Off topic NT

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Perfect time for somebody to walk in with a halfway decent compatible OS
and/or office suite and walk away with the whole show. Is there anyone who
isn't PO'd at Captain Bill?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: David Sloan [mailto:dsloan@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off topic NT


Hmmm!
We were informed exactly the opposite by Microsoft Australia. To be quite
honest, I have just about had enough of all the different Microsoft upgrade
and licensing agreements, etc which change constantly. It seems even
Microsoft can't decide how best to rip us off.

[David Sloan]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Hildreth" <shildreth@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off topic NT


> Here we go again:) We were just told by Softmart Inc. and there Microsoft
> software specialist that if we upgrade to 2000 server and make it a domain
> controller we were not required to upgrade our cals to be legal.
>
> [Scott Hildreth]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sloan [mailto:dsloan@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:25 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off topic NT
>
>
>
> Steve,
> Yes, that was the problem we encountered as well. Nothing short of
> re-formatting the Win2k workstation would get it to log on to an NT domain
> again.
>
> As for the licensing, legally, you must upgrade your CAL's to Win2k
format,
> and technically, you should also upgrade the client license to a win2k as
> well according to Microsoft. Nt workstation will authenticate on a 2000
> domain, but it has problems with the 2000 extended rights as applied
> locally.
>
> Have you ever promoted an NT BDC to a PDC on your 2000 domain. I think you
> might have some troubles if you try, most likely from the win2k
workstations
> and any domain trust relationships you might have set up.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Sanders" <ssanders@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:30 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off topic NT
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > I have been running W2K servers (domain controllers) with my NT4 BDC
with
> no
> > problems for the last year or better. The only problem we have ever run
> > into is when we had only one W2K DC with W2K Pro clients on the network;
> if
> > we took that one server down for any reason, W2K clients could not logon
> to
> > the network. Apparently, once W2K Pro finds a W2K DC it will never
> > authenticate to an NT4 server again. Other than that everything has
been
> > working just fine. We've never had to upgrade the CALs and everything
has
> > worked just like I expected it to.
> > ======================
> > Steve Sanders
> > Delta Centrifugal Corp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Sloan [mailto:dsloan@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:02 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off topic NT
> >
> >
> > no, No NO... (reaches throught the internet & grabs the disk out of
> your
> > hand) :O)
> > Be very careful with windows 2000. If you upgrade your PDC to 2000,
you
> > will
> > have to upgrade all your CAL's (computer access licenses) for each
> > connected
> > PC from NT version to Win2k version, and also upgrade your BDC's to
2000
> > as
> > well. The domain control & trusts etc are also different on windows
> 2000.
> > Do not go this way unless you intend to spend more money, and are
> > dedicated
> > to changing all of your servers to operating on 2000. Windows 2000
> domains
> > are different to NT domains. You can have a Win2k server in a NT
domain,
> > but
> > not as a BDC or PDC.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Lipham" <pml@...>
> > To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off topic NT
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Michael and David ! It's been a while since NT admin
class...
> I
> > > think that was 3.51 anyway. One of my account reps told me I could
> > upgrade
> > > the PDC to Windows 2000 server and go that route. ???
> > >
> > > Thanks Again for your input
> > > Paul
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:33 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off topic NT
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep the PDC online and when you promote the BDC, the current PDC
> will
> > be
> > > demoted. It would be worthwhile checking that all are on the same
> SP.
> > >
> > > I believe you have to re-install if you want a server to no longer
> be
> > a
> > > BDC.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Lipham [mailto:pml@...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 3:02 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Off topic NT
> > >
> > >
> > > OK... one for the NT folks. I have a PDC and three BDC servers.
> The
> > > Primary Domain Controller is getting some age on it and I want to
> > promote
> > > one of the backups to primary. When I do this do I need to take
the
> > PDC
> > > offline or does it get "demoted" in the process. If I do take the
> PDC
> > > offline to promote a server do I have to re-install it as a stand
> > alone
> > > before putting it back on the network?
> > >
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Received this fun little email today from Big-Brother and thought I'd share
...

