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To All:
I just got off the phone with Steve Petska President of the EUG.
He apologized for the posting and assured me that there would be no further
postings of that nature. After many hugs, and happy tears on both sides
this thread is closed.

The moral of the story: Never put your whip completely away.

Shirley Graver
Moderator

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Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local issues
have kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to make
this perfectly clear:

TO THE EUG

How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I went
to your list with the same message you would be screaming. You didn't
have the courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was
appropriate. Being one of the moderators I get the final word on
this. This is the same response I would give to a consultant
that "advertised" their services on this list.

The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban your
account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members are
unhappy with what I've said here I strongly recomend the "Unsubscribe"
button.

Shirley Graver
Moderator
This make my "Cliff" problem look sooo tiny :D happy Monday all.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS PLEASE
READ

Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local issues
have kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to make
this perfectly clear:

TO THE EUG

How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I went
to your list with the same message you would be screaming. You didn't
have the courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was
appropriate. Being one of the moderators I get the final word on
this. This is the same response I would give to a consultant
that "advertised" their services on this list.

The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban your
account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members are
unhappy with what I've said here I strongly recomend the "Unsubscribe"
button.

Shirley Graver
Moderator






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links








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Shirley,
Please forgive my request for further information about EUG. I am not
attempting to prolong a solicitation, only to find out more information. As
I understand EUG (and I don't understand it well), it's not a choice, either
or, but as some separate group with a different format and a different yet
somewhat similar goal.
I totally understand and agree that the original post by whomever and
solicitation was out of line according to our rules, and support your
message here. If you would prefer I will withdraw my questions (or ask that
they not be answered), but I would ask that the thread as I have changed it
(EUG Details) be allowed to continue just long enough to ascertain what the
format of the EUG is and what it's purpose is and what the funding is used
for.
As an active member of this list, I am not looking for alternatives, only
how and where my money is best spent...User4User, local User Group, EUG,
Perspectives... Thankfully this list remains free both from fees and in
spirit.
I appreciate any tolerance in allowing my specific questions to be answered,
but understand if it is not the will of the group to continue my thread.
Thank you,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS PLEASE
READ


Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local issues
have kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to make
this perfectly clear:

TO THE EUG

How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I went
to your list with the same message you would be screaming. You didn't
have the courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was
appropriate. Being one of the moderators I get the final word on
this. This is the same response I would give to a consultant
that "advertised" their services on this list.

The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban your
account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members are
unhappy with what I've said here I strongly recomend the "Unsubscribe"
button.

Shirley Graver
Moderator






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
I agree Shirley. Enough is enough!!!!

_____

From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS
PLEASE READ


Shirley,

I'm with you on this one. This is ridiculous. Just another ploy to
gain
more control over their users. Independence all the way.


Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Shirley Graver
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:20 AM
To: Darren Mann
Subject: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS PLEASE
READ

Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local issues
have
kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to make this
perfectly clear:

TO THE EUG

How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I went
to
your list with the same message you would be screaming. You didn't have
the
courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was appropriate.
Being
one of the moderators I get the final word on this. This is the same
response I would give to a consultant that "advertised" their services
on
this list.

The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban your
account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members are
unhappy
with what I've said here I strongly recomend the "Unsubscribe"
button.

Shirley Graver
Moderator





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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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Count me in with this group.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Kula
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS
PLEASE READ

I agree Shirley. Enough is enough!!!!

_____

From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS
PLEASE READ


Shirley,

I'm with you on this one. This is ridiculous. Just another ploy to
gain
more control over their users. Independence all the way.


Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Shirley Graver
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:20 AM
To: Darren Mann
Subject: [Vantage] In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS PLEASE
READ

Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local issues
have
kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to make this
perfectly clear:

TO THE EUG

How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I went
to
your list with the same message you would be screaming. You didn't have
the
courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was appropriate.
Being
one of the moderators I get the final word on this. This is the same
response I would give to a consultant that "advertised" their services
on
this list.

The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban your
account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members are
unhappy
with what I've said here I strongly recomend the "Unsubscribe"
button.

Shirley Graver
Moderator





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low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links








Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



* Visit your group "vantage
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage> " on the web.

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links








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Alan,
I expect this discusion to continue for a while, and my intention is
not to quash discussion on any topic. A look back through the postings
shows everything from Elmer Fudd to Zebra printers.

However, if either AL Dewitt or Jeff Glaze opens their yap about EUG
they are both gone from this list.

If NON - EUG OFFICERS group members with to respond to your post I
have no issue with that.

Shirley Graver
Moderator
"with to respond"

Way to tie in the Elmer Fudd reference? ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: In Regard to EUG Solicitation Post ALL MEMBERS
PLEASE READ

Alan,
I expect this discusion to continue for a while, and my intention is
not to quash discussion on any topic. A look back through the postings
shows everything from Elmer Fudd to Zebra printers.

However, if either AL Dewitt or Jeff Glaze opens their yap about EUG
they are both gone from this list.

If NON - EUG OFFICERS group members with to respond to your post I have
no issue with that.

Shirley Graver
Moderator





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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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You go girl !!!!



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Shirley Graver" <shirleyg@R...>
wrote:
> Sorry to the group for not addressing this post earlier, local
issues
> have kept my attention focused away from my email. I am going to
make
> this perfectly clear:
>
> TO THE EUG
>
> How dare you come on this list and try to poach our members. If I
went
> to your list with the same message you would be screaming. You
didn't
> have the courtesy to ask the moderators of this group if it was
> appropriate. Being one of the moderators I get the final word on
> this. This is the same response I would give to a consultant
> that "advertised" their services on this list.
>
> The post is inappropriate, if you post another like it I will ban
your
> account. That goes for any other member of the list. If members
are
> unhappy with what I've said here I strongly recomend
the "Unsubscribe"
> button.
>
> Shirley Graver
> Moderator