Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)

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It would really help if Epcior used their own software in a real
manufacturing environment. No one should have to pay for an improvement
that would benefit most, if not all, users.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stuart Noble
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions
(Vantage 8)



We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.

Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2
I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
The following example describes what I am seeing.
Example:
Week 1 need 200
Week 2 need 200
Week 3 need 200
Week 4 need 200
I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800 for
supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule message
to push the product out because the PO is locked.
I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is getting
these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning software.
I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get reschedule
messages to address changes in the schedule.

Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does your
buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
messages do they ignore?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
3
Set the minimum order qty for the part to 800 pieces and you will get
a single suggested 800 pc purchase for week 1.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
4
You can also set the "Days Supply" to however many days you want to look ahead to group requirements. If you set it to 28, it will group everything for the next 4 weeks as one. You can also do this in conjunction with the minimum buy quantity. That way if you need to move the due date in or out, you will see that suggested change, but you won't get as much noise with the "change qty" suggestions.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rob Brown
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)



Set the minimum order qty for the part to 800 pieces and you will get
a single suggested 800 pc purchase for week 1.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>







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5
The last suggestion sounds valid only if the part is found in the part
master. If the item is not in the part master use releases on the
purchase order with the varying due dates. On the purchase order
notations to the vendor specify your specific delivery date requirement.
This should keep your production schedule in line and eliminate the PO
suggestions. We have run into this scenario many times.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Elizabeth Hahn
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions
(Vantage 8)



You can also set the "Days Supply" to however many days you want to look
ahead to group requirements. If you set it to 28, it will group
everything for the next 4 weeks as one. You can also do this in
conjunction with the minimum buy quantity. That way if you need to move
the due date in or out, you will see that suggested change, but you
won't get as much noise with the "change qty" suggestions.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Rob Brown
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

Set the minimum order qty for the part to 800 pieces and you will get
a single suggested 800 pc purchase for week 1.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
7
We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.



Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)



I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>





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8
we have problems with safety stock suggestions. If they are not on the plant only warehouse we do not get any. This is a problem becuase we do not want suggestions based on all the warehouses. We need them based on each warehouse. We just installed AMM but it does not seem to fix the problem.

we have also struggled with suggestions. We have just turned off a lot of the suggestions in part maintenance. Which by the way is avery cool function.

But because of the confusion that you guys are discussing we do not even look at change po suggestions. We would like too but they are too full. We also always turn off the suggestion flag every time we run time phase.

we have tried to use the settings in warehouse and bin to reduce the change po suggestions but it has not worked.


Thanks
Alan Jensen

-----Original Message-----

From: "Stuart Noble" <stuart@...>
Subj: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:37 pm
Size: 16K
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>

We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.

Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
9
You guys are really bumming me out - we have struggled with this and tried to find solutions over and over again in 6.1.
We were hoping that they would revamp the logic in Purchasing suggestions in 8.x. We quit using the Purchasing workbench
and suggestions and mostly rely on the Time Phase reports.

Julie
Mercury Minnesota Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Jensen
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com ; vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)


we have problems with safety stock suggestions. If they are not on the plant only warehouse we do not get any. This is a problem becuase we do not want suggestions based on all the warehouses. We need them based on each warehouse. We just installed AMM but it does not seem to fix the problem.

we have also struggled with suggestions. We have just turned off a lot of the suggestions in part maintenance. Which by the way is avery cool function.

But because of the confusion that you guys are discussing we do not even look at change po suggestions. We would like too but they are too full. We also always turn off the suggestion flag every time we run time phase.

we have tried to use the settings in warehouse and bin to reduce the change po suggestions but it has not worked.

Thanks
Alan Jensen

-----Original Message-----

From: "Stuart Noble" <stuart@...>
Subj: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:37 pm
Size: 16K
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>

We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.

Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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I also with Epicor would tidy this up. It would also be nice if you could set a lot/multiple size for purchase parts (like you can on manufactured), and have the lot size be vendor specific. I run into many cases where vendor A's package size is 10, but vendor B is 12. Another nice feature I have seen on other software package is to set a window on how many days to move parts in or out. For example I would not want to even see a suggested postpone PO unless it is over 2 weeks. For perspective, I have 653 line items, and Vantage (6.1) is asking me to change 499 of them, and I have 401 new suggestion lines.

-Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alan Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 06:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com; vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)



we have problems with safety stock suggestions. If they are not on the plant only warehouse we do not get any. This is a problem becuase we do not want suggestions based on all the warehouses. We need them based on each warehouse. We just installed AMM but it does not seem to fix the problem.

we have also struggled with suggestions. We have just turned off a lot of the suggestions in part maintenance. Which by the way is avery cool function.

