[OT] Web Usage Logging

Can I propose a new Surf Control User Group? We can maybe host a
database of everything we find wrong with the product and use the power
of the group to get the bugs fixed and enhancements we want included in
the program.

Just an off the wall idea.

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Are you having problems with it also?

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


If you find one better, I'd like to know about it if you don't mind. We
currently use SurfControl also.





Sue



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Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging



Not reliable, its very quirky

I do not trust how the categories are set.

The rules do not seem to work.

We have had it for over 2 years and I'm fed up with it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a
hidden share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market
figure out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can
download the current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are
products that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same
hub as your internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a
hub that then links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the
line of all traffic and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the
details. Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it
also actively blocks people from going to some websites while trying to
block intrusions from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the
same game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later
version of Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust
tracked websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early
version of Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track
email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites
you're employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300
employees I just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on
a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the
opportunity I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one
else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please
feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that
it isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to
block or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the
amount of time connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does
not record as much detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by
user. We are trying to pin down some late night high volume usage
possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any
suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging



Can I propose a new Surf Control User Group? We can maybe host a
database of everything we find wrong with the product and use the power
of the group to get the bugs fixed and enhancements we want included in
the program.

Just an off the wall idea.

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Are you having problems with it also?

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


If you find one better, I'd like to know about it if you don't mind. We
currently use SurfControl also.





Sue



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging



Not reliable, its very quirky

I do not trust how the categories are set.

The rules do not seem to work.

We have had it for over 2 years and I'm fed up with it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a
hidden share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market
figure out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can
download the current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are
products that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same
hub as your internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a
hub that then links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the
line of all traffic and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the
details. Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it
also actively blocks people from going to some websites while trying to
block intrusions from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the
same game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later
version of Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust
tracked websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early
version of Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track
email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites
you're employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300
employees I just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on
a PC
.... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the
opportunity I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one
else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please
feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that
it isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to
block or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the
amount of time connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does
not record as much detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by
user. We are trying to pin down some late night high volume usage
possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any
suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Check out www.kyzo.com for their Net-Inter-Net product.
One option is internet filtering and reporting, but it's so much more
including an easy to use and configure mail server with an antivirus/spam
option, backup server, VPN, Intranet...
For the right sized company, this can be an economical method of bringing
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Can I propose a new Surf Control User Group? We can maybe host a
database of everything we find wrong with the product and use the power
of the group to get the bugs fixed and enhancements we want included in
the program.

Just an off the wall idea.

Todd
We have SurfControl ver 5.0.1.39, and I do not have any problems with
it.
It is a far cry from the previous version, and it does a good job of
blocking
Certain types of sites, and I like the web reporting interface.
Do the rules work?

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


We have SurfControl ver 5.0.1.39, and I do not have any problems with it. It is a far cry from the previous version, and it does a good job of blocking Certain types of sites, and I like the web reporting interface.



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Way back when - during the dinosaur age - we tested many filters and
found this to be the best. We've stuck with because we know it and
SurfControl continues to make improvements. If we had a better platform
(old hardware) it would make it easier. It's time to look at
alternatives just to see if we could do better.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging



Are you having problems with it also?

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


If you find one better, I'd like to know about it if you don't mind. We
currently use SurfControl also.





Sue



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
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Not reliable, its very quirky

I do not trust how the categories are set.

The rules do not seem to work.

We have had it for over 2 years and I'm fed up with it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

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Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a
hidden share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market
figure out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can
download the current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are
products that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same
hub as your internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a
hub that then links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the
line of all traffic and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the
details. Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it
also actively blocks people from going to some websites while trying to
block intrusions from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the
same game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later
version of Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust
tracked websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early
version of Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track
email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites
you're employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300
employees I just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on
a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the
opportunity I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one
else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please
feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that
it isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to
block or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the
amount of time connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does
not record as much detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by
user. We are trying to pin down some late night high volume usage
possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any
suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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We only have a few rules for internet usage, they work fine.
We use the email rules to a greater degree and have about 20 rules set
up that work just fine.
Sure, I'd be willing to start a group on SurfControl. Taking the hint from
other user's groups ... how does $ 399/yr sound?

