(OT) MS Office Alternatives

Let's not forget about PC Suite from 602 Software

http://www.software602.com/

I found this one to be as good as Star Office with a much smaller
"footprint", and like Open Office it is free.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:11 AM
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Interesting that so many have tried this. Our company decided to try
OpenOffice.org on a large scale 6 mo ago. I've been using it myself for
a
year. I'm still using it - prefer it to Office 2000. The authors did a
good job on it. But I think stopped short of where they need to be.

But had nothing but problems from users when it comes to their ability
to
format in such a way that documents will be able to be read back and
forth
with MS Office. I haven't had that much time to tinker with it, and we
need
good interfacing with our customers, so we are updating everyone to MS
Office XP. There are other reasons other than OpenOffice.org's
shortcomings, but after all the trouble I can't recommend it for overall
network use.

It also has problems dealing with various users on one workstation in
W2K.
I still haven't figured out how to get a foolproof install that will
work
with multiple users. If anyone has figured this out for sure, I'd be
real
interested to see how you do it.

But like I said, I'm still using it myself. It is very good at a lot of
things. The authors need to work on compatability a little more and
ease of
installation, if they want to take over the world from Microsoft.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH




-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Shafer [mailto:rshafer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


Marty,

I have used both Star Office and Open Office on my personal PC and my PC
at
work for evaluation purposes.
If your user is doing simple word processing and spreadsheets your
search is
over.

Go with Open Office.

First of all, its compatability with current MS Office file formatting
is
very good in both reading and saving as those types of files.
Second, it is free.
Third, If your user is at all capable in using MS Office products you
should
find their learning curve more of a learning bump.

Download it at www.openoffice.org and give it a spin.
I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

Star Office is a strong second for all of the same reasons as above.
The major differences are the costs and document templates and support.

If you are using sophisticated Macros then I suggest you proceed
cautiously
with both Open Office and Star Office
As I believe they are not as strong in that department as MS Office.

Currently out of about 30 PC's on my network we could reliably replace
MS
Office on all but one.
i.e.
If I had to drop all of my MS Products today, I would instantly load
Open
Office on every PC in the building.




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We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
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Marty:
I've been checking out Ebay for MS Office and found some really good buys that way....

----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Kuphall
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...



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They have the ability to read and write MS Office files. I use StarOffice
at home because I use Linux at home. I do eagerly await for KOffice to be
able to do the same.

They are not an exact alternative, but they do the job for most word and
excel documents.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Kuphall [mailto:marty.kuphall@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS
Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word
and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500
for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they
the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...




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Marty,

I purchased StarOffice at Best Buy for $75.00 we are testing it now. My plan is
to use purchase a 25 user license for $1,750.00 or so and use it plant wide.

It has worked well for us so far, and at a far less cost.

Bruce
PPI



-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Kuphall [mailto:marty.kuphall@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...




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OpenOffice is an open source alternative, StarOffice is based upon
OpenOffice. I am not sure what tweaks Sun has done to it though. Both
can save in a .DOC format although funky formatting do not always carry
over correctly.

Why don't you have this person use Wordpad that comes with the OS?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Kuphall [mailto:marty.kuphall@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and
install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your
basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about
shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice
(are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still
recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...




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We played with StarOffice for awhile but never really adopted it, too many slight differences so there was a learning curve and support issue. Also have been trying out MS-Works (don't laugh) because for most of our people it is still more powerful than they will use. There is a version of Works with Word as the word processor. But Excel might still be an issue if need is beyond basic cell calcs. But it does offer file compatibility with Office.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Kuphall [mailto:marty.kuphall@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...




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If you are considering StarOffice, you should also check
OpenOffice.org(OOo). OOo is based on StarOffice and is open source, i.e.
free. I have not checked this out for myself, but I think is just as viable
as StarOffice.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone: 401-596-0162 x110
Fax: 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com


-----Original Message-----
From: BRUCE PALMER [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:57 PM
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Marty,

I purchased StarOffice at Best Buy for $75.00 we are testing it now. My plan
is
to use purchase a 25 user license for $1,750.00 or so and use it plant wide.

It has worked well for us so far, and at a far less cost.

Bruce
PPI



-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Kuphall [mailto:marty.kuphall@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS
Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word
and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500
for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they
the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...




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At 02:35 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
>same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended

Star Office and Open Office.org are essentially the same product, and for
word processing and spreadsheet use, THEY ROCK!

