Off Topic--Document Management

It should be non at all. The only references I have made to the Vantage
database are to the following fields which should never change. If epicor
was to ever change these fields it would mean almost a total recodeing of
vantage. I dont see that ever happening. It would be such a nightmare to
change one of these field names that I dont think a programmer would try it.
If it would change, it would be a simple find/replace in the source code in
Visual Basic.

In fact, they way I have it set up now makes fixing it really simple. I use
SQL Server's functionality as a "Linked" server to communicate with the
Progress Database directly. This means I dont have to set up an ODBC driver
for progress on every client workstation. I set up one SQL Server DSN. I
just create views in SQL Server that look like this.

This is with a linked server named PROGRESS

SELECT Orderhed.CustNum, Orderhed.OrderNum, dbo.Customer.Name
FROM OPENQUERY(Progress, 'select * from pub.orderhed') Orderhed
INNER JOIN dbo.Customer ON Orderhed.CustNum = dbo.Customer.CustNum


Vantage Fields I have used in my App:
part.partnum
jobhead.jobnum, jobhead.partnum
orderhed.Ordernum, orderhed.custnum
rmahead.rmanum
pohead.ponum
customer.custnum, customer.custname
vendor.vendornum, vendor.name


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Gilchrist [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Leonard,

Wow, that's quite a mouthful. Sounds like you have been busy. I think that
if you ever let the source code out of your control someone would try to
sell it! How much work do you have to do at upgrade time?

Mike Gilchrist


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:28 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management

We have written our own document management program that interfaces to
Vantage. We have been using it for about 8 months. As of yesterday we
have 15GB of data for 230,000 documents in the system. So far, none have
come up missing. (Knock on wood)

It allows you to scan a document by Part Number, Job Number, Sales Order
Number, Customer, Vendor PO Number and Other. When you choose other, you
can then choose sub types that a user can enter. This saves me from adding
additional groups programmatically. The program has advanced document
scanning functions. It also allows you to attach non-scanned files to those
same groups (Such as drawings or excel files). We use another program
called Document Tracker to view, e-mail and export the files. You have the
ability to copy scanned documents from one group to another with the click
of a mouse. So if you have scanned a document, such as a CERT, for one job
you can copy it to another very easily without having to rescan it. When you
link/scan a document to a Job number it also automatically links that file
to the relevant Part. The file or scanned document is renamed the part
number and the seq number. For example. If I scan part xyz-6534 it would
become xyz-6534-1.tif. The next would be xyz-6534-2.tif and so on. We use
Fujitsu ScanPartner 600C and 620C document scanners. I think we have 8 of
them now. Very fast with automatic document feeders. The QA department
needed to stamp allot of documents so I also developed an secure program for
the inspectors. They are able to bring up a document and place their
inspection stamp anywhere on the document. It also places a date stamp just
under their inspection stamp. We scanned each of their stamps and secured
them so that each time you go into the application it prompts for a
Inspector password.

We looked at several applications to do all this and couldn't find any that
didn't cost a small fortune. Most didn't integrate into Vantage.

The original application was written in Access 2000. I am rolling out a new
version this week in Visual Basic 6.0 that has allot of new functionality.
We us SQL Server 2000 for the backend but MS Access would work just as well.

I am willing to give anyone source code/compiled application at no cost as
long as you don't resell it. You would need someone with a little VB
experience to bring it online. You would also need to purchase the Active X
Controls that I used to scan if you plan on making any changes to the
application.

You can see a few screen shots at www.ktcorp.com/vantage

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist
We use document management and have had great success, our QS9000 auditor
was very very impressed and called it very robust. What we've done is
define all of our process sheets in word or Excell. All of our documents
are in restricted folders, Read for all, Write for the authorized few. Our
Supervisors use Part tracker to pull up a part that is to be run go into
document management and pull up a hyper linked page. All the documents they
need for that part are on this link page. They click and print what they
need. At the end of the job the operators throw out the process card.
There are no secret stashes hanging around, no problems with purging files
for document retention rules. The philosophy here is, as much as possible,
if it HAS to be paper make it disposable/expendable.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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We had looked at DOC-LINK from Brook Hollow, Inc., Tacoma, WA (253) 274-0700, back in '99. It integrated with Vantage. I don't know if they still exist.

John Rodewald
Sr. CAD Engineer
National Tube Form
A Leggett & Platt Company
Phone: (260) 478-2363 ext. 205
Cell: (260) 348-4891
Fax: (260) 478-1043
<mailto:John.Rodewald@...> John.Rodewald@...

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management

Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.