If about 500 of you folks are willing to join I'd be happy to admin the new
group from some place warm and sandy.

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Can I propose a new Surf Control User Group? We can maybe host a
database of everything we find wrong with the product and use the power
of the group to get the bugs fixed and enhancements we want included in
the program.

Just an off the wall idea.

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Are you having problems with it also?

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


If you find one better, I'd like to know about it if you don't mind. We
currently use SurfControl also.





Sue



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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging



Not reliable, its very quirky

I do not trust how the categories are set.

The rules do not seem to work.

We have had it for over 2 years and I'm fed up with it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a
hidden share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market
figure out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can
download the current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are
products that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same
hub as your internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a
hub that then links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the
line of all traffic and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the
details. Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it
also actively blocks people from going to some websites while trying to
block intrusions from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the
same game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later
version of Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust
tracked websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early
version of Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track
email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites
you're employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300
employees I just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on
a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the
opportunity I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one
else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please
feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that
it isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to
block or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the
amount of time connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does
not record as much detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by
user. We are trying to pin down some late night high volume usage
possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any
suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Todd,

I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.

Yeah, sure ...

In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle for a
product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
staple to user's foreheads.

When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would print off
a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them privately
with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their boss.

An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
give it to the president of the company every few weeks.

But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to block it.
If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire ... what
exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity does a
company loose once it goes down that road?

Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises because YOU
might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...

Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of money ...

Todd Anderson

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a
hidden share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market
figure out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can
download the current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are
products that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same
hub as your internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a
hub that then links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the
line of all traffic and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the
details. Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it
also actively blocks people from going to some websites while trying to
block intrusions from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the
same game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later
version of Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust
tracked websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early
version of Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track
email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites
you're employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300
employees I just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on
a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the
opportunity I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one
else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please
feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that
it isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to
block or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the
amount of time connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does
not record as much detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by
user. We are trying to pin down some late night high volume usage
possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any
suggestions?

Thanks,
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Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Hi,

My own experience with surfcontrol suggests that is a very good
product. However, when setting rules you need make sure that they are
closed loop rules especially when restricting access on a time basis.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "PLAMAN DICK" <dick.plaman@...> wrote:
>
> We only have a few rules for internet usage, they work fine.
> We use the email rules to a greater degree and have about 20 rules
set
> up that work just fine.
>
As long as we're splitting hairs... depending on the format of an incoming
email and how well your SPAM filtering is working; html messages with links
will appear in the web logs as internet activity by the recipient.

While I'm atop my soapbox... We have 250-275 employees with defined breaks
when personal browsing is allowed as long as it is within the bounds of our
acceptable use. Where I have a problem is hourly staff who are clocked into
jobs racking up jobcost$ while surfing non-work related material outside of
the break periods... A comparison of your logged web activity to the
JobAssembly labor detail would be shocking for some of you especially when
you quantify it in terms of dollar$ (jobcost, burden, etc). How bout all
that overtime too... Time theft is still stealing.

A clearly defined policy, time stamped documentation of activity and swift
retribution!
If I had my way I'd ban all personal browsing at work.

Sorry, I'm $.04 over my $.02 worth ;)

Lee

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Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Web Usage Logging


Hi,

My own experience with surfcontrol suggests that is a very good
product. However, when setting rules you need make sure that they are
closed loop rules especially when restricting access on a time basis.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "PLAMAN DICK" <dick.plaman@...> wrote:
>
> We only have a few rules for internet usage, they work fine.
> We use the email rules to a greater degree and have about 20 rules
set
> up that work just fine.
>







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If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company with a
report of the president's activities would be equally informative?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

Todd,

I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.

Yeah, sure ...