But because of the confusion that you guys are discussing we do not even look at change po suggestions. We would like too but they are too full. We also always turn off the suggestion flag every time we run time phase.

we have tried to use the settings in warehouse and bin to reduce the change po suggestions but it has not worked.

Thanks
Alan Jensen

-----Original Message-----

From: "Stuart Noble" < stuart@tmach. <mailto:stuart%40tmach.com.au> com.au>
Subj: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:37 pm
Size: 16K
To: < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>

We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.

Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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11
Don't get bummed it works but it could be improved. We use a combo of the
time phased reports and the new PO suggestions. We just don't use the
change PO suggestions. I keep crossing my fingers that they will improve it
though.



Thanks

Alan



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Julie Lehmann
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)



You guys are really bumming me out - we have struggled with this and tried
to find solutions over and over again in 6.1.
We were hoping that they would revamp the logic in Purchasing suggestions in
8.x. We quit using the Purchasing workbench
and suggestions and mostly rely on the Time Phase reports.

Julie
Mercury Minnesota Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Jensen
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com ;
vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

we have problems with safety stock suggestions. If they are not on the plant
only warehouse we do not get any. This is a problem becuase we do not want
suggestions based on all the warehouses. We need them based on each
warehouse. We just installed AMM but it does not seem to fix the problem.

we have also struggled with suggestions. We have just turned off a lot of
the suggestions in part maintenance. Which by the way is avery cool
function.

But because of the confusion that you guys are discussing we do not even
look at change po suggestions. We would like too but they are too full. We
also always turn off the suggestion flag every time we run time phase.

we have tried to use the settings in warehouse and bin to reduce the change
po suggestions but it has not worked.

Thanks
Alan Jensen

-----Original Message-----

From: "Stuart Noble" <stuart@tmach. <mailto:stuart%40tmach.com.au> com.au>
Subj: RE: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage 8)
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:37 pm
Size: 16K
To: <vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>

We totally agree. In my belief it is definitely an oversight that it is
left out, since they included qty lock function in jobs but not Purchase
orders, yet Epicor seems unwilling to admit it, and fix the problem in
one of their many patches.

We have the situation where we can never actually complain to our
purchasing department, because there is always the excuse that the
purchasing suggestions were too complex, and they just say they thought
they were doing the right thing.

I thought the idea of the package was to order to requirements, yet
purchasing have more suggestions to change firm orders than suggestions
to make new ones.

Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of gsc1161
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Help! PO Multiple Releases & Suggestions (Vantage
8)

I share your pain. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars to
EPICOR to develop a mod for us. It eliminates suggestions to change
PO quantities, but leaves those to cancel, move, or of course, new
buys. Future MRP logic the works as we desire, instead of telling us
to reduce now, and buy more later. We wish to react to buy signals
only, and native code would have us buy too many, most of the time.

We purposely buy extra parts, mins don't always work due to changes
in vendors, etc, so we had to have this mod.

I should hope that eventually Epicor makes this an option in company
setup, to either allow quantity changes or not to PO's. I have seen
dozens of users with this same need.

P.S. -- the same logic applies to Vantage Jobs, however you can lock
job quantity, and/or schedules, independantly. Go figure. Why not
this same feature on PO's?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"how2wow" <mhow@...> wrote:
>
> I am a new user to Vantage and am trying to understand the planning
> logic for Purchase Order suggestions. I hope you can help me with a
> question on PO suggestion logic and how you work with this logic.
> The following example describes what I am seeing.
> Example:
> Week 1 need 200
> Week 2 need 200
> Week 3 need 200
> Week 4 need 200
> I want to place an order for 800 due week 1.
> After MRP runs I get a PO suggestion to reduce the PO due week 1 to
> 200 Then I get buy suggestion for weeks 2 through 4 for 200 each.
> I called EPICOR on this as I want the PO amount to remain at 800
for
> supplier discounts/minimum buys/etc.
> They suggested locking the PO which would remove it from planning.
> That poses another problem as now my schedule has changed and I
> don't need the parts until week 4. I do not get a reschedule
message
> to push the product out because the PO is locked.
> I called EPICOR again and was told to ignore the reschedule
> messages. How does the buyer know what to buy when he/she is
getting
> these messages? How do they distinguish between what message they
> need to ignore and what message the need to buy?
> It is my opinion there is a missing step with the planning
software.
> I should be able to lock the PO amount only and still get
reschedule
> messages to address changes in the schedule.
>
> Having said that, what have you done to work around the planning
> method in Vantage? I need to be able to lock the PO amount but also
> need the system to give me PO reschedule messages. Or, how does
your
> buyer distinguish between what is a good message to buy to and what
> messages do they ignore?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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