[ot] mcse

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I went to a MCSE boot camp a few years ago and really wasn't impressed by
the company's teachings and the official MS curriculum/doctrine.
Nowadays when hiring IT staff, I tend to ignore any suffixes, and head
straight for the experience section on resume's. I have found that the most
experienced applicants usually have the lowest number of initials after
their name, nor do they tend to value those very highly. I do quiz
applicants extensively on experience to make sure any initials can be backed
with real world knowledge. Any "paper" certificate holders can be filtered
out pretty easily.
If you really want to learn something, I agree with Peter; start tinkering
with some junked machines. Unless your employer is willing to reimburse you
for your course materials and exam fees (probably $100 each). Then I would
build a lab AND take any course/cert track he wants to pay for.

Paul
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>if thou art willing to bear the mark of the
>Flying Window on thy business card.....

Surely you mean 666 ;-)


Well put Thad, I've just signed up with a local training organisation,
fwiw - I have to find 6k (UK Pounds - not US Dollars) and use my holiday
time to attend the courses. My Boss doesn't consider training a priority
and so I have to fund and find the time for myself.

Regards Chris
23
I would agree that though you may learn enough to pass the tests from a boot
camp, taking a self-study program a test at a time, and applying your
knowledge in test and eventually live environments is probably a better
approach. You retain more of what you learn, and become better at what you
do, rather than study for two weeks, pass the tests and wonder 6 months from
now what you actually learned. Plus, self study costs about a third as
much.

Thaddeus Jacobs
Information Solutions Developer
Kinematic Automation, Inc.
mailto:tjacobs@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:09 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MCSE


I went to a MCSE boot camp a few years ago and really wasn't impressed by
the company's teachings and the official MS curriculum/doctrine.
Nowadays when hiring IT staff, I tend to ignore any suffixes, and head
straight for the experience section on resume's. I have found that the most
experienced applicants usually have the lowest number of initials after
their name, nor do they tend to value those very highly. I do quiz
applicants extensively on experience to make sure any initials can be backed
with real world knowledge. Any "paper" certificate holders can be filtered
out pretty easily.
If you really want to learn something, I agree with Peter; start tinkering
with some junked machines. Unless your employer is willing to reimburse you
for your course materials and exam fees (probably $100 each). Then I would
build a lab AND take any course/cert track he wants to pay for.

Paul


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Agree with all those that say experience over letters.

I have an 8 client(mixed O/S, PC/Laptops), 3 server system (NT, 2000
Exchange Server, SBS/EXCH SERV 5.5) between 3 stories at home. I have two
cable modems as input, routed, wireless, etc.....This type of "curiousity"
lab has been my lifestyle since 1979...
(Tongue in cheek and smiling in humor.)
Steve Lemois
MSGT USMC(RET)Aviation
HSDO
HKU
MIS/IT/TELECOMM MGR.



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:09 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MCSE


I went to a MCSE boot camp a few years ago and really wasn't impressed by
the company's teachings and the official MS curriculum/doctrine.
Nowadays when hiring IT staff, I tend to ignore any suffixes, and head
straight for the experience section on resume's. I have found that the most
experienced applicants usually have the lowest number of initials after
their name, nor do they tend to value those very highly. I do quiz
applicants extensively on experience to make sure any initials can be backed
with real world knowledge. Any "paper" certificate holders can be filtered
out pretty easily.
If you really want to learn something, I agree with Peter; start tinkering
with some junked machines. Unless your employer is willing to reimburse you
for your course materials and exam fees (probably $100 each). Then I would
build a lab AND take any course/cert track he wants to pay for.

Paul


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25
Thats an easy one. Just memorize "The software is operating as designed"
and you won't need to know anything.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:22 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MCSE


Paul,

A couple of more things, also check the sites like www.cramsession.com and
others, they can give you a good idea of what type of material is covered by
a cert, and how detailed and hands on it gets...

And finally; I wonder what any ECVE (Epicor Certified Vantage Engineer) exam
would look like....


Cheers,

Paul


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