In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle for a
product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
staple to user's foreheads.

When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would print off
a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them privately
with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their boss.

An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
give it to the president of the company every few weeks.

But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to block it.
If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire ... what
exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity does a
company loose once it goes down that road?

Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises because YOU
might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...

Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of money ...

Todd Anderson

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Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a hidden
share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market figure
out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can download the
current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are products
that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same hub as your
internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a hub that then
links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the line of all traffic
and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the details.
Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it also actively
blocks people from going to some websites while trying to block intrusions
from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the same
game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later version of
Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust tracked
websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early version of
Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites you're
employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300 employees I
just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the opportunity
I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that it
isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to block
or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the amount of time
connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does not record as much
detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by user. We are trying
to pin down some late night high volume usage possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Well, in a privately held company that ain't going to happen.
As Mel Brooks said, "It's GOOD to be the king!"
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company with a
report of the president's activities would be equally informative?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

Todd,

I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.

Yeah, sure ...

In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle for a
product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
staple to user's foreheads.

When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would print off
a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them privately
with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their boss.

An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
give it to the president of the company every few weeks.

But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to block it.
If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire ... what
exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity does a
company loose once it goes down that road?

Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises because YOU
might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...

Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of money ...

Todd Anderson

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


What are your issues with SurfControl?

Todd

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I would not recommend Surfcontrol. I am actually looking to replace it.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Todd,

Spectorsoft is great for -a- PC. Even for a home network of 2-5 PC's.
You can install the viewer on a networked PC to view the stash via a hidden
share. If you're interested I'll explain the details.

However, you should know that Spectorsoft is a high end "SPYWARE"
program and every 6-10 months the Anti-Spyware programs on the market figure
out how to find it and disable it. At which time you can download the
current version and leapfrog the competition.

Having said that ... if you want to track EVERY keystroke, IM, email,
webpage etc on a given PC Spectorsoft is insidious. Almost scary.
PERFECT for keeping track of your kids or your spouse. Seriously!

On a business network ... it's so so because of the anti-spyware issue.

Consider something like SurfControl or Etrust instead. These are products
that you would install on a PC that is connected to the same hub as your
internet feed. IE. run a line from your main switch to a hub that then
links to your main firewall. These products -sniff- the line of all traffic
and save a log of who went where. Etrust from CA
(ugh) is a pretty decent product although you can get lost in the details.
Not only does it record whats going on with the traffic it also actively
blocks people from going to some websites while trying to block intrusions
from the outside that get through your firewall.
Complicated product with iffy tech support. Surfcontrol also plays the same
game. I've used an early version of Surfcontrol and a later version of
Etrust. Both had their merits. The later version of eTrust tracked
websites and email. Don't know about Surfcontrol. The early version of
Surfcontrol I used had a nicer interface but did not track email.

You need to decide what the company want's to know? What web sites you're
employees are going to? How much time they are wasting? Email?
IM? Music? etc?

After 3-4 years of tracking this stuff at a company with 120-300 employees I
just got to the point where I hated being the Internet cop.
The political issues just sucked.

Recommendation - down load a trial version of Surfcontrol ... put it on a PC
... and then instruct your HR manager on how to use it. Let them be
the
nasty person. IT managers take enough crap as is. Given the opportunity
I'd setup the software and delegate the paddle to some one else.

Todd Anderson

P.S. If you --really-- want to know how I feel about this issue please feel
free to contact me off list ... :)

P.P.S. If you would like to hear about the Sales Manager who swore that it
isn't porn if they're pretty ... That's another offlist conversation.

