Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler

Actually, if you set-up your Vantage 5.0 (Progress 9.1A) or 5.1 (Progress
9.1C) database server stating that it would be both 4GL and SQL-92 (which is
the default set-up option), there is no additional set-up required for ODBC
on the server side. Simply set-up an ODBC datasource on the workstation
using the Merant 3.6 SQL92 Progress 9.1X driver that is automatically
installed when installing the Progress client on the workstation. The same
port number can be used that is used in accessing Vantage. Of course, if
there is going to be intensive ODBC calls/routines, it would better to
set-up a separate database server in Progress Explorer strictly for ODBC.
In other words, I would only use the same database server if my ODBC calls
were infrequent.

One additional note, the drivers for 9.1A seem to still be less than
reliable and stable in all circumstances. However, our work so far with the
9.1C drivers has proved to be much more stable and reliable (at least so
far).

Of course, all of this is moot if you are not on at least version 5.0.

Rick Lane
Intelligent Systems Integration, Inc.
600 Weber Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281
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FX: 330-335-7275

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-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler


Brent,
The process is exactly the same as it has been since 3.0. If you are
using ProControl, you add a broker that starts whenever Vantage is started.
Is the SQL-92 driver easier? Yes, perhaps. Does it work for what you want
it to do? No.
So Merant is the next easiest thing, unless you want to go through the pain
of exporting each table/field you want and then risk that your data is not
up-to-date. Or worse yet, you can call Custom Programming to get the extra
field you want and then pay again each time you upgrade to a new version.

Merant ODBC is the way to go for us. And why Epicor wouldn't help you
set it up, I don't know. They used to help set up the basic ODBC driver
because they actually sold it, but perhaps they don't now because they are
recommending the SQL-92 drivers.

You can also add yourself to this call number (# 748545) which my
original call to fix the Error 599 which comes up when trying to use SQL-92
in Vantage when adding a new field to the table. If Epicor/Progress would
fix the SQL-92 driver, I would be glad to use it. Until then....

And actually, if you count all the steps to set up the ODBC process in
Progress Explorer tool, it's not really any more to set up the broker for
ODBC in Procontrol.

I'd be glad to help you if I can.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics
I have taken Troy Funte's advice and have purchased a V3.6 ODBC
driver from Merant in the hope that it will resolve the problems we
are having trying to add new tables to our customized job traveler.

I am trying to install the new driver and have a few questions:

1. Do I answer "yes" to Replace Existing Drivers? and Create Default
Data Sources? during the installation?

2. Will I have to add the default tables to the traveler as well as
the new tables?

3. When you configure the new driver, is there a way to have it just
work with a test database rather than the live database?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Brent O'Donnell
Brent,
I've never installed a newer Merant version over an old one, but I would think you would Replace the existing drivers. Creating Default Data Sources is up to you. I find it clutters up the Data Sources screen with DSN's that I may never use. However, you can always delete them later.

To configure the driver for the test database, you can simply change the settings accordingly in the ODBC Administrator. For a test database of the same version (ie. Vantage 5.0 Live to 5.0 test) you should only have to change the Database path. Most other things should be the same.
When switching between 5.0 and 5.1 on my laptop, I also need to switch the Service Name from odbc50 ot odbc51. Your service names may be different.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: vtaeroman
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler


I have taken Troy Funte's advice and have purchased a V3.6 ODBC
driver from Merant in the hope that it will resolve the problems we
are having trying to add new tables to our customized job traveler.

I am trying to install the new driver and have a few questions:

1. Do I answer "yes" to Replace Existing Drivers? and Create Default
Data Sources? during the installation?

2. Will I have to add the default tables to the traveler as well as
the new tables?

3. When you configure the new driver, is there a way to have it just
work with a test database rather than the live database?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Brent O'Donnell


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Another thought on Switching between a test database and Live.... If you are switching the ODBC Driver for Progress between 5.0 and 5.1, you would also need to change the Environment variables in your "autoexec.bat" files to reflect the DLC, DLCSRV, PROMSGS, etc. for 5.1. This would require a reboot of that machine, or a batch file to set the variables back and forth.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Funte
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler


Brent,
I've never installed a newer Merant version over an old one, but I would think you would Replace the existing drivers. Creating Default Data Sources is up to you. I find it clutters up the Data Sources screen with DSN's that I may never use. However, you can always delete them later.

To configure the driver for the test database, you can simply change the settings accordingly in the ODBC Administrator. For a test database of the same version (ie. Vantage 5.0 Live to 5.0 test) you should only have to change the Database path. Most other things should be the same.
When switching between 5.0 and 5.1 on my laptop, I also need to switch the Service Name from odbc50 ot odbc51. Your service names may be different.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: vtaeroman
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler


I have taken Troy Funte's advice and have purchased a V3.6 ODBC
driver from Merant in the hope that it will resolve the problems we
are having trying to add new tables to our customized job traveler.

I am trying to install the new driver and have a few questions:

1. Do I answer "yes" to Replace Existing Drivers? and Create Default
Data Sources? during the installation?

2. Will I have to add the default tables to the traveler as well as
the new tables?

3. When you configure the new driver, is there a way to have it just
work with a test database rather than the live database?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Brent O'Donnell


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At 10:12 PM 2/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>If you are switching the ODBC Driver for Progress between 5.0 and 5.1, you
>would also need to change the Environment variables in your "autoexec.bat"
>files to reflect the DLC, DLCSRV, PROMSGS, etc. for 5.1. This would
>require a reboot of that machine, or a batch file to

On Win 9x, I think you're stuck rebooting. With NT or 2K, you can set
environment variables for each user profile. Then you could just log out &
back in as a different user to change the config.