Todd Anderson

****************************************************************************
*************
1. Upgrades options to Microsoft Applications (i.e. Microsoft Office) and
Servers (Windows 2000 Server) will be no longer available as of August 1,
2002. You have from now until July 31, 2002 to decide whether it is in your
companies best interest to put the Microsoft software that you are currently
invested into either Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance. Please see
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing for details. Also, check with a reseller
to get a cost comparison of purchasing before July 31 and after. I can
recommend a reseller if that helps.

2. Office Small Business Edition (SBE) will no longer have upgrades.
Customers who wish to enroll their Office XP SBE license in Office Standard
Upgrade Advantage (UA) are eligible to do so, from Jan 1, 2002 - July 31,
2002. These customers in turn will be eligible for future releases of Office
Standard that are released during the term of their UA coverage. The
customer will be entitled to future releases of Office Standard, since they
are enrolled in Office Standard UA. This means they will be entitled to
Excel, Word, PowerPoint and Outlook licenses. They would not be eligible to
future releases of Publisher as Publisher is not a component of Office
Standard. You can keep the version of Publisher that came with your copy of
Office SBE on your machine. You will just not qualify for upgrades to
Publisher automatically. When a customer with Office SBE enrolls in Office
Standard UA, the customer will be eligible for Office Standard Software
Assurance upon the expiration of their Office Standard UA. Contact me
directly if you have questions.

3. OEM and Full Package Product of Microsoft Office Application Software
does not allow for downgrade rights or network capabilities. You can
purchase Upgrade Advantage until July 31, 2002 which will give you these
capabilities if needed. OEM licenses are typically tied to the machine from
which it was preinstalled. The added benefit of purchasing Upgrade Advantage
on those application licenses is that the license becomes independent from
machine and can be transferred when machine replaced. It also includes the
right to stay current with two-year agreement. On August 1, 2002, you should
consider these factors before purchasing a new machine with Office
preinstalled. Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance will not be options at
that point.

4. Windows XP OEM licenses can be downgraded no further than Windows 98
Second Edition, however the OEM does not have to supply the media. Under the
Volume Pricing Program Win XP can be downgraded to Win 95. OEM desktop
operating system software license* is tied to machine. Technical support is
ultimately OEM responsibility, and for original configuration only. The
customers have the right and tools to restore system back to original
configuration. Also, you have the right to ghost and reimage (WinXP OEM
license only). Again, there is no requirement for the OEM to supply media or
support. You must keep proof of license, as it is hard-copy EULA (End User
License Agreement) or COA (Certificate of Authenticity)

*Both the "product" and the "license" are tied to the machine; therefore,
the license is retired with the machine regardless of whether or not it had
been enrolled into Upgrade Advantage/Software Assurance. However, it is
permitted to apply the unused upgrade rights from old machines to their
replacements. If the upgrades under UA/SA had been previously applied to the
old machines, they cannot be then transferred to replacement machines.

5. Windows NT Server 4.0/Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Promotion: Microsoft is excited to announce a Windows Advanced Server
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and most economical path to upgrade from Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000
Advanced Server and to purchase Software Assurance for Windows 2000 Advanced
Server. This promotion is available today through July 31, 2002. Please see
this web site for details,
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sp or contact me directly.

6. Windows NT 4.0 support no longer available in 2003! I would recommend
that your organizations start planning migrations for fall 2002 to have in
place by the turn of 2003. Upgrade Advantage is a great solution to cover
your licenses for future upgrades (2 years worth of upgrades from date of
purchase). Upgrade Advantage does not require that you install/deploy within
2 years. It just allows you the rights to any releases of newer versions of
the product within a 2 year period. There are no guarantees that Microsoft
will have upgrades within the 2 years, but we typically have an 18 - 24
month upgrade cycle on most products. Upgrade Advantage is only available
until July 31, 2002. The Microsoft® Windows NT® Server 4.0 family of
operating systems began entering the marketplace in September 1996. After
five years on the market-and with the increasing adoption of its successor,
the Windows® 2000 Server family of operating systems-Windows NT Server 4.0
is being retired in phases. This article describes the schedule for changes
in product availability and support,
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ProductInfo/Availability/Retiring.asp

January 1, 2003 Beginning on this date, customers requesting non-security
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One word: Linux

Rick Gors


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4
I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right now and all I keep hearing is about the Windows licensing issues. Granted, the Unix classes will be biased, but I've been doing some research and all of the licensing $$$$$ with Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start to switch to Linux and Star Office.