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How do you handle revisions? Specifically, what did the job instructions,
etc. look like a year ago when a specific lot of parts were manufactured?
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


We use document management and have had great success, our QS9000 auditor
was very very impressed and called it very robust. What we've done is
define all of our process sheets in word or Excell. All of our documents
are in restricted folders, Read for all, Write for the authorized few. Our
Supervisors use Part tracker to pull up a part that is to be run go into
document management and pull up a hyper linked page. All the documents they
need for that part are on this link page. They click and print what they
need. At the end of the job the operators throw out the process card.
There are no secret stashes hanging around, no problems with purging files
for document retention rules. The philosophy here is, as much as possible,
if it HAS to be paper make it disposable/expendable.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
For paper specifications that will get scanned into the system; we will
remove and replace the old document retaining the old paper copy, and naming
the file MILXXXXX revX. By having specifications on the system we will be
able to view and, search them network wide, and evolve eventually to the net
for offsite users. This is only for specifications that are retained on
paper, most of our specs are either online or CD which can either become a
mounted drive or copied to a server.

The main goal of the system is to scan in paper documents that are
associated with Vantage jobs. In our case each job could have 20 documents
by the time it is finished. Our customers require copies of most of these.
My goal is to be able to email them directly from the system, or give them
direct access, instead of finding the documents, making copies, and mailing
them or packing them with the job. These would be stored on the system by
sales order, job number.

Mike Gilchrist

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Clauser [mailto:gclauser@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management

How do you handle revisions? Specifically, what did the job instructions,
etc. look like a year ago when a specific lot of parts were manufactured?
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


We use document management and have had great success, our QS9000 auditor
was very very impressed and called it very robust. What we've done is
define all of our process sheets in word or Excell. All of our documents
are in restricted folders, Read for all, Write for the authorized few. Our
Supervisors use Part tracker to pull up a part that is to be run go into
document management and pull up a hyper linked page. All the documents they
need for that part are on this link page. They click and print what they
need. At the end of the job the operators throw out the process card.
There are no secret stashes hanging around, no problems with purging files
for document retention rules. The philosophy here is, as much as possible,
if it HAS to be paper make it disposable/expendable.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


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Our Process Engineer keeps a paper history, (he thinks I don't know) and
guards it closely. There is a certain amount of resistance to letting go of
paper here. When the time is right, I'll have them use a PDF creator, and
have old sheets printed to PDF file for archival. When a new rev comes in
we just relink the one page and all the documents come over.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Clauser [mailto:gclauser@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


How do you handle revisions? Specifically, what did the job instructions,
etc. look like a year ago when a specific lot of parts were manufactured?
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


We use document management and have had great success, our QS9000 auditor
was very very impressed and called it very robust. What we've done is
define all of our process sheets in word or Excell. All of our documents
are in restricted folders, Read for all, Write for the authorized few.
Our
Supervisors use Part tracker to pull up a part that is to be run go into
document management and pull up a hyper linked page. All the documents
they
need for that part are on this link page. They click and print what they
need. At the end of the job the operators throw out the process card.
There are no secret stashes hanging around, no problems with purging files
for document retention rules. The philosophy here is, as much as
possible,
if it HAS to be paper make it disposable/expendable.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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We are in the middle of our implementation of ProductCenter by Workgroup
Technologies. We chose this because of its ability to work across a WAN. We
have it installed at four facilities. Running live on two of them. Check it
out.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
We have written our own document management program that interfaces to
Vantage. We have been using it for about 8 months. As of yesterday we
have 15GB of data for 230,000 documents in the system. So far, none have
come up missing. (Knock on wood)

It allows you to scan a document by Part Number, Job Number, Sales Order
Number, Customer, Vendor PO Number and Other. When you choose other, you
can then choose sub types that a user can enter. This saves me from adding
additional groups programmatically. The program has advanced document
scanning functions. It also allows you to attach non-scanned files to those
same groups (Such as drawings or excel files). We use another program
called Document Tracker to view, e-mail and export the files. You have the
ability to copy scanned documents from one group to another with the click
of a mouse. So if you have scanned a document, such as a CERT, for one job
you can copy it to another very easily without having to rescan it. When you
link/scan a document to a Job number it also automatically links that file
to the relevant Part. The file or scanned document is renamed the part
number and the seq number. For example. If I scan part xyz-6534 it would
become xyz-6534-1.tif. The next would be xyz-6534-2.tif and so on. We use
Fujitsu ScanPartner 600C and 620C document scanners. I think we have 8 of
them now. Very fast with automatic document feeders. The QA department
needed to stamp allot of documents so I also developed an secure program for
the inspectors. They are able to bring up a document and place their
inspection stamp anywhere on the document. It also places a date stamp just
under their inspection stamp. We scanned each of their stamps and secured
them so that each time you go into the application it prompts for a
Inspector password.

We looked at several applications to do all this and couldn't find any that
didn't cost a small fortune. Most didn't integrate into Vantage.