-WC
Troy,

I called Epicor technical support to see if they could help me with
the installation of the Merant driver. Here is their response:


Be aware that the SQL-92 driver is much easier to setup and
configure. The 3.60 driver requires a great deal of manual
configuration and a manual Broker process that must be started with
Proservice before any connections are made.

Is what they are saying correct?

It looks like this is getting more and more complicated and I can
only imagine what is going to happen when we get to version 5.1.

It just seems like this is turning out to be a tremendous amount of
work and extra expense when all I want to do is add a few fields from
a couple new tables. We are at the point of thinking of contacting a
third party consultant to help with the custom traveler.

I would welcome anyone's thoughts or help on this subject.

Thanks.

Brent O'Donnell



--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> Brent,
> I've never installed a newer Merant version over an old one,
but I would think you would Replace the existing drivers. Creating
Default Data Sources is up to you. I find it clutters up the Data
Sources screen with DSN's that I may never use. However, you can
always delete them later.
>
> To configure the driver for the test database, you can simply
change the settings accordingly in the ODBC Administrator. For a
test database of the same version (ie. Vantage 5.0 Live to 5.0 test)
you should only have to change the Database path. Most other things
should be the same.
> When switching between 5.0 and 5.1 on my laptop, I also need to
switch the Service Name from odbc50 ot odbc51. Your service names
may be different.
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vtaeroman
> To: vantage@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:20 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler
>
>
> I have taken Troy Funte's advice and have purchased a V3.6 ODBC
> driver from Merant in the hope that it will resolve the problems
we
> are having trying to add new tables to our customized job
traveler.
>
> I am trying to install the new driver and have a few questions:
>
> 1. Do I answer "yes" to Replace Existing Drivers? and Create
Default
> Data Sources? during the installation?
>
> 2. Will I have to add the default tables to the traveler as well
as
> the new tables?
>
> 3. When you configure the new driver, is there a way to have it
just
> work with a test database rather than the live database?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Brent O'Donnell
>
>
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Brent,
The process is exactly the same as it has been since 3.0. If you are using ProControl, you add a broker that starts whenever Vantage is started. Is the SQL-92 driver easier? Yes, perhaps. Does it work for what you want it to do? No.
So Merant is the next easiest thing, unless you want to go through the pain of exporting each table/field you want and then risk that your data is not up-to-date. Or worse yet, you can call Custom Programming to get the extra field you want and then pay again each time you upgrade to a new version.

Merant ODBC is the way to go for us. And why Epicor wouldn't help you set it up, I don't know. They used to help set up the basic ODBC driver because they actually sold it, but perhaps they don't now because they are recommending the SQL-92 drivers.

You can also add yourself to this call number (# 748545) which my original call to fix the Error 599 which comes up when trying to use SQL-92 in Vantage when adding a new field to the table. If Epicor/Progress would fix the SQL-92 driver, I would be glad to use it. Until then....

And actually, if you count all the steps to set up the ODBC process in Progress Explorer tool, it's not really any more to set up the broker for ODBC in Procontrol.

I'd be glad to help you if I can.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: vtaeroman
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:53 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler


Troy,

I called Epicor technical support to see if they could help me with
the installation of the Merant driver. Here is their response:


Be aware that the SQL-92 driver is much easier to setup and
configure. The 3.60 driver requires a great deal of manual
configuration and a manual Broker process that must be started with
Proservice before any connections are made.

Is what they are saying correct?

It looks like this is getting more and more complicated and I can
only imagine what is going to happen when we get to version 5.1.

It just seems like this is turning out to be a tremendous amount of
work and extra expense when all I want to do is add a few fields from
a couple new tables. We are at the point of thinking of contacting a
third party consultant to help with the custom traveler.

I would welcome anyone's thoughts or help on this subject.

Thanks.

Brent O'Donnell



--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> Brent,
> I've never installed a newer Merant version over an old one,
but I would think you would Replace the existing drivers. Creating
Default Data Sources is up to you. I find it clutters up the Data
Sources screen with DSN's that I may never use. However, you can
always delete them later.
>
> To configure the driver for the test database, you can simply
change the settings accordingly in the ODBC Administrator. For a
test database of the same version (ie. Vantage 5.0 Live to 5.0 test)
you should only have to change the Database path. Most other things
should be the same.
> When switching between 5.0 and 5.1 on my laptop, I also need to
switch the Service Name from odbc50 ot odbc51. Your service names
may be different.
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vtaeroman
> To: vantage@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:20 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Merant ODBC driver for custom traveler
>
>
> I have taken Troy Funte's advice and have purchased a V3.6 ODBC
> driver from Merant in the hope that it will resolve the problems
we
> are having trying to add new tables to our customized job
traveler.
>
> I am trying to install the new driver and have a few questions:
>
> 1. Do I answer "yes" to Replace Existing Drivers? and Create
Default
> Data Sources? during the installation?
>
> 2. Will I have to add the default tables to the traveler as well
as
> the new tables?
>
> 3. When you configure the new driver, is there a way to have it
just
> work with a test database rather than the live database?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Brent O'Donnell
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
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Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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