OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling

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Hi Ann,

Talk to your cabling guy.
He should be able to explain pros and cons.
Also the tech support at Blackbox is free.
They are really good at this stuff. Call them.
It is best to have the plasma power supplies grounded properly.
Are your buildings on sand?
Is the water table down very far?
Again your cable guy should know of these things.
Let me know if you need any further help.

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



-----Original Message-----
From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling



We currently use Cat5 STP in our shop. Will shielding completely
take care of this sort of problem?
Thanks again,
Ann



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "John Mansfield" <johnm@g...> wrote:
> Hi Ann,
>
> Be careful with the grounding of your plasma machines.
> The starting of the arc can cause a lot of noise which may
> Induce unwanted effects on the cabling. Do you have any ground
issues
> now? How are the machines grounded? Do you have the specs on their
> grounding? There is an ohm value that can be check for. Most
plasma
> Machines will give the value to you. If you ground to the building
steel
> You have one huge antenna.
> Check to see if shielding is necessary.
>
> Good luck.
> Thanks,
>
> John Mansfield
> General Sheet Metal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:45 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling
>
>
>
> This is all great info, Thank you!
>
> We will have 13 data collection workstations, plus shipping and qc
> offices in the shop area. These network cables will cross the
area
> of 4 turrets (coma and plasma) and 3-4 Trumpf lasers. It also
> crosses the shear and forming departments
>
> Other than the cabling for the welding department dc workstation,
> none of the cables pass within 75' of the welding dept except the
> fiber between switches for the gb backbone.
>
> Do I understand you to say that Cat6 would be beneficial in the
> present, assuming this is what you mean by 'The better noise and
> crosstalk resistance of CAT6 will also be a plus on your shop
> floor.'?
>
> Thanks again!
> Ann Rohyans
> AMFAB
> 574-264-4431
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <list@j...> wrote:
> > Ann,
> >
> > Jasper gave you the best answer. In addition, the better
> performance
> > in a gigabit environment will be seen by you users - large
> engineering
> > files for example. The better noise and crosstalk resistance of
> CAT6
> > will also be a plus on your shop floor.
> >
> > For your network backbone, consider buying a decent chassis
switch
> with
> > at least 30Gbps backplane switching capability. Plug your
servers
> and
> > your backup workstation into this switch.
> >
> > Most office switches (stackables) have 4Gb backplane capability,
> so run
> > four Cat6 patch cords from each stackable to the chassis switch,
> bond
> > them using your switch programming software into one 4Gb
channel,
> and
> > you'll have excellent throughput from the servers to your
> workstations.
> > For any stackables not in the server room, run fiber for a 1Gb
> > connection to the chassis.
> >
> > have fun,
> > john
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:51 AM, amfabllc wrote:
> >
> > > We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract
the
> > > cabling.
>
>
>
>
>
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We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
cabling. We will be using a Point to Point T1 between old and new
building until all is moved - this is for voice and data. We
currently have a T1 with channel bank splitting the voice and data.

I plan to use GB switches at the new building and a GB backbone with
fiber. From the switch to the workstation I need to decide whether
to go with Cat5e or Cat6. It makes sense to go with Cat6 for the
future, but I need to justify additional cost. My cable guy
recommends Cat6 for future 'voice over IP'. I will have to have
either phone cable or additional network cable for the phones anyway.

My question: are you aware of any reason that I should go with cat6
instead of cat 5e. We use Vantage and Engineering software such as
Solidworks and Cadkey and Sigmanest in addition to general Microsoft
Office products. Nothing high speed. Do you think Vantage will
ever benefit from cat6 in the future?

Thanks in advance.
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB
3
It is my understanding that currently the FCC does not allow anything over 155mhz so Cat5E can virtually do the same thing that Cat6 will do.

However, CAT5e is rated to 350M and CAT6 is rated to 550M or 1000M depending on what your source is. CAT5e is built with a 24-gauge wire whereas most CAT6 cabling is built with 23-gauge conductor wire. Finally, CAT6 is supposed to have improved performance and have greater immunity from noise and crosstalk.

Why choose CAT6 over CAT5e? Data rates continue to climb so upgrades are inevitable. Just as in the early 1990's industry moved from Cat3 to CAT5 expect tomorrow's networks to migrate toward CAT6. It is expensive to install cable but many organizations will decide to spend a little more money now to avoid a shorter cable lifespan.