Wendy Bowen
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gors
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues



One word: Linux

Rick Gors


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I think for the backend it is a viable solution. However for client software
it will have to be a Windows based OS.

I think it would take too much to re-educate the user. It is hard enough to
grasp for sysadmins who are new to UNIX.

Fausto

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Bowen (Pursche) [mailto:wpursche@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues

I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right now and all I
keep hearing is about the Windows licensing issues. Granted, the Unix
classes will be biased, but I've been doing some research and all of the
licensing $$$$$ with Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start
to switch to Linux and Star Office.

Wendy Bowen
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gors
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues



One word: Linux

Rick Gors


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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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6
I just read that the licensing structure has changed and Staroffice is no
longer free. If I can find the article again, I'll post the link.

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right
> now and all I keep hearing is about the Windows licensing
> issues. Granted, the Unix classes will be biased, but I've
> been doing some research and all of the licensing $$$$$ with
> Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start to
> switch to Linux and Star Office..
7
test


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8
Erie quiet this morning, just checking the email system


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9
Anyone care to translate this to English in 25 words or less.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:29 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


Received this fun little email today from Big-Brother and thought I'd share
...

Todd Anderson

****************************************************************************
*************
1. Upgrades options to Microsoft Applications (i.e. Microsoft Office) and
Servers (Windows 2000 Server) will be no longer available as of August 1,
2002. You have from now until July 31, 2002 to decide whether it is in your
companies best interest to put the Microsoft software that you are currently
invested into either Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance. Please see
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing for details. Also, check with a reseller
to get a cost comparison of purchasing before July 31 and after. I can
recommend a reseller if that helps.

2. Office Small Business Edition (SBE) will no longer have upgrades.
Customers who wish to enroll their Office XP SBE license in Office Standard
Upgrade Advantage (UA) are eligible to do so, from Jan 1, 2002 - July 31,
2002. These customers in turn will be eligible for future releases of Office
Standard that are released during the term of their UA coverage. The
customer will be entitled to future releases of Office Standard, since they
are enrolled in Office Standard UA. This means they will be entitled to
Excel, Word, PowerPoint and Outlook licenses. They would not be eligible to
future releases of Publisher as Publisher is not a component of Office
Standard. You can keep the version of Publisher that came with your copy of
Office SBE on your machine. You will just not qualify for upgrades to
Publisher automatically. When a customer with Office SBE enrolls in Office
Standard UA, the customer will be eligible for Office Standard Software
Assurance upon the expiration of their Office Standard UA. Contact me
directly if you have questions.

3. OEM and Full Package Product of Microsoft Office Application Software
does not allow for downgrade rights or network capabilities. You can
purchase Upgrade Advantage until July 31, 2002 which will give you these
capabilities if needed. OEM licenses are typically tied to the machine from
which it was preinstalled. The added benefit of purchasing Upgrade Advantage
on those application licenses is that the license becomes independent from
machine and can be transferred when machine replaced. It also includes the
right to stay current with two-year agreement. On August 1, 2002, you should
consider these factors before purchasing a new machine with Office
preinstalled. Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance will not be options at
that point.

4. Windows XP OEM licenses can be downgraded no further than Windows 98
Second Edition, however the OEM does not have to supply the media. Under the
Volume Pricing Program Win XP can be downgraded to Win 95. OEM desktop
operating system software license* is tied to machine. Technical support is
ultimately OEM responsibility, and for original configuration only. The
customers have the right and tools to restore system back to original
configuration. Also, you have the right to ghost and reimage (WinXP OEM
license only). Again, there is no requirement for the OEM to supply media or
support. You must keep proof of license, as it is hard-copy EULA (End User
License Agreement) or COA (Certificate of Authenticity)

*Both the "product" and the "license" are tied to the machine; therefore,
the license is retired with the machine regardless of whether or not it had
been enrolled into Upgrade Advantage/Software Assurance. However, it is
permitted to apply the unused upgrade rights from old machines to their
replacements. If the upgrades under UA/SA had been previously applied to the
old machines, they cannot be then transferred to replacement machines.

