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system · April 4, 2003, 12:09pm

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · April 4, 2003, 12:17pm

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
Stremel Manufacturing Company

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

<
http://us.ard.yahoo.com/M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=1705
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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system · April 4, 2003, 12:51pm

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems. I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Gilbert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
Stremel Manufacturing Company

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

<
http://us.ard.yahoo.com/M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=1705
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l/S=:HM/A=1523150/rand=696186147>

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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system · April 4, 2003, 4:25pm

Sounds great, what specific programs did you use to write to Vantage via
ODBC? Visual Basic or others? Was wondering if Access or Excel or even
FrontPage is capable of doing something like this.

Thanks,
Jessee Holmes

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems. I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Gilbert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
Stremel Manufacturing Company

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

<
http://us.ard.yahoo.com/M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=1705
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l/S=:HM/A=1523150/rand=696186147>

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >

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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · April 4, 2003, 4:34pm

Access doesn't work very well with the Progress database. It works nice to
give quick queries and a nice view of the tables. I would never trust
Access to update the database.

We have a company Intranet and have several applications written in ASP
(Active Server Pages). These are dynamic web pages with server side
scripting (Visual Basic). I've written several applications that work with
allow users a quick and easy way to add memos to orders, etc... The server
must have Vantage installed (this installs the Progress ODBC drivers). Then
I create a system ODBC connection on the Windows web server (W2K). I do not
(and wouldn't recommend) serving web pages from the Vantage server. After
that I use DAO (Data Access Object) in Visual Basic to communicate with the
database - all calls are standard SQL (select from, insert into, etc...).

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Sounds great, what specific programs did you use to write to Vantage via
ODBC? Visual Basic or others? Was wondering if Access or Excel or even
FrontPage is capable of doing something like this.

Thanks,
Jessee Holmes

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems. I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Gilbert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
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system · April 4, 2003, 4:37pm

Note: when I say the web server has to have Vantage installed, I'm referring
to the Vantage client. It doesn't need the full version of Vantage. I
apologize for any confusion.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Access doesn't work very well with the Progress database. It works nice to
give quick queries and a nice view of the tables. I would never trust
Access to update the database.

We have a company Intranet and have several applications written in ASP
(Active Server Pages). These are dynamic web pages with server side
scripting (Visual Basic). I've written several applications that work with
allow users a quick and easy way to add memos to orders, etc... The server
must have Vantage installed (this installs the Progress ODBC drivers). Then
I create a system ODBC connection on the Windows web server (W2K). I do not
(and wouldn't recommend) serving web pages from the Vantage server. After
that I use DAO (Data Access Object) in Visual Basic to communicate with the
database - all calls are standard SQL (select from, insert into, etc...).

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Sounds great, what specific programs did you use to write to Vantage via
ODBC? Visual Basic or others? Was wondering if Access or Excel or even
FrontPage is capable of doing something like this.

Thanks,
Jessee Holmes

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems. I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Gilbert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 4, 2003, 4:54pm

I use Access to modify simple stuff like order header and order line
comments, copy the same comments into Shipping and Invoicing comments (they
are in the same table), firm order releases, put all orders uploaded with
EDI on hold for review (yes, I am using the EDI module to upload orders),
and basically that is all. I get from our partner, a comma delimited file
that Access converts into an 850 document that Vantage EDI reads.

I will never try to change information in the live database without testing
it thoroughly in a test database (cradle to grave for the record changed). I
will never ADD information in Vantage using Access. It is almost a guarantee
to corrupt your database. I used Ground Control to Add 2500 customers and
near 5000 ship to's for the same project over a weekend. This program
reproduces key strokes enabling the semi-automation of key entry in Vantage.
Good luck and if you decide to use Access and make sure you do it in a test
database first and look at the data from all the angles. Ground Control is a
program by Acrasoft.com

Mario Aguirre
Lakin General

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Somebody out there I'm sure is doing this. However, you are risking
severe corruption of your database. I think a lot of us Vantageites
would like to, but if you do this, any damage you cause will be a
billable fix by Epicor, if fixable at all. Verrrrry risky stuff.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does
this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
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system · April 4, 2003, 4:56pm

Yes Access and Excel are capable of changing Progress tables via ODBC. In
fact, it's so easy that it's a terrible security risk for your database.
Anyone with ODBC can simply link to a Progress table and start editing
fields left and right - using Excel or Access. You probably want to be more
concerned about user's getting to such knowledge than whether or not you
could use such a tool for any good use.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Sounds great, what specific programs did you use to write to Vantage via
ODBC? Visual Basic or others? Was wondering if Access or Excel or even
FrontPage is capable of doing something like this.