-----Original Message-----
From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling




We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
cabling. We will be using a Point to Point T1 between old and new
building until all is moved - this is for voice and data. We
currently have a T1 with channel bank splitting the voice and data.

I plan to use GB switches at the new building and a GB backbone with
fiber. From the switch to the workstation I need to decide whether
to go with Cat5e or Cat6. It makes sense to go with Cat6 for the
future, but I need to justify additional cost. My cable guy
recommends Cat6 for future 'voice over IP'. I will have to have
either phone cable or additional network cable for the phones anyway.

My question: are you aware of any reason that I should go with cat6
instead of cat 5e. We use Vantage and Engineering software such as
Solidworks and Cadkey and Sigmanest in addition to general Microsoft
Office products. Nothing high speed. Do you think Vantage will
ever benefit from cat6 in the future?

Thanks in advance.
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB





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Hi Ann,

Check out the blackbox web site blackbox.com.
Go to Technical Info and there is a comparison of cat5 vs cat6.
Hope this helps.

Thank you,

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal


-----Original Message-----

From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling



We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
cabling. We will be using a Point to Point T1 between old and new
building until all is moved - this is for voice and data. We
currently have a T1 with channel bank splitting the voice and data.

I plan to use GB switches at the new building and a GB backbone with
fiber. From the switch to the workstation I need to decide whether
to go with Cat5e or Cat6. It makes sense to go with Cat6 for the
future, but I need to justify additional cost. My cable guy
recommends Cat6 for future 'voice over IP'. I will have to have
either phone cable or additional network cable for the phones anyway.

My question: are you aware of any reason that I should go with cat6
instead of cat 5e. We use Vantage and Engineering software such as
Solidworks and Cadkey and Sigmanest in addition to general Microsoft
Office products. Nothing high speed. Do you think Vantage will
ever benefit from cat6 in the future?

Thanks in advance.
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB





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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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5
Ann,

Jasper gave you the best answer. In addition, the better performance
in a gigabit environment will be seen by you users - large engineering
files for example. The better noise and crosstalk resistance of CAT6
will also be a plus on your shop floor.

For your network backbone, consider buying a decent chassis switch with
at least 30Gbps backplane switching capability. Plug your servers and
your backup workstation into this switch.

Most office switches (stackables) have 4Gb backplane capability, so run
four Cat6 patch cords from each stackable to the chassis switch, bond
them using your switch programming software into one 4Gb channel, and
you'll have excellent throughput from the servers to your workstations.
For any stackables not in the server room, run fiber for a 1Gb
connection to the chassis.

have fun,
john




On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:51 AM, amfabllc wrote:

> We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
> cabling.
6
This is all great info, Thank you!

We will have 13 data collection workstations, plus shipping and qc
offices in the shop area. These network cables will cross the area
of 4 turrets (coma and plasma) and 3-4 Trumpf lasers. It also
crosses the shear and forming departments

Other than the cabling for the welding department dc workstation,
none of the cables pass within 75' of the welding dept except the
fiber between switches for the gb backbone.

Do I understand you to say that Cat6 would be beneficial in the
present, assuming this is what you mean by 'The better noise and
crosstalk resistance of CAT6 will also be a plus on your shop
floor.'?

Thanks again!
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB
574-264-4431







--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <list@j...> wrote:
> Ann,
>
> Jasper gave you the best answer. In addition, the better
performance
> in a gigabit environment will be seen by you users - large
engineering
> files for example. The better noise and crosstalk resistance of
CAT6
> will also be a plus on your shop floor.
>
> For your network backbone, consider buying a decent chassis switch
with
> at least 30Gbps backplane switching capability. Plug your servers
and
> your backup workstation into this switch.
>
> Most office switches (stackables) have 4Gb backplane capability,
so run
> four Cat6 patch cords from each stackable to the chassis switch,
bond
> them using your switch programming software into one 4Gb channel,
and
> you'll have excellent throughput from the servers to your
workstations.
> For any stackables not in the server room, run fiber for a 1Gb
> connection to the chassis.
>
> have fun,
> john
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:51 AM, amfabllc wrote:
>
> > We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
> > cabling.
7
Hi Ann,

Be careful with the grounding of your plasma machines.
The starting of the arc can cause a lot of noise which may
Induce unwanted effects on the cabling. Do you have any ground issues
now? How are the machines grounded? Do you have the specs on their
grounding? There is an ohm value that can be check for. Most plasma
Machines will give the value to you. If you ground to the building steel
You have one huge antenna.
Check to see if shielding is necessary.