5. Windows NT Server 4.0/Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Promotion: Microsoft is excited to announce a Windows Advanced Server
Software Assurance and Upgrade Advantage promotion to provide the easiest
and most economical path to upgrade from Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000
Advanced Server and to purchase Software Assurance for Windows 2000 Advanced
Server. This promotion is available today through July 31, 2002. Please see
this web site for details,
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/saua/overview.a
sp or contact me directly.

6. Windows NT 4.0 support no longer available in 2003! I would recommend
that your organizations start planning migrations for fall 2002 to have in
place by the turn of 2003. Upgrade Advantage is a great solution to cover
your licenses for future upgrades (2 years worth of upgrades from date of
purchase). Upgrade Advantage does not require that you install/deploy within
2 years. It just allows you the rights to any releases of newer versions of
the product within a 2 year period. There are no guarantees that Microsoft
will have upgrades within the 2 years, but we typically have an 18 - 24
month upgrade cycle on most products. Upgrade Advantage is only available
until July 31, 2002. The Microsoft® Windows NT® Server 4.0 family of
operating systems began entering the marketplace in September 1996. After
five years on the market-and with the increasing adoption of its successor,
the Windows® 2000 Server family of operating systems-Windows NT Server 4.0
is being retired in phases. This article describes the schedule for changes
in product availability and support,
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ProductInfo/Availability/Retiring.asp

January 1, 2003 Beginning on this date, customers requesting non-security
QFEs will be charged a fee. (Premier customers should contact their Premier
Technical Account Manager for details on associated fees.)

January 1, 2004 Pay-per-incident and Premier support will no longer be
available. Non-security QFEs will no longer be available.

January 1, 2005 (or later) Online support will no longer be available.
7. Microsoft Content Management Server 2001: Microsoft Content Management
Server is the enterprise Web content management system that enables
businesses to quickly and cost-effectively deploy dynamic and personalized
e-business Web sites. It dramatically reduces the time required to build and
deploy these e-business applications and provides an enterprise scalable and
reliable solution. By empowering employees with the comprehensive
applications they need to be able to manage their own content, enterprises
benefit through increased productivity, stronger customer and partner
relationships, improved internal communication and increased revenue. Check
out this web site to see how you can get trial software,
http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?subid=22&site=10978&x=15&y=15

8. Microsoft Operations Manager 2000 Limited Time Price Promotion:
Microsoft is implementing a six-month Worldwide Microsoft Operations Manager
2000 price promotion effective November 1, 2001 until April 30, 2002 to
accelerate adoption into companies of all sizes so they too can manage their
Windows-based servers and applications more easily, reducing costs and
increasing reliability. The Estimated Retail Price (ERP) for this promotion
covers the following: Base Processor License - $349 US ERP (regular price:
$849 US), Application Management Pack Processor License - $349 US ERP
(regular price: $949 US). For more information on Microsoft Operations
Manager 2000, please check out this website: http://www.microsoft.com/mom/

For additional training on Microsoft products, licensing, etc, please feel
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webcast. Check out our events web site for more details:
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Here's my 2c worth. (How many Euro is that?) :O)

The new XP versions of Word & Excel documents will not work in Star Office,
Microsoft has seen to that. If your company needs to access customer Word &
Excel files (as we do), then Microsoft is, unfortunately, the only answer.
Also, did the group ever find out whether Vantage will run on Linux? If not,
that is another reason why we have to use Microsoft OS. Will Linux run as a
terminal server, allowing you to run MS Office & Vantage?
I have spent the last 3 years soaking up all the necessary know how for
Microsoft products, I do not have the time now to also re-learn a Unix type
OS (I used to use Amiga PC's, so I know a little about Unix type OS's),
although I am going to have to re-learn all about Microsoft's new licensing
rules :O(

Having said all that, I think that The US Government should take a good hard
look at the licensing & upgrade system which Microsoft are changing to, and
how much it is likely to cost the average company. Microsoft always seem to
be able to find new and expensive ways of getting money from it's userbase.