Thanks,
Jessee Holmes

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems.
I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your
database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire
network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does
this
and how.

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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
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system · April 4, 2003, 5:07pm

Great! Thanks all for the input on this issue. So far Visual Basic is
seeming the way to go. I'm excited to begin using ODBC to fully corrupt our
database ... (that was a joke).

Anyways, thanks again for the input, at least I have some direction to head
now.

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Access doesn't work very well with the Progress database. It works nice to
give quick queries and a nice view of the tables. I would never trust
Access to update the database.

We have a company Intranet and have several applications written in ASP
(Active Server Pages). These are dynamic web pages with server side
scripting (Visual Basic). I've written several applications that work with
allow users a quick and easy way to add memos to orders, etc... The server
must have Vantage installed (this installs the Progress ODBC drivers). Then
I create a system ODBC connection on the Windows web server (W2K). I do not
(and wouldn't recommend) serving web pages from the Vantage server. After
that I use DAO (Data Access Object) in Visual Basic to communicate with the
database - all calls are standard SQL (select from, insert into, etc...).

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Sounds great, what specific programs did you use to write to Vantage via
ODBC? Visual Basic or others? Was wondering if Access or Excel or even
FrontPage is capable of doing something like this.

Thanks,
Jessee Holmes

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

In addition to the UserFields, I write to VB Form fields and add Memos to
the Memo table with ODBC on a daily basis.

We've done this for more than a year (both in 4.0 and 5.1) - no problems. I
spent a considerable amount of time researching everything I've written to
to make sure there were no dependencies in other areas of Vantage. I also
spent plenty of time with our test database before I implemented anything
live.

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Gilbert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

I regularly write to UserFields through Access ODBC and have had no
problems.

Todd Gilbert
Altair Technologies, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Well the only thing that I was concerned about keeping it on list with is
that I know its DEFINITELY not recommended by Epicor ... HOWEVER, it is
possible and I'm going to start digging into it as to how to do it.

Using INSERT, UPDATE, or DELETE in a ODBC SQL query to Progress Vantage
Database is a very dangerous thing to do. So if anyone else dares try
anything like this, I HIGHLY recommend using a TEST VERSION OF your database
on a machine off your Vantage Server and better yet, off the entire network.

Just thought it might be wise in keeping it off list. But I can definitely
let you know some of my results (and problems).

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Zywiec [mailto:ed.zywiec@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:46 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Could you keep this on list? I'm interested in knowing if anyone does this
and how.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage and ODBC

Anyone out there using ODBC to WRITE data INTO vantage from third party
program's (i.e. Excel, Access, Visual Basic)?

If so, please contact me off list, I'd like to ask a couple simple
questions.

Jessee Holmes
jholmes@...
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system · April 7, 2003, 5:01pm

All right,

Hopefully I don't start anything by this email, but what do people know
about Vantage running on a 64-bit system (i.e. Itanium, AMD, IBM, etc.).

1) Does Vantage utilize 64-bit processing?
2) Will Vantage 7.0 (.NET) utilize 64-bit Processing?
3) Which 64-bit Processors would you recommend? 32-bit?
4) Can Vantage run on Apple or IBM machines (UNIX Driven)? Will it anytime
soon?
5) Are there bottlenecks to consider in hardware when using a 64-bit
processor?