Good luck.
Thanks,

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



-----Original Message-----
From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling



This is all great info, Thank you!

We will have 13 data collection workstations, plus shipping and qc
offices in the shop area. These network cables will cross the area
of 4 turrets (coma and plasma) and 3-4 Trumpf lasers. It also
crosses the shear and forming departments

Other than the cabling for the welding department dc workstation,
none of the cables pass within 75' of the welding dept except the
fiber between switches for the gb backbone.

Do I understand you to say that Cat6 would be beneficial in the
present, assuming this is what you mean by 'The better noise and
crosstalk resistance of CAT6 will also be a plus on your shop
floor.'?

Thanks again!
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB
574-264-4431







--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <list@j...> wrote:
> Ann,
>
> Jasper gave you the best answer. In addition, the better
performance
> in a gigabit environment will be seen by you users - large
engineering
> files for example. The better noise and crosstalk resistance of
CAT6
> will also be a plus on your shop floor.
>
> For your network backbone, consider buying a decent chassis switch
with
> at least 30Gbps backplane switching capability. Plug your servers
and
> your backup workstation into this switch.
>
> Most office switches (stackables) have 4Gb backplane capability,
so run
> four Cat6 patch cords from each stackable to the chassis switch,
bond
> them using your switch programming software into one 4Gb channel,
and
> you'll have excellent throughput from the servers to your
workstations.
> For any stackables not in the server room, run fiber for a 1Gb
> connection to the chassis.
>
> have fun,
> john
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:51 AM, amfabllc wrote:
>
> > We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract the
> > cabling.





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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8
We currently use Cat5 STP in our shop. Will shielding completely
take care of this sort of problem?
Thanks again,
Ann



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "John Mansfield" <johnm@g...> wrote:
> Hi Ann,
>
> Be careful with the grounding of your plasma machines.
> The starting of the arc can cause a lot of noise which may
> Induce unwanted effects on the cabling. Do you have any ground
issues
> now? How are the machines grounded? Do you have the specs on their
> grounding? There is an ohm value that can be check for. Most
plasma
> Machines will give the value to you. If you ground to the building
steel
> You have one huge antenna.
> Check to see if shielding is necessary.
>
> Good luck.
> Thanks,
>
> John Mansfield
> General Sheet Metal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:45 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT-Cat5e vs Cat6 network cabling
>
>
>
> This is all great info, Thank you!
>
> We will have 13 data collection workstations, plus shipping and qc
> offices in the shop area. These network cables will cross the
area
> of 4 turrets (coma and plasma) and 3-4 Trumpf lasers. It also
> crosses the shear and forming departments
>
> Other than the cabling for the welding department dc workstation,
> none of the cables pass within 75' of the welding dept except the
> fiber between switches for the gb backbone.
>
> Do I understand you to say that Cat6 would be beneficial in the
> present, assuming this is what you mean by 'The better noise and
> crosstalk resistance of CAT6 will also be a plus on your shop
> floor.'?
>
> Thanks again!
> Ann Rohyans
> AMFAB
> 574-264-4431
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, John Sage <list@j...> wrote:
> > Ann,
> >
> > Jasper gave you the best answer. In addition, the better
> performance
> > in a gigabit environment will be seen by you users - large
> engineering
> > files for example. The better noise and crosstalk resistance of
> CAT6
> > will also be a plus on your shop floor.
> >
> > For your network backbone, consider buying a decent chassis
switch
> with
> > at least 30Gbps backplane switching capability. Plug your
servers
> and
> > your backup workstation into this switch.
> >
> > Most office switches (stackables) have 4Gb backplane capability,
> so run
> > four Cat6 patch cords from each stackable to the chassis switch,
> bond
> > them using your switch programming software into one 4Gb
channel,
> and
> > you'll have excellent throughput from the servers to your
> workstations.
> > For any stackables not in the server room, run fiber for a 1Gb
> > connection to the chassis.
> >
> > have fun,
> > john
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:51 AM, amfabllc wrote:
> >
> > > We are having a new building constructed. I need to contract
the
> > > cabling.
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links