We bought a box called X-Wall, and while it takes a while to get it set up
to include the people you WANT mail from, it has been a life saver. It was
in the $500 range, looks at the e-mails before they hit the exchange server.
It is worth checking into.
Lydia Co
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Iverson [mailto:siverson@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:56 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
We use Trend Micro's Scan Mail - it does a good job but for us Internet
software and hardware purchasers about 100-150 spams get past the filter
per day per user (3-5 out of a 100 isn't too bad) so we use spambayes on
the workstation. Spambayes is a life saver. The horrible thought is that
soon all our users will be receiving the same amount of spam that gets
past our filter and then we will have to install Spambayes on every
workstation. Since we are a 5-site network with 1 Network Administrator,
this is gonna put a hurt on us.
We would give anything to pay the grandiose amount we do for spam
filtering and actually get at least a 95% quarantine/delete rate at the
server. To maintain our existing email server correctly we would have to
employ someone nearly full time to maintain it. It's impossible with
only one person at the helm.
Food for thought: when the next great (proven) spam filtering software
comes out, INVEST IN IT!!!!! It's going to "kill".
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
I have been gone for a while so I apologize for the late response. In
our environment and from what I read, most others, the biggest problem
with SPAM is lost productivity. Why then would you ask that your clients
be responsible for white listing or black listing their mail? This to me
seems as though it would be more of a loss on productivity than asking
them to simply deal with SPAM by deleting it. Spammers are always trying
to stay one step ahead and will always find a way to penetrate your
defense so your users will be bogged down sorting good and bad mail
indefinitely. The other issue with SPAM in our environment is the
liability of users receiving and being offended by explicit and
offensive content, which a lot of SPAM contains. So if you ask your end
user to sort the SPAM obviously they will still receive and be offended
by this type of content.
In my opinion the best way to reclaim the productivity lost to SPAM and
the liability of having sexual explicit mail being delivered to our
employees is to prevent it from ever getting to the end user. Out of
sight, out of mind. The money I spent on our appliance has long been
reclaimed through efficient filtering prior to delivery and without end
user participation. I currently support 300+ users in 11 locations
across the US and have an IT staff of 1, myself. If I can find an
effective SPAM solution with close to zero administration I will take
it.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Caldwell [mailto:mcaldwell@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
Well I'm going to go out on the limb and disagree with WIN2K's review.
I use GFI's MailEssentials and I am very satisfied with it. I just
upgraded to version 10 last week and love the new features. Setup was
very quick and it comes with many more features than just the anti-spam
function. Like everything its personal preference but I like the fact
users can drag and drop to Public Folders. To me that is just another
way the product can quickly be fine tuned for better performance. The
use of Public Folders will also allow you to quickly and easily train
the Bayesian engine right out of the box. I have not come across the
ability to automate reporting as in Todd's MXTreme but for me its
reporting meets my needs. I am a firm believer of you often get what
you pay for but I think MailEssentials is an exception. I think you'll
have trouble finding a better priced product that performs as well as
MailEssentials.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
I've picked up a bunch of great anti-spam tips from this list (SpamBayes
and ORF in particular) but the volume is getting high enough where I
need a better server solution. The Symantec Exchange features (if the
bugs have been fixed in 9.0) are good but don't allow enough user
control.
I am intrigued by GFI's MailEssentials bundle and the ability for users
to drag & drop addresses to a global whitelist. This plus server based
Bayesian filtering (like SpamBayes) that learns from each user for the
benefit of all and the keyword checking all make it sound pretty good.
And a lot less of me running around to individual PCs with SpamBayes or
maintaining our own sender blacklist on the server in ORF.
Anyone out there using this and have any comments on experience with it?
I'm thinking of pitching it to our CEO for approval if it has a good
track record.
Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
to include the people you WANT mail from, it has been a life saver. It was
in the $500 range, looks at the e-mails before they hit the exchange server.
It is worth checking into.
Lydia Co
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Iverson [mailto:siverson@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:56 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
We use Trend Micro's Scan Mail - it does a good job but for us Internet
software and hardware purchasers about 100-150 spams get past the filter
per day per user (3-5 out of a 100 isn't too bad) so we use spambayes on
the workstation. Spambayes is a life saver. The horrible thought is that
soon all our users will be receiving the same amount of spam that gets
past our filter and then we will have to install Spambayes on every
workstation. Since we are a 5-site network with 1 Network Administrator,
this is gonna put a hurt on us.
We would give anything to pay the grandiose amount we do for spam
filtering and actually get at least a 95% quarantine/delete rate at the
server. To maintain our existing email server correctly we would have to
employ someone nearly full time to maintain it. It's impossible with
only one person at the helm.
Food for thought: when the next great (proven) spam filtering software
comes out, INVEST IN IT!!!!! It's going to "kill".
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
I have been gone for a while so I apologize for the late response. In
our environment and from what I read, most others, the biggest problem
with SPAM is lost productivity. Why then would you ask that your clients
be responsible for white listing or black listing their mail? This to me
seems as though it would be more of a loss on productivity than asking
them to simply deal with SPAM by deleting it. Spammers are always trying
to stay one step ahead and will always find a way to penetrate your
defense so your users will be bogged down sorting good and bad mail
indefinitely. The other issue with SPAM in our environment is the
liability of users receiving and being offended by explicit and
offensive content, which a lot of SPAM contains. So if you ask your end
user to sort the SPAM obviously they will still receive and be offended
by this type of content.
In my opinion the best way to reclaim the productivity lost to SPAM and
the liability of having sexual explicit mail being delivered to our
employees is to prevent it from ever getting to the end user. Out of
sight, out of mind. The money I spent on our appliance has long been
reclaimed through efficient filtering prior to delivery and without end
user participation. I currently support 300+ users in 11 locations
across the US and have an IT staff of 1, myself. If I can find an
effective SPAM solution with close to zero administration I will take
it.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Caldwell [mailto:mcaldwell@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
Well I'm going to go out on the limb and disagree with WIN2K's review.
I use GFI's MailEssentials and I am very satisfied with it. I just
upgraded to version 10 last week and love the new features. Setup was
very quick and it comes with many more features than just the anti-spam
function. Like everything its personal preference but I like the fact
users can drag and drop to Public Folders. To me that is just another
way the product can quickly be fine tuned for better performance. The
use of Public Folders will also allow you to quickly and easily train
the Bayesian engine right out of the box. I have not come across the
ability to automate reporting as in Todd's MXTreme but for me its
reporting meets my needs. I am a firm believer of you often get what
you pay for but I think MailEssentials is an exception. I think you'll
have trouble finding a better priced product that performs as well as
MailEssentials.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] GFI Mail Essentials for Spam Control?
I've picked up a bunch of great anti-spam tips from this list (SpamBayes
and ORF in particular) but the volume is getting high enough where I
need a better server solution. The Symantec Exchange features (if the
bugs have been fixed in 9.0) are good but don't allow enough user
control.
I am intrigued by GFI's MailEssentials bundle and the ability for users
to drag & drop addresses to a global whitelist. This plus server based
Bayesian filtering (like SpamBayes) that learns from each user for the
benefit of all and the keyword checking all make it sound pretty good.
And a lot less of me running around to individual PCs with SpamBayes or
maintaining our own sender blacklist on the server in ORF.
Anyone out there using this and have any comments on experience with it?
I'm thinking of pitching it to our CEO for approval if it has a good
track record.
Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.