OT:W2000 Upgrade?

PS - I wouldn't recommend upgrading the OS for the faint of heart. And
certainly not w/o having a more than competant consultant standing right
there. But when there is no other choice, I'm here to tell you that it can
be done without too many issues.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:33 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade ????


I like clean installs too, and like Jessee that's what I would recommend as
a first choice. We weren't in a position to do that, due to time and
hardware constraints. As far as the headaches went, it was pretty painless
on the servers - a few permissions problems (but I had to learn how they
worked anyway). The McAfee problems occurred on the workstations. And
considering we upgraded 3 servers and 40 workstations to W2K in 4 days
(including revamping emails and some software installs), I think it went
fairly smooth - although you couldn't have told me that at the time.

Gary
One recommendation was to do a clean install to a new domain, and then copy
files over. This is a fairly straight forward network (3 servers - 40
clients), and has no pressing need for Active Directory. Thoughts?

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Still applies. Good luck, Todd. Les... I forgot about this stuff. I'm
glad Todd was there to catch it. Good luck.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Gary,
You wrote this awhile back when I had the same question. If it does not
apply any more let me know. I will be finally doing the upgrade of our
Vantage server (now that the other Exchange 2000/Win2K AD server is stable)
in the next few weekends. As soon as I can schedule the consultant. I'll
be sure to be watching over his shoulder learning all I can. -Todd C.

Previous Response ----------------------------------------------------------
After the upgrade, the Vantage print directory needed security settings
loosened (error messages when printing). Security on one other Vantage
directory (I forget which one - it produced an error message) had to be
loosened. After that we were rolling. Then I set up the security as
recommended in the Epicor "Securing Vantage Files with NT Security" document
on their web site (if you don't have that, I can email it to you). No other
problems since then.

PS - If you upgrade ws's (rather than fresh installs), UNINSTALL your
antivirus software. Our McAfee corrupted the registry on some of our ws's
during the process.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH
-----------------------------------------------------------





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I agree! ESPECIALLY for servers. Clean installs for anything (server or
workstation) will save you MANY headaches in the long run and should operate
much faster than if you were to perform upgrades. Low Level format the hard
drive and do a full clean install is my recommendation. May be more work
right now, but I feel its better to do it while no one is using the server
rather than have problems while people are using it.

Just saves a little bit on the cost of Tylenol when you start getting all
those headaches that start up cause of some registry/Anti-Virus mess that
occurred due to an upgrade.

Just my two cents.

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Tingley [mailto:ltingley@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade ????


One recommendation was to do a clean install to a new domain, and then copy
files over. This is a fairly straight forward network (3 servers - 40
clients), and has no pressing need for Active Directory. Thoughts?

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Still applies. Good luck, Todd. Les... I forgot about this stuff. I'm
glad Todd was there to catch it. Good luck.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Gary,
You wrote this awhile back when I had the same question. If it does not
apply any more let me know. I will be finally doing the upgrade of our
Vantage server (now that the other Exchange 2000/Win2K AD server is stable)
in the next few weekends. As soon as I can schedule the consultant. I'll
be sure to be watching over his shoulder learning all I can. -Todd C.

Previous Response ----------------------------------------------------------
After the upgrade, the Vantage print directory needed security settings
loosened (error messages when printing). Security on one other Vantage
directory (I forget which one - it produced an error message) had to be
loosened. After that we were rolling. Then I set up the security as
recommended in the Epicor "Securing Vantage Files with NT Security" document
on their web site (if you don't have that, I can email it to you). No other
problems since then.

PS - If you upgrade ws's (rather than fresh installs), UNINSTALL your
antivirus software. Our McAfee corrupted the registry on some of our ws's
during the process.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH
-----------------------------------------------------------





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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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Never ever ever upgrade the OS on a critical system.....you are asking
for trouble no matter what Microsoft says

Dan Tisone
IS / IT Consultant
dan.tisone@...
(949) 440-3685 x148
Cel (714) 227-4173




-----Original Message-----
From: Les Tingley [mailto:ltingley@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade ????


One recommendation was to do a clean install to a new domain,
and then copy
files over. This is a fairly straight forward network (3 servers
- 40
clients), and has no pressing need for Active Directory.
Thoughts?

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Still applies. Good luck, Todd. Les... I forgot about this
stuff. I'm
glad Todd was there to catch it. Good luck.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Gary,
You wrote this awhile back when I had the same question. If it
does not
apply any more let me know. I will be finally doing the upgrade
of our
Vantage server (now that the other Exchange 2000/Win2K AD server
is stable)
in the next few weekends. As soon as I can schedule the
consultant. I'll
be sure to be watching over his shoulder learning all I can.
-Todd C.

Previous Response
----------------------------------------------------------
After the upgrade, the Vantage print directory needed security
settings
loosened (error messages when printing). Security on one other
Vantage
directory (I forget which one - it produced an error message)
had to be
loosened. After that we were rolling. Then I set up the
security as
recommended in the Epicor "Securing Vantage Files with NT
Security" document
on their web site (if you don't have that, I can email it to
you). No other
problems since then.

PS - If you upgrade ws's (rather than fresh installs), UNINSTALL
your
antivirus software. Our McAfee corrupted the registry on some
of our ws's
during the process.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH
-----------------------------------------------------------





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:
You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:
You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


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You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I like clean installs too, and like Jessee that's what I would recommend as
a first choice. We weren't in a position to do that, due to time and
hardware constraints. As far as the headaches went, it was pretty painless
on the servers - a few permissions problems (but I had to learn how they
worked anyway). The McAfee problems occurred on the workstations. And
considering we upgraded 3 servers and 40 workstations to W2K in 4 days
(including revamping emails and some software installs), I think it went
fairly smooth - although you couldn't have told me that at the time.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade ????


I agree! ESPECIALLY for servers. Clean installs for anything (server or
workstation) will save you MANY headaches in the long run and should operate
much faster than if you were to perform upgrades. Low Level format the hard
drive and do a full clean install is my recommendation. May be more work
right now, but I feel its better to do it while no one is using the server
rather than have problems while people are using it.

Just saves a little bit on the cost of Tylenol when you start getting all
those headaches that start up cause of some registry/Anti-Virus mess that
occurred due to an upgrade.

Just my two cents.

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Tingley [mailto:ltingley@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade ????


One recommendation was to do a clean install to a new domain, and then copy
files over. This is a fairly straight forward network (3 servers - 40
clients), and has no pressing need for Active Directory. Thoughts?

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Still applies. Good luck, Todd. Les... I forgot about this stuff. I'm
glad Todd was there to catch it. Good luck.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT:W2000 Upgrade


Gary,
You wrote this awhile back when I had the same question. If it does not
apply any more let me know. I will be finally doing the upgrade of our
Vantage server (now that the other Exchange 2000/Win2K AD server is stable)
in the next few weekends. As soon as I can schedule the consultant. I'll
be sure to be watching over his shoulder learning all I can. -Todd C.

Previous Response ----------------------------------------------------------
After the upgrade, the Vantage print directory needed security settings
loosened (error messages when printing). Security on one other Vantage
directory (I forget which one - it produced an error message) had to be
loosened. After that we were rolling. Then I set up the security as
recommended in the Epicor "Securing Vantage Files with NT Security" document
on their web site (if you don't have that, I can email it to you). No other
problems since then.

PS - If you upgrade ws's (rather than fresh installs), UNINSTALL your
antivirus software. Our McAfee corrupted the registry on some of our ws's
during the process.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH
-----------------------------------------------------------





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/