MES - Employee Auto log off

We took a very similar approach, though we did do some shoring up of the MES system to limit some gross negligent errors, the ownership of that process was given to the employees. We have the added value of tying work center efficiencies to their review scores as well, operations (or the quantities) they do not claim will inevitably drag their scores down, we have seen direct evidence of improvement in labor accuracies because of this. With limited customizations and direct ties to performance evaluation, labor errors are extremely low.



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of saab_barracuda
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES - Employee Auto log off





I agree with the non-technical solution. Proper record keeping is part of each employee's job. We include failure to clock in or out as half a point on their attendance record, same as being late or leaving early. I also have an extra license of MES for the supervisors to share so they can clock out errant employees from their office and make the corrections in Labor Entry.

Chris

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Butler, Bruce" <bbutler@...> wrote:
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> Non-technical alternative…
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> I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.
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> This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.
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> An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.
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> My $.02
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> Bruce B.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any
ideas of setting this up?

Paul




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?




________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@...>
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Â
Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same idea:



We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.



Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.



It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain time and then close the job could be employed.



Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off


Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul



________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Â
This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Paul,



Dan Pringle, dpringle@... 970-667-7736.



We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set things up.



As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through “customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for “support” through 3 upgrades.



I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9. The MES Customization came through fine.





Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off


This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bob,

Thanks for the information. Yes, Please do send the screen shots and I will
review. My email address is pbennett@... or paullbennett@....

Thanks again

Paul




________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:32:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Â
Hi Paul,

Dan Pringle, dpringle@... 970-667-7736.

We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set
things up.

As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through
“customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond
me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they
would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the
expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for
“support” through 3 upgrades.

I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through
upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9.
The MES Customization came through fine.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of

Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Bo




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Non-technical alternative…



I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.



This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.



An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.



My $.02



Bruce B.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Bob,

Thanks for the information. Yes, Please do send the screen shots and I will
review. My email address is pbennett@... <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> or paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> .

Thanks again

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:32:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off


Hi Paul,

Dan Pringle, dpringle@... <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> 970-667-7736.

We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set
things up.

As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through
“customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond
me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they
would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the
expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for
“support” through 3 upgrades.

I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through
upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9.
The MES Customization came through fine.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul
L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of

Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
To: Vantage Group <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bo

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Just an FYI, we also use this technique but with a slight twist.



Our Management wants to edit the Labor transactions as the screwups occur. Vantage in it’s native state requires that the last clock out od the day be done before a Supervisor can edit the record.



We paid for a “Customization” to be done to the Labor Edit to not lock the “active” labor transaction.



As with the MES “go/return to/from break” Customization, a sub-process and a Customization were done and so far have served us well although there were dire warnings from Epicor that the unlocking of the active record could allow all kinds of vagrancies done by “bad corrections”. After a year operating with this Customization we have not encountered any data vagrancies that we cannot handle.



I personally was skeptical as Epicor at first but now I believe that this should be a setup switch that you set in Company Setup.





Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Butler, Bruce
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Non-technical alternative…



I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.



This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.



An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.



My $.02



Bruce B.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Bob,

Thanks for the information. Yes, Please do send the screen shots and I will
review. My email address is pbennett@... <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> or paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> .

Thanks again

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:32:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off


Hi Paul,

Dan Pringle, dpringle@... <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> 970-667-7736.

We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set
things up.

As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through
“customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond
me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they
would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the
expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for
“support” through 3 upgrades.

I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through
upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9.
The MES Customization came through fine.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul
L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of

Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
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Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

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Bo

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FYI-



We are on a SQL database and use Vantage MES to create the payroll file and then read the data directly from the SQL database. The mechanism tanks up the records into an Excel file where it is editable prior to transmission to Paychex for payroll processing.



Paychex wrote a translator to move the Excel data into their system where it is again presented to HR for final editing.



We had an SQL consultant write the excel spreadsheet and script to do the extract.



If anyone wants to see the script to run in SQL and the output spreadsheet, contact me directly.





Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@...







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Butler, Bruce
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Non-technical alternative…



I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.



This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.



An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.



My $.02



Bruce B.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Bob,

Thanks for the information. Yes, Please do send the screen shots and I will
review. My email address is pbennett@... <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> or paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> .

Thanks again

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:32:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off


Hi Paul,

Dan Pringle, dpringle@... <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> 970-667-7736.

We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set
things up.

As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through
“customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond
me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they
would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the
expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for
“support” through 3 upgrades.

I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through
upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9.
The MES Customization came through fine.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul
L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Of

Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

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Bo

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This does not come up that often, but we just made the switch from paper to digital labor collection over the past year (I know, welcome to the 90s J ). This maybe something for us to look into in the future. Thanks for the FYI.