P.P.P.S If this sounded a bit cynical. My apologies - it's been a long
day.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


I have been asked to find a way to log web usage. Not necessarily to block
or control....just log web sites visited and if possible the amount of time
connected. I've used our SonicWall before but it does not record as much
detail as desired....just the total MB transferred by user. We are trying
to pin down some late night high volume usage possibly related to game
playing (MUDs, etc...) by people supposedly working. Especially by
users
savvy enough to wipe IE history, temp files and cookies. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against
the law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management
if they don't pay attention to disclosures required by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit,
waiting to happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD
There are other things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company with a
> report of the president's activities would be equally informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
> switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a
> product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
> staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately
> with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their
> boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
> give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what
> exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity
> does a
> company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
> barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises
> because YOU
> might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>
We use Websense at our company. Our owner has only two rules, no porn and no job searching on his dime. So we filter everyone on those categories. Some of our Managers have asked me to put time restrictions on certain employees who they feel are spending too much time goofing off on the net.
We also provide automated weekly reports to our HR that gives them summaries of time on the internet. Seems to work well.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against
the law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management
if they don't pay attention to disclosures required by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit,
waiting to happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD
There are other things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company with a
> report of the president's activities would be equally informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
> switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a
> product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
> staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately
> with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their
> boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
> give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what
> exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity
> does a
> company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
> barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises
> because YOU
> might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>




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Recent legal precedence would indicate that there may be a problem with
attempting to restrict internet access.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12462332

Although management may have a deleterious opinion of web use, the courts
have found it to be informational and innocuous.

Let the lawsuits begin.

mjb

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
RICH WAGNER
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

We use Websense at our company. Our owner has only two rules, no porn and
no job searching on his dime. So we filter everyone on those categories.
Some of our Managers have asked me to put time restrictions on certain
employees who they feel are spending too much time goofing off on the net.
We also provide automated weekly reports to our HR that gives them summaries
of time on the internet. Seems to work well.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rich Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against the
law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management if they don't pay attention to disclosures required
by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit, waiting to
happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD There are other
things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company
> with a report of the president's activities would be equally informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking
> and switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports
> that I can staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts
> go to their boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report
> and give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much
> productivity does a company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance
> cameras, barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the
> premises because YOU might get sick and it might cost THE company
> money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>




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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links










Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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Rich,

If I may ask ... what's the pricing like with Websense?

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
RICH WAGNER
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


We use Websense at our company. Our owner has only two rules, no porn and
no job searching on his dime. So we filter everyone on those categories.
Some of our Managers have asked me to put time restrictions on certain
employees who they feel are spending too much time goofing off on the net.
We also provide automated weekly reports to our HR that gives them summaries
of time on the internet. Seems to work well.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rich Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against
the law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management
if they don't pay attention to disclosures required by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit,
waiting to happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD
There are other things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company with a
> report of the president's activities would be equally informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking and
> switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a
> product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports that I can
> staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately
> with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts go to their
> boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report and
> give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what
> exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much productivity
> does a
> company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance cameras,
> barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the premises
> because YOU
> might get sick and it might cost THE company money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links




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That depends on what the employee is browsing. The article notes that
the employee was using it for News and Travel, both can be considered
comparable to 'a daily newspaper'. It also points out that the activity
"does not interfere with their overall work performance". It also refers
to an employee in a city government position. Private companies
certainly do have the right to block potentially 'offensive' material
such as pornography. Child Pornography is a violation of federal law.
You can't tell me you are going to get away with that. Browsing 'less
respectable' web sites such as gaming and gambling sites can result in a
malware infection of the users PC or the corporate network. For that
reason it is acceptable to restrict access to certain types of sites
that may cause harm to the corporate computing environment. We also
consider ourselves an "at will employer", short way of saying we can
fire you whenever we want.

Pretty broad brush stroke to say 'courts have found it to be
informational and innocuous.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Recent legal precedence would indicate that there may be a problem with
attempting to restrict internet access.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12462332

Although management may have a deleterious opinion of web use, the
courts
have found it to be informational and innocuous.