Star Office 6.0 is sold by Sun for about $75 (available at Staples and most
office stores.) That gets you some extras, like:
* tech support
* a CD-Rom with windoze and unix / Linux versions
* some extras, like document samples and templates ("wizards" in MS office)
* A database program, similar to a primitive version of Access.

www.OpenOffice.org 1.0 is the FREE identical twin of S.O., but:
* You have to download about 50 - 70MB.
* doesn't include the templates or DB program.

Both products:
* Run on windoze, SunOS, Linux, and others
* Read and save files in MS Office format with a high degree of compatibility.
* Have extensive features you expect in a mature product, like right-click
context menus, on line help, context sensitive help, customizable toolbars
and menus, etc.

Download a copy and check it out! I'd suggest these customizations:
* Change the units of measure to inches (defaults to metric)
* Change the default file formats to MS Office (if that's your standard)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
Marty,

I have used both Star Office and Open Office on my personal PC and my PC at work for evaluation purposes.
If your user is doing simple word processing and spreadsheets your search is over.

Go with Open Office.

First of all, its compatability with current MS Office file formatting is very good in both reading and saving as those types of files.
Second, it is free.
Third, If your user is at all capable in using MS Office products you should find their learning curve more of a learning bump.

Download it at www.openoffice.org and give it a spin.
I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

Star Office is a strong second for all of the same reasons as above.
The major differences are the costs and document templates and support.

If you are using sophisticated Macros then I suggest you proceed cautiously with both Open Office and Star Office
As I believe they are not as strong in that department as MS Office.

Currently out of about 30 PC's on my network we could reliably replace MS Office on all but one.
i.e.
If I had to drop all of my MS Products today, I would instantly load Open Office on every PC in the building.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Kuphall
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


We've got an employee that would like to have us purchase and install MS Office
on his portable so he can work at home. He would be doing your basic Word and
Excel documents, nothing fancy. I'm not real excited about shelling out $500 for
this. I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
alternatives? Any other alternatives?

Thanks,

Marty Kuphall
Controller
Ultra Tool & Mfg., Inc.

Ph. 262-703-0455
Fx. 262-703-0468

marty.kuphall@...



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wmc20@... wrote:

>At 02:35 PM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>>I remember previous threads on Star Office and OpenOffice (are they the
>>same thing?). What's the latest info on these? Are they still recommended
>>
>>
>Download a copy and check it out! I'd suggest these customizations:
>* Change the units of measure to inches (defaults to metric)
>* Change the default file formats to MS Office (if that's your standard)
>
>
>
You might also want to check out http://ooextras.sourceforge.net/ if you
are looking for templates and such for OpenOffice.
Interesting that so many have tried this. Our company decided to try
OpenOffice.org on a large scale 6 mo ago. I've been using it myself for a
year. I'm still using it - prefer it to Office 2000. The authors did a
good job on it. But I think stopped short of where they need to be.

But had nothing but problems from users when it comes to their ability to
format in such a way that documents will be able to be read back and forth
with MS Office. I haven't had that much time to tinker with it, and we need
good interfacing with our customers, so we are updating everyone to MS
Office XP. There are other reasons other than OpenOffice.org's
shortcomings, but after all the trouble I can't recommend it for overall
network use.

It also has problems dealing with various users on one workstation in W2K.
I still haven't figured out how to get a foolproof install that will work
with multiple users. If anyone has figured this out for sure, I'd be real
interested to see how you do it.

But like I said, I'm still using it myself. It is very good at a lot of
things. The authors need to work on compatability a little more and ease of
installation, if they want to take over the world from Microsoft.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan OH




-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Shafer [mailto:rshafer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] (OT) MS Office Alternatives


Marty,

I have used both Star Office and Open Office on my personal PC and my PC at
work for evaluation purposes.
If your user is doing simple word processing and spreadsheets your search is
over.

Go with Open Office.

First of all, its compatability with current MS Office file formatting is
very good in both reading and saving as those types of files.
Second, it is free.
Third, If your user is at all capable in using MS Office products you should
find their learning curve more of a learning bump.

Download it at www.openoffice.org and give it a spin.
I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

Star Office is a strong second for all of the same reasons as above.
The major differences are the costs and document templates and support.

If you are using sophisticated Macros then I suggest you proceed cautiously
with both Open Office and Star Office
As I believe they are not as strong in that department as MS Office.

Currently out of about 30 PC's on my network we could reliably replace MS
Office on all but one.
i.e.
If I had to drop all of my MS Products today, I would instantly load Open
Office on every PC in the building.