Regards
David Sloan
IT Manager Entech

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Bowen (Pursche)" <wpursche@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


> I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right now and all I
keep hearing is about the Windows licensing issues. Granted, the Unix
classes will be biased, but I've been doing some research and all of the
licensing $$$$$ with Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start
to switch to Linux and Star Office.
>
> Wendy Bowen
> Network Administrator
> Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
> (810) 743-1600 ext.323
> wpursche@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Gors
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues
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>
> One word: Linux
>
> Rick Gors
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11
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues

I just read that the licensing structure has changed and Staroffice is
no
longer free. If I can find the article again, I'll post the link.

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right
> now and all I keep hearing is about the Windows licensing
> issues. Granted, the Unix classes will be biased, but I've
> been doing some research and all of the licensing $$$$$ with
> Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start to
> switch to Linux and Star Office..

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At 11:13 AM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I just read that the licensing structure has changed and Staroffice is no
>longer free. If I can find the article again, I'll post the link.

That would be a *very*surprising change; I'd like to see the article if
you can track it down.

Sun has been committed to keeping it free, and even if they were to do an
about-face on that, OpenOffice.Org still offers it free via their parallel
development efforts.

Sun does charge a small amount ($40) for a media package that includes a
nice printed manual and CD, but you've always had the option to download it
for free (if you have the bandwidth for 90MB or so!) They also offer
tech-support contracts for a fee, but that has been their only source of
profit from it. I think their real motivation is just the satisfaction of
sticking it to Micro$**t ;)

Oh yeah... and while Star Office frequently gets mentioned with Linux as a
totally non-MS alternative, it does run on Windows too. You can stick with
a MS OS for compatibility with Vantage and all your other favorite
applications, but avoid forking over $500 for every user that needs a
spreadsheet & word processor.

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
13
I think something is not working at the Yahoo groups. I got two group
messages this morning that were sent yesterday morning and the message I am
replying on was received 1.5 hours after it was sent. Also, I sent a
similar test message yesterday and never received it (yet?). Other email is
coming in just fine. This reply is also a test.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Just testing


Erie quiet this morning, just checking the email system


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>I think for the backend it is a viable solution. However for client
software
>it will have to be a Windows based OS.

Till epicor writes a Linux vantage client, anyway....

Anyone got their Vantage progress db running on a linux server yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: Fausto Filippi [mailto:ffilippi@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:18 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


I think for the backend it is a viable solution. However for client software
it will have to be a Windows based OS.

I think it would take too much to re-educate the user. It is hard enough to
grasp for sysadmins who are new to UNIX.

Fausto

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Bowen (Pursche) [mailto:wpursche@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues

I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right now and all I
keep hearing is about the Windows licensing issues. Granted, the Unix
classes will be biased, but I've been doing some research and all of the
licensing $$$$$ with Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start
to switch to Linux and Star Office.

Wendy Bowen
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gors
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues



One word: Linux

Rick Gors


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Sure, in the 70's it was called a hostage situation. Nowadays, its called
licencing agreements.

Shirley
-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:31 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


Anyone care to translate this to English in 25 words or less.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:29 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


Received this fun little email today from Big-Brother and thought I'd
share
...

Todd Anderson


****************************************************************************
*************
1. Upgrades options to Microsoft Applications (i.e. Microsoft Office) and
Servers (Windows 2000 Server) will be no longer available as of August 1,
2002. You have from now until July 31, 2002 to decide whether it is in
your
companies best interest to put the Microsoft software that you are
currently
invested into either Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance. Please see
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing for details. Also, check with a
reseller
to get a cost comparison of purchasing before July 31 and after. I can
recommend a reseller if that helps.

2. Office Small Business Edition (SBE) will no longer have upgrades.
Customers who wish to enroll their Office XP SBE license in Office
Standard
Upgrade Advantage (UA) are eligible to do so, from Jan 1, 2002 - July 31,
2002. These customers in turn will be eligible for future releases of
Office
Standard that are released during the term of their UA coverage. The
customer will be entitled to future releases of Office Standard, since
they
are enrolled in Office Standard UA. This means they will be entitled to
Excel, Word, PowerPoint and Outlook licenses. They would not be eligible
to
future releases of Publisher as Publisher is not a component of Office
Standard. You can keep the version of Publisher that came with your copy
of
Office SBE on your machine. You will just not qualify for upgrades to
Publisher automatically. When a customer with Office SBE enrolls in Office
Standard UA, the customer will be eligible for Office Standard Software
Assurance upon the expiration of their Office Standard UA. Contact me
directly if you have questions.