These are all the questions I can think of regarding this issue for right
now, but our company is going to be in the market for a new server here in
about a year. However, they are very interested in looking into 64-bit
processing, so I'm trying to round up all the information I can regarding
this issue and give them my recommendation on the matter.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

system · April 9, 2003, 11:30am

I'm currently using C++ & ODBC (DAO) in several utility apps
for both reading and writing to the database...
be EXTEMELY careful if writing -- just because the
referential integrity is there, the LOGICAL integrity
(depending on the vantage programming) can still be corrupted...

The ODBC connections are very dangerous -- you could hop into
a common pc app and in 10 steps, give yourself system
manager capabilities in vantage.
I prefer to write the ODBC programs as client/server with the
ODBC portion on the server, then the user connects via a
client app.

========================================
Mark Fostervold
Systems Analyst / DB Admin

BAE SYSTEMS Precision Aerostructures
Wellington, KS
Vantage 5.20.313
========================================

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is

corrupt our

direction to head

system · April 9, 2003, 12:00pm

Great, thank you for the input.

-----Original Message-----
From: fossbae [mailto:markf@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage and ODBC

I'm currently using C++ & ODBC (DAO) in several utility apps for both
reading and writing to the database...
be EXTEMELY careful if writing -- just because the
referential integrity is there, the LOGICAL integrity (depending on the
vantage programming) can still be corrupted...

The ODBC connections are very dangerous -- you could hop into
a common pc app and in 10 steps, give yourself system
manager capabilities in vantage.
I prefer to write the ODBC programs as client/server with the ODBC
portion on the server, then the user connects via a
client app.

========================================
Mark Fostervold
Systems Analyst / DB Admin

BAE SYSTEMS Precision Aerostructures
Wellington, KS
Vantage 5.20.313
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is

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system · April 10, 2003, 11:30am

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

system · April 10, 2003, 11:43am

We use something called AVIRT Gateway Suite for internal email
Is not free but pretty inexpensive
When I got here (A little over a year ago) the software was used for
both internal email and a gateway to get our users on the internet
Since then I have upgraded our internet service and bought a firewall
so I do not need the gateway portion of the software
But it works great for our internal email

I think you can even download a 30 day eval

Check it out

http://www.avirt.com

I think you are going to see alot of anti microsoft sentiments out
there building there is a website out there now call
F&*$microsoft.com (censored)

It has alot of useful info on it
Despite the not so good domain name

system · April 10, 2003, 11:48am

Do you need a client or a server?

We use Linux (sendmail) for our mail server. No complaints.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone: 401-596-0162 x110
Fax: 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 10, 2003, 11:51am

Jessee,

Not a solution ... Just an observation ...

MS has always understood inter-related upgraded cycles. If you rewrite
MS-Office to take advantage of new features in Win-2000 or Win-XP how do you
maintain compatibility with Win-95/98 ???

Ok, that's the nice side of the conversation.

The other side is that if you do upgrade an operating system how do you make
sure that ALL related software needs to be upgraded? So if MS can get you
to upgrade to Win-2000 on the desktop which at some point Forces/Encourages
you to upgrade to Win-2000-Server which requires an upgrade to Exchange-2000
etc etc etc you can hear the cash register going ding ding ding up in
Redmond.

Bottom line ... I have become VERY hesitant to upgrade ANY MS products in
our network out of concern that it will start a complete upgrade cycle
across my entire network.

Best bet if you want no hassles ? Use the same version of MS products
across the board and understand that any upgrade may involve new pcs and
servers to boot.

Frustrating isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 10, 2003, 11:53am

Really just a client that will run the Microsoft Mail protocol. But even
using something other than the Microsoft Mail protocol would be good as
well.

Linux I hear is a good choice, now I'll see if my company wants to consider
bringing a "NON-Microsoft" machine in here ... Grrrrr.

Thanks

And as for AVIRT I will try that out thank you very much.

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Do you need a client or a server?

We use Linux (sendmail) for our mail server. No complaints.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone: 401-596-0162 x110
Fax: 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 10, 2003, 12:10pm

Do you just use the standard mbox format that sendmail dumps all messages to
or do you have a mail server in addition to Sendmail (which is just a
message transfer agent)? Also, how do you authenticate users from a Windows
domain to access the mailboxes on the Sendmail server? Are you just using
IMAP? Do you have to keep a separate password file for your Linux box,
then?

