn't 'match up' when looking at the same
> part
> > using these 3 different tools?
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Potential Production Planner WorkBench
Problem
> > In 8.03.305K
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me if they have see this problem or am I doing
> > > something wrong ?
> > >
> > > I have increased an un-released job quantity from 4 pcs to 8pcs
> to
> > > rationalise production flow. Using the job entry form I have
> added
> > a
> > > new demand link to the appropriate sales order line & release,
> and
> > > Vantage then adjusts the job quantity automatically. I then
> locked
> > > the job quantity as production is ahead of the required date
and
> I
> > > didn't want to generate unwanted planning change suggestions.
> > >
> > > I have re-engineered the job but it has not yet been released.
> The
> > > job has been re-scheduled. I have run MRP fully regen, and then
I
> > > have run the production planning process.
> > >
> > > When I review the "shortages for job" tab within the production
> > > planner workbench the available quantities just don't seem to
tie
> > up
> > > with either the part on-hand status or the time phase.
> > >
> > > Am I missing the point somewhere ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


















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