The original application was written in Access 2000. I am rolling out a new
version this week in Visual Basic 6.0 that has allot of new functionality.
We us SQL Server 2000 for the backend but MS Access would work just as well.

I am willing to give anyone source code/compiled application at no cost as
long as you don't resell it. You would need someone with a little VB
experience to bring it online. You would also need to purchase the Active X
Controls that I used to scan if you plan on making any changes to the
application.

You can see a few screen shots at www.ktcorp.com/vantage

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
This is still a bit conceptual, but you can pull off some pretty
sophisticated document control with advanced versioning support using a
tool software programmers have used for some time now...cvs. It forces
version history instead of relying on a manual versioning system, allows
you to see what has changed when comparing two versions, and best of all
is Free Software. Check out this slick client for Windows:

http://www.tortoisecvs.org/index.shtml

If you follow this 6-step procedure you will be able to set up a demo of
the product on your local filesystem:

http://www.tortoisecvs.org/faq.html#cvsinit

Good luck,
Adam Ellis
Senior Consultant - SaberLogic, LLC
Ph: (330) 335-6442
Mobile: (330) 697-3883


Greg Clauser wrote:

>How do you handle revisions? Specifically, what did the job instructions,
>etc. look like a year ago when a specific lot of parts were manufactured?
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:10 AM
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management
>
>
>We use document management and have had great success, our QS9000 auditor
>was very very impressed and called it very robust. What we've done is
>define all of our process sheets in word or Excell. All of our documents
>are in restricted folders, Read for all, Write for the authorized few. Our
>Supervisors use Part tracker to pull up a part that is to be run go into
>document management and pull up a hyper linked page. All the documents they
>need for that part are on this link page. They click and print what they
>need. At the end of the job the operators throw out the process card.
>There are no secret stashes hanging around, no problems with purging files
>for document retention rules. The philosophy here is, as much as possible,
>if it HAS to be paper make it disposable/expendable.
>
>Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
> success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
> or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Gilchrist
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
>have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
>Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
>
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>Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
>already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
>(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
>Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
>(2) To search through old msg's goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
>(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
>
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>
>
>Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
>(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
>(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
>(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
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>
>
Leonard,

Wow, that�s quite a mouthful. Sounds like you have been busy. I think that
if you ever let the source code out of your control someone would try to
sell it! How much work do you have to do at upgrade time?

Mike Gilchrist


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:28 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management

We have written our own document management program that interfaces to
Vantage. We have been using it for about 8 months. As of yesterday we
have 15GB of data for 230,000 documents in the system. So far, none have
come up missing. (Knock on wood)

It allows you to scan a document by Part Number, Job Number, Sales Order
Number, Customer, Vendor PO Number and Other. When you choose other, you
can then choose sub types that a user can enter. This saves me from adding
additional groups programmatically. The program has advanced document
scanning functions. It also allows you to attach non-scanned files to those
same groups (Such as drawings or excel files). We use another program
called Document Tracker to view, e-mail and export the files. You have the
ability to copy scanned documents from one group to another with the click
of a mouse. So if you have scanned a document, such as a CERT, for one job
you can copy it to another very easily without having to rescan it. When you
link/scan a document to a Job number it also automatically links that file
to the relevant Part. The file or scanned document is renamed the part
number and the seq number. For example. If I scan part xyz-6534 it would
become xyz-6534-1.tif. The next would be xyz-6534-2.tif and so on. We use
Fujitsu ScanPartner 600C and 620C document scanners. I think we have 8 of
them now. Very fast with automatic document feeders. The QA department
needed to stamp allot of documents so I also developed an secure program for
the inspectors. They are able to bring up a document and place their
inspection stamp anywhere on the document. It also places a date stamp just
under their inspection stamp. We scanned each of their stamps and secured
them so that each time you go into the application it prompts for a
Inspector password.

We looked at several applications to do all this and couldn't find any that
didn't cost a small fortune. Most didn't integrate into Vantage.

The original application was written in Access 2000. I am rolling out a new
version this week in Visual Basic 6.0 that has allot of new functionality.
We us SQL Server 2000 for the backend but MS Access would work just as well.

I am willing to give anyone source code/compiled application at no cost as
long as you don't resell it. You would need someone with a little VB
experience to bring it online. You would also need to purchase the Active X
Controls that I used to scan if you plan on making any changes to the
application.

You can see a few screen shots at www.ktcorp.com/vantage

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: melmike13 [mailto:mikeg.ptc@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic--Document Management


Hi All,

Is anyone using a document management system? I am looking for some
success stories to help me in my justification. After looking at 5
or 6 systems I am just about sold on LaserFiche.

Thanks,
Mike Gilchrist



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


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