3. OEM and Full Package Product of Microsoft Office Application Software
does not allow for downgrade rights or network capabilities. You can
purchase Upgrade Advantage until July 31, 2002 which will give you these
capabilities if needed. OEM licenses are typically tied to the machine
from
which it was preinstalled. The added benefit of purchasing Upgrade
Advantage
on those application licenses is that the license becomes independent from
machine and can be transferred when machine replaced. It also includes the
right to stay current with two-year agreement. On August 1, 2002, you
should
consider these factors before purchasing a new machine with Office
preinstalled. Upgrade Advantage or Software Assurance will not be options
at
that point.

4. Windows XP OEM licenses can be downgraded no further than Windows 98
Second Edition, however the OEM does not have to supply the media. Under
the
Volume Pricing Program Win XP can be downgraded to Win 95. OEM desktop
operating system software license* is tied to machine. Technical support
is
ultimately OEM responsibility, and for original configuration only. The
customers have the right and tools to restore system back to original
configuration. Also, you have the right to ghost and reimage (WinXP OEM
license only). Again, there is no requirement for the OEM to supply media
or
support. You must keep proof of license, as it is hard-copy EULA (End User
License Agreement) or COA (Certificate of Authenticity)

*Both the "product" and the "license" are tied to the machine; therefore,
the license is retired with the machine regardless of whether or not it
had
been enrolled into Upgrade Advantage/Software Assurance. However, it is
permitted to apply the unused upgrade rights from old machines to their
replacements. If the upgrades under UA/SA had been previously applied to
the
old machines, they cannot be then transferred to replacement machines.

5. Windows NT Server 4.0/Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000 Advanced
Server
Promotion: Microsoft is excited to announce a Windows Advanced Server
Software Assurance and Upgrade Advantage promotion to provide the easiest
and most economical path to upgrade from Windows 2000 Server to Windows
2000
Advanced Server and to purchase Software Assurance for Windows 2000
Advanced
Server. This promotion is available today through July 31, 2002. Please
see
this web site for details,

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/saua/overview.a
sp or contact me directly.

6. Windows NT 4.0 support no longer available in 2003! I would recommend
that your organizations start planning migrations for fall 2002 to have in
place by the turn of 2003. Upgrade Advantage is a great solution to cover
your licenses for future upgrades (2 years worth of upgrades from date of
purchase). Upgrade Advantage does not require that you install/deploy
within
2 years. It just allows you the rights to any releases of newer versions
of
the product within a 2 year period. There are no guarantees that Microsoft
will have upgrades within the 2 years, but we typically have an 18 - 24
month upgrade cycle on most products. Upgrade Advantage is only available
until July 31, 2002. The Microsoft® Windows NT® Server 4.0 family of
operating systems began entering the marketplace in September 1996. After
five years on the market-and with the increasing adoption of its
successor,
the Windows® 2000 Server family of operating systems-Windows NT Server 4.0
is being retired in phases. This article describes the schedule for
changes
in product availability and support,
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ProductInfo/Availability/Retiring.asp

January 1, 2003 Beginning on this date, customers requesting non-security
QFEs will be charged a fee. (Premier customers should contact their
Premier
Technical Account Manager for details on associated fees.)

January 1, 2004 Pay-per-incident and Premier support will no longer be
available. Non-security QFEs will no longer be available.

January 1, 2005 (or later) Online support will no longer be available.
7. Microsoft Content Management Server 2001: Microsoft Content Management
Server is the enterprise Web content management system that enables
businesses to quickly and cost-effectively deploy dynamic and personalized
e-business Web sites. It dramatically reduces the time required to build
and
deploy these e-business applications and provides an enterprise scalable
and
reliable solution. By empowering employees with the comprehensive
applications they need to be able to manage their own content, enterprises
benefit through increased productivity, stronger customer and partner
relationships, improved internal communication and increased revenue.
Check
out this web site to see how you can get trial software,
http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?subid=22&site=10978&x=15&y=15

