[OT] Tape Backup

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A possible solution could be to back up your most critical stuff offsite
over the net. I use the Disk to Disk to Tape currently, but hope to
replace the Tape with an offsite location.



Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup



Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals
for tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more
tapes to backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site"
requirements from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on
one tape. Most seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the
highly redundant RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at
least a weekly backup set at home 12 miles away from the office and
nightly sets in a fireproof vault in a concrete tunnel under the
building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals for tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more tapes to backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site" requirements from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on one tape. Most seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the highly redundant RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at least a weekly backup set at home 12 miles away from the office and nightly sets in a fireproof vault in a concrete tunnel under the building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Hi Todd,

We use hard disk backup. I use Symantec Livestate (or two other brands
out there - Acronis and something else). Our Livestate is doing fairly
well after a couple of years of breaking in. Backup all our servers to
one server with hot-swappable drives. You could use a few 500G HD's
and/or another server instead of 10 tapes for 1.5T. Whether you use
hard disk or tape is going to probably end up being a matter of
individual preference and opinion - based on your specific
likes/dislikes/needs.

We store daily backups of all the servers on a hot-swappable HD in the
backup server for a whole month of incrementals. Then at end of the
month, the backup hard drive is swapped and stored in the firesafe - one
for each month (still cheaper than a tape-drive system and media). And
a yearly backup for the firesafe then re-use the monthly HDs. Periodic
offsite backups. Hard drives are not that much bigger than tapes.

There are some conflicts between SQL database backups and Symantec
services. Other than that it's been working ok for us. And restoring
is as easy as opening a file on your server - point and click.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup

Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals
for tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more
tapes to backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site"
requirements from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on
one tape. Most seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the
highly redundant RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at
least a weekly backup set at home 12 miles away from the office and
nightly sets in a fireproof vault in a concrete tunnel under the
building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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I use an external hard drives 250GB to back up 4 servers every night. Takes
about 3-4 hours to back up a total of almost 200GB (compressed). To manage
this check out Ultra back software http://www.ultrabac.com/ Corp version was
about $800. The drives (5 for each night of the week) were about $150 ea; 1
hot swappable bay - www. <http://www.cru-dataport.com/> cru-dataport.com/ .
Very inexpensive, very easy to manage and easy to carry off site.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup

Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals for
tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more tapes to
backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site" requirements
from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on one tape. Most
seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the highly redundant
RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at least a weekly backup
set at home 12 miles away from the office and nightly sets in a fireproof
vault in a concrete tunnel under the building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Todd,



Since you are looking to implement an iSCSI SAN you may want to take a look
at any number of vendors who are offering iSCSI VTL (Virtual Tape Library)
solutions. They offer the speed of disk based backup with the vaultability
of tape systems while remaining compatible with existing tape based backup
software products.



Regards,



Michael





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Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup



Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals for
tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more tapes to
backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site" requirements
from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on one tape. Most
seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the highly redundant
RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at least a weekly backup
set at home 12 miles away from the office and nightly sets in a fireproof
vault in a concrete tunnel under the building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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We are using Backup Exec 11 with an LTO-0 drive which is not worth anything
to us anymore. It takes me four tapes to complete a FULL backup of our
network. Our incrementals on the other hand are about 75 gigs each. I run
those daily and a Full Weekly. I keep a month of backup takes on rotation.
Mon-Thursday are differential backups and Friday is our full backup. I'm
looking for a new solution also.

On 4/18/07, Stan Chmura <schmura@...> wrote:
>
> I use an external hard drives 250GB to back up 4 servers every night.
> Takes
> about 3-4 hours to back up a total of almost 200GB (compressed). To manage
> this check out Ultra back software http://www.ultrabac.com/ Corp version
> was
> about $800. The drives (5 for each night of the week) were about $150 ea;
> 1
> hot swappable bay - www. <http://www.cru-dataport.com/> cru-dataport.com/.
> Very inexpensive, very easy to manage and easy to carry off site.
>
> _____
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> Todd Caughey
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup
>
> Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
> tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals
> for
> tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more tapes to
> backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site" requirements
> from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on one tape. Most
> seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the highly redundant
> RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at least a weekly
> backup
> set at home 12 miles away from the office and nightly sets in a fireproof
> vault in a concrete tunnel under the building.
>
> So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
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I have an LTO2 tape loader from Overlandstorage. It's called a
loaderexpress. I have had good service with it. Their support is awesome.
I'm using Symantec's Veritas Backup Exec 10.X software. We backup to a REO
unit over iSCSI interface during the day, then burn that to tape. Plus once
a week do a backup of all our servers and critical data straight to tape.
They have newer hardware now, but are a good company. I purchased through
www.zones.com <http://www.zones.com>

www.overlandstoreage.com <http://www.overlandstoreage.com>

Paul L.


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup



Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals for
tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more tapes to
backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site" requirements
from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on one tape. Most
seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the highly redundant
RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at least a weekly backup
set at home 12 miles away from the office and nightly sets in a fireproof
vault in a concrete tunnel under the building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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IMO, Tape backups are going the way of 8-trac tapes.

Hot swappable disk based backup appliances from Snap, Buffalo, etc are
comparable in cost to a Tape backup w/ tapes.

They hold more, are allot faster, and work with mainstream backup
management apps such as Brightstor and Backup Exec.

It's a no-brainer.

Another thing about Disk Based systems to consider, if you need more
backup capacity simply purchase larger drives and swap them out, try
swapping a DLT 80/160 tape with a DLT 160/320 tape and see how far that
gets you.



Gerard M Wadman

Sr. Network Systems Engineer



Scandius BioMedical Inc.

11A Beaver Brook Road

Littleton, MA 01460



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Tape Backup



Just curious what people are having success with as far as high capacity
tape backup. In conjunction with our SAN project have several proposals
for tape backup. Some advocate autoloaders that will take 10 or more
tapes to backup 1.5TB. A lot of tapes to drag home to meet "off-site"
requirements from our auditors. Others push DLT-S4 that can hold that on
one tape. Most seem to think we don't need tape backup at all with the
highly redundant RAIDed SAN systems. Right. I sleep much better with at
least a weekly backup set at home 12 miles away from the office and
nightly sets in a fireproof vault in a concrete tunnel under the
building.

So what do you use to backup 1TB or more and are you happy with it?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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