We have a Linux server running Sendmail that acts as our email gateway - I'm
using RBL's to filter spam and open relays (1000 messages a week filtered
for 40 email accounts). After sendmail is done with it, though, I pass it
on to our Exchange 5.5 server. This has a nice user interface and
scheduling capabilities.

I'm curious about the system you use. Any information you could provide
would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to do away with the Exchange Server
if I can.

Thanks,

Chris Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Do you need a client or a server?

We use Linux (sendmail) for our mail server. No complaints.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone: 401-596-0162 x110
Fax: 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 10, 2003, 12:21pm

Makes Leasing all PC's, Laptops, Servers more attractive. Every 2 or 3 years
give it all back and get new. Resolves a lot of upgrading, incompatibility
and hazardous disposal issues. Might as well do network switchs the same.

Patrick Winter

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Jessee,

Not a solution ... Just an observation ...

MS has always understood inter-related upgraded cycles. If you rewrite
MS-Office to take advantage of new features in Win-2000 or Win-XP how do you
maintain compatibility with Win-95/98 ???

Ok, that's the nice side of the conversation.

The other side is that if you do upgrade an operating system how do you make
sure that ALL related software needs to be upgraded? So if MS can get you
to upgrade to Win-2000 on the desktop which at some point Forces/Encourages
you to upgrade to Win-2000-Server which requires an upgrade to Exchange-2000
etc etc etc you can hear the cash register going ding ding ding up in
Redmond.

Bottom line ... I have become VERY hesitant to upgrade ANY MS products in
our network out of concern that it will start a complete upgrade cycle
across my entire network.

Best bet if you want no hassles ? Use the same version of MS products
across the board and understand that any upgrade may involve new pcs and
servers to boot.

Frustrating isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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system · April 10, 2003, 12:53pm

I wish I could lease, to me that would make the most sense as well. However,
the company does not like that idea. Again, grrrrrr.

Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

-----Original Message-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:21 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Makes Leasing all PC's, Laptops, Servers more attractive. Every 2 or 3 years
give it all back and get new. Resolves a lot of upgrading, incompatibility
and hazardous disposal issues. Might as well do network switchs the same.

Patrick Winter

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Jessee,

Not a solution ... Just an observation ...

MS has always understood inter-related upgraded cycles. If you rewrite
MS-Office to take advantage of new features in Win-2000 or Win-XP how do you
maintain compatibility with Win-95/98 ???

Ok, that's the nice side of the conversation.

The other side is that if you do upgrade an operating system how do you make
sure that ALL related software needs to be upgraded? So if MS can get you
to upgrade to Win-2000 on the desktop which at some point Forces/Encourages
you to upgrade to Win-2000-Server which requires an upgrade to Exchange-2000
etc etc etc you can hear the cash register going ding ding ding up in
Redmond.

Bottom line ... I have become VERY hesitant to upgrade ANY MS products in
our network out of concern that it will start a complete upgrade cycle
across my entire network.

Best bet if you want no hassles ? Use the same version of MS products
across the board and understand that any upgrade may involve new pcs and
servers to boot.

Frustrating isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessee Holmes (Stremel) [mailto:jholmes@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Microsoft Mail (Exchange) in Windows XP

Here is the deal, I'm sick and tired of dealing with Microsoft and their
"incompatibility" problems with newer Operating Systems with a program that
is still commonly used in their NT 4.0 Server system which has not been
"shelved" quite yet.

I am tired of trying to make Windows Messaging work on an XP box by itself
without using Outlook (which costs a license).

1) Does ANYONE have any idea what other FREEWARE program is out there on the
net that will INSTALL AND USE the old "Microsoft Mail" protocol AND YET WORK
ON WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL?

2) What are alternatives to the Microsoft Mail system for internal company
messaging (NOT external)? (Meaning I can't see giving an email address like
"datacollection@...", I would rather have a separate address
book that only our internal servers use with an email address of "Data
Collection")

Any information on this would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
Jessee Holmes
Stremel Manufacturing Company

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