8. Microsoft Operations Manager 2000 Limited Time Price Promotion:
Microsoft is implementing a six-month Worldwide Microsoft Operations
Manager
2000 price promotion effective November 1, 2001 until April 30, 2002 to
accelerate adoption into companies of all sizes so they too can manage
their
Windows-based servers and applications more easily, reducing costs and
increasing reliability. The Estimated Retail Price (ERP) for this
promotion
covers the following: Base Processor License - $349 US ERP (regular
price:
$849 US), Application Management Pack Processor License - $349 US ERP
(regular price: $949 US). For more information on Microsoft Operations
Manager 2000, please check out this website:
http://www.microsoft.com/mom/

For additional training on Microsoft products, licensing, etc, please feel
free to attend a district event in person or participate via the web on a
webcast. Check out our events web site for more details:
http://www.microsoft.com/usa/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
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Ever try 602TEXT its free and it works on Word and Excel.
www.software602.com

Ron Newell
IT Manager
Neon Products
1695 Sargent Ave.
Winnipeg, MB R3H 0C4

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Sloan [mailto:dsloan@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues

Here's my 2c worth. (How many Euro is that?) :O)

The new XP versions of Word & Excel documents will not work in Star
Office,
Microsoft has seen to that. If your company needs to access customer
Word &
Excel files (as we do), then Microsoft is, unfortunately, the only
answer.
Also, did the group ever find out whether Vantage will run on Linux? If
not,
that is another reason why we have to use Microsoft OS. Will Linux run
as a
terminal server, allowing you to run MS Office & Vantage?
I have spent the last 3 years soaking up all the necessary know how for
Microsoft products, I do not have the time now to also re-learn a Unix
type
OS (I used to use Amiga PC's, so I know a little about Unix type OS's),
although I am going to have to re-learn all about Microsoft's new
licensing
rules :O(

Having said all that, I think that The US Government should take a good
hard
look at the licensing & upgrade system which Microsoft are changing to,
and
how much it is likely to cost the average company. Microsoft always seem
to
be able to find new and expensive ways of getting money from it's
userbase.

Regards
David Sloan
IT Manager Entech


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Looks like we have the yahoo slows today. Sent my first test message at
9:16 AM and it just showed up at 10:55. Sending again at 10:57 AM EST
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Just testing


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[sorry if this comes through twice -- looks like yahoo lost the 1st one]

At 11:13 AM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I just read that the licensing structure has changed and Staroffice is no
>longer free. If I can find the article again, I'll post the link.

That would be a *very*surprising change; I'd like to see the article if
you can track it down.

Sun has been committed to keeping it free, and even if they were to do an
about-face on that, OpenOffice.Org still offers it free via their parallel
development efforts. Actually, the binary available from OpenOffice.Org is
the best one for 1st timers to try out at the current time.

Sun does charge a small amount ($40) for a media package that includes a
nice printed manual and CD, but you've always had the option to download it
for free (if you have the bandwidth for 90MB or so!) They also offer
tech-support contracts for a fee, but that has been their only source of
profit from it. I think their real motivation is just the satisfaction of
sticking it to Micro$**t ;)

Oh yeah... and while Star Office frequently gets mentioned with Linux as a
totally non-MS alternative, it does run on Windows too. You can stick with
a MS OS for compatibility with Vantage and all your other favorite
applications, but avoid forking over $500 for every user that needs a
spreadsheet & word processor.

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
19
Wayne,

> That would be a *very*surprising change; I'd like to see the
> article if you can track it down.

As a public service for the ABMers:

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-844857.html

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/02/24/192253.shtml?tid=102




have fun,
john


-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Star Office
20
Ron,

Downloading it now. How do you like it (pro's-con's)?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Newell [mailto:rnewell@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues


We have been using 602PC suite for some users from www.software602.com


Ron Newell
IT Manager
Neon Products
1695 Sargent Ave.
Winnipeg, MB R3H 0C4

http://www.neon-products.com/
mailto:rnewell@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Monday Morning Blues

I just read that the licensing structure has changed and Staroffice is
no
longer free. If I can find the article again, I'll post the link.

Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> I'm starting to agree. I'm taking some Unix classes right
> now and all I keep hearing is about the Windows licensing
> issues. Granted, the Unix classes will be biased, but I've
> been doing some research and all of the licensing $$$$$ with
> Windows is definately coming. So, we may slowly start to
> switch to Linux and Star Office..

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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