BB



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carlson
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off





Just an FYI, we also use this technique but with a slight twist.

Our Management wants to edit the Labor transactions as the screwups occur. Vantage in it’s native state requires that the last clock out od the day be done before a Supervisor can edit the record.

We paid for a “Customization” to be done to the Labor Edit to not lock the “active” labor transaction.

As with the MES “go/return to/from break” Customization, a sub-process and a Customization were done and so far have served us well although there were dire warnings from Epicor that the unlocking of the active record could allow all kinds of vagrancies done by “bad corrections”. After a year operating with this Customization we have not encountered any data vagrancies that we cannot handle.

I personally was skeptical as Epicor at first but now I believe that this should be a setup switch that you set in Company Setup.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Butler, Bruce
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Non-technical alternative…

I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.

This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.

An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.

My $.02

Bruce B.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

Thanks for the information. Yes, Please do send the screen shots and I will
review. My email address is pbennett@... <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> <mailto:pbennett%40ssl.bb> or paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> .

Thanks again

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:32:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hi Paul,

Dan Pringle, dpringle@... <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> <mailto:dpringle%40epicor.com> 970-667-7736.

We engaged him through Custom Services using our Epicor Consulting rep to set
things up.

As I look at the things he did I see that it was all set up through
“customization” and does not appear to be a “code write”. Although it’s beyond
me to set it up, I can take screen shots of the things he did and maybe they
would contain enough information for you to mimic it without going through the
expense. I believe we paid about 2K for the Customization and another 2 K for
“support” through 3 upgrades.

I have not invoked the last Support event as we seem to have come through
upgrades without problem including our unsuccessful attempt to convert up to E9.
The MES Customization came through fine.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul
L Bennett
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Bob,

This sound very appropriate. We could have a Go Home Button which will end
activity on active jobs, and clock them out for the day. Now we will need some
process for the supervior to use to do the same for all employees in his
department at end of day. Can you forward his contact information to me, also
if its ok with you I will use your company s a reference for our solution?

Thanks

Paul

________________________________
From: Robert Carlson <rcarlson@... <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> <mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com> >
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Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

This isn’t exactly on the mark but I believe the technique would be the same
idea:

We wanted a process where an employee would log off a job for lunch and return
to the same job/operation after lunch with a simple “Go To Break” and Return
From break” button. This eliminates having to remember what Job/Op you were on
at break time. Works for all types of breaks, not just lunch.

Dan Pringle of Epicor wrote and installed the Customization on our MES.

It would seem an adaptation of that customization which would look at a certain
time and then close the job could be employed.

Bob Carlson

Flanagan Industries

bcarlson@... <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com> <mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Of

Chris Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

I would also be interested in this as we have to wait behind until everyone
leaves because if they forget to log off it messes up things.

Do you mean log off MES or clock out?

________________________________
From: Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@... <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> <mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:paullbennett%40yahoo.com> >
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 4:09:10
Subject: [Vantage] MES - Employee Auto log off

Hello All,

I need a process to automatically end active labor activities and clock users
out at the end of the day. Does anyone know of any existing process or have any

ideas of setting this up?

Paul

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Bo

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I agree with the non-technical solution. Proper record keeping is part of each employee's job. We include failure to clock in or out as half a point on their attendance record, same as being late or leaving early. I also have an extra license of MES for the supervisors to share so they can clock out errant employees from their office and make the corrections in Labor Entry.

Chris


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Butler, Bruce" <bbutler@...> wrote:
>
> Non-technical alternative…
>
>
>
> I have had this same request from supervisors. I have an issue with an automated solution in that it does not fill in how many units an employee has completed as it really does not have any way of knowing. We have implemented a change in process where supervisors are required to review their employees time on a daily / weekly basis for fat finger mistakes, over clocking, efficiency issues, etc As part of this process the supervisors are required to review employee’s time either at the end of their day or at the beginning of the next (up to them). If they don’t then they have a pile of ugly corrections to make.
>
>
>
> This does a lot of things, it picks up all the quantity as well as the time issues, gets supervisors actively involved with efficiencies management, puts ownership on the supervisors to get the time right, and trickles down to the operator directly from the supervisor to correct the problem where it originates from. .. Understandably, no matter how well trained your employees are there is going to be an occasional slip up, but since implementing these requirements these have diminished significantly.
>
>
>
> An even more ideal situation would be to use Vantage for our payroll time collection. This way employees who seem to hit the payroll clock pretty religiously could be expected to pass that religion onto the job scanning system.
>
>
>
> My $.02
>
>
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> Bruce B.
>
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