Let the lawsuits begin.

mjb

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
RICH WAGNER
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

We use Websense at our company. Our owner has only two rules, no porn
and
no job searching on his dime. So we filter everyone on those
categories.
Some of our Managers have asked me to put time restrictions on certain
employees who they feel are spending too much time goofing off on the
net.
We also provide automated weekly reports to our HR that gives them
summaries
of time on the internet. Seems to work well.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Rich Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against
the
law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management if they don't pay attention to disclosures
required
by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit,
waiting to
happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD There are
other
things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company
> with a report of the president's activities would be equally
informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking
> and switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports
> that I can staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts
> go to their boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report

> and give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much
> productivity does a company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance
> cameras, barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the
> premises because YOU might get sick and it might cost THE company
> money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>




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For this reason our Internet Usage Policy is well defined, checked by our attorny and signed by each employee. Besides, in the present request that started the whole discussion, it would not have mattered if it was internet related. The employee claims to have been working until late at night and still not able to get the job tasks completed but is suspected of playing an online game for most of that time. Could have just as easily been a local game. The issues are "getting the job done" and lying about their activity - monitoring the web usage is just one tool in this one particular case.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging


Recent legal precedence would indicate that there may be a problem with
attempting to restrict internet access.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12462332

Although management may have a deleterious opinion of web use, the courts
have found it to be informational and innocuous.

Let the lawsuits begin.

mjb

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
RICH WAGNER
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

We use Websense at our company. Our owner has only two rules, no porn and
no job searching on his dime. So we filter everyone on those categories.
Some of our Managers have asked me to put time restrictions on certain
employees who they feel are spending too much time goofing off on the net.
We also provide automated weekly reports to our HR that gives them summaries
of time on the internet. Seems to work well.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rich Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging

I just needed to dump my 2 cents into this.

Check your individual state laws FIRST.

Monitoring employees web usage without their knowledge may be against the
law.

Does your state require a signed statement telling the employee they are
being monitored?
Does your state require a daily notice (perhaps their homepage) of the
monitoring?

Monitoring software is useful, but its presence can also turn ugly, very
quickly, for management if they don't pay attention to disclosures required
by the law.

Think of this a computer version of a sexual harassment law suit, waiting to
happen.
People can get very an_l about their privacy.

This software is not like installing Vantage, Office or CAD There are other
things to think about besides the license agreement.

I'm not saying don't do it.
Just do it right.

Regards,

Rich



Michael Barry wrote:
> If current events are any indicator, perhaps providing the company
> with a report of the president's activities would be equally informative?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Todd Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Web Usage Logging
>
> Todd,
>
> I used SurfControl about 8 years ago because of the iffy web blocking
> and switched to eTrust thinking it would be better.
>
> Yeah, sure ...
>
> In the meantime, with a few more gray hairs on my head ... I'd settle
> for a product that simply logs activity and prints nice clean reports
> that I can staple to user's foreheads.
>
> When I had SurfControl I used to setup new PCs for users and give them
> access with no additional commentary. About a week later I would
> print off
> a list of every website they had visited and would give it to them
> privately with the msg that they get the first one, future printouts
> go to their boss.
>
> An interesting variation would be to print a company wide usage report
> and give it to the president of the company every few weeks.
>
> But in the end, it isn't that we can't track this stuff or try to
> block it.
> If you have to spy on your employees to get the behavior you desire
> ... what exactly does that say about trust and respect? How much
> productivity does a company loose once it goes down that road?
>
> Stack this right up there with random drug testing, surveillance
> cameras, barb wire fencing, and of course ... no SMOKING on the
> premises because YOU might get sick and it might cost THE company
> money ...
>
> Oh for the good old days when the goal was simply to make lots of
> money ...
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> _____
>
>




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We have used Surfcontrol for a few years as well, and have experienced
some of the same types of issues that have been mentioned. We have
actually been trying to find an alternative product, but have not had
much success. Does anybody know any viable alternatives that allow
time-based filtering per active directory user? One product we looked
at was 8e6, but it did not seem to have this capability. Websense
also does not seem to do exactly what we want it to.

Ryan