We are an automotive supplier and our customers require that we use EDI.
Are EDI costs are not too bad because we use individual client software,
instead of an expensive server.
Currently, we are in our 3rd month of our Vantage 6.1 implementation and
barely off the ground with the migration of our EDI to an outsource company
(www.enabletrading.com) which was suggested by Epicor. This company provides
the translation templates and is the middleman for all EDI transmissions for
the Vantage Enhanced EDI Interface. The cost is less then the Gentran
server, and it removes the requirement to have specialized EDI personnel
in-house, as the EDI information flows directly into Vantage (at least,
that's the theory, I have yet to see it in action).
The future of EDI was supposed to be XML, but it has yet to materialize.
When the big automakers of the world move to XML, so will we.
Robert MacDonald
Information Technology Manager
Ground Effects Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
That is exactly what I am trying to get our customers to do, supply us
with a web portal, running a GENTRAN server or the like is just not cost
effective. But for those that don't listen I have looked around, and I'm
thinking of implementing an outsourced solution by www.covalentworks.com
which seems to be a sensible both $$ and solution wise.
Thomas Wojewoda
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lydia Coffman
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
Darren:
I can only speak for my company, but while we get requests about EDI
sometimes, most of our really BIG guys (Detroit Diesel, Hamilton
Sundstrand,
Rolls Royce) realized that the expense of EDI was pretty prohibitive for
little guys like us. They all have websites that we download info and
input
info to -- I just think that unless you are already using EDI with other
customers, best to inquire about the internet sites first. Every time
someone runs in here with an EDI request, we've resolved it with a
website
hookup.
True, we pay a small fee (less than $200 a year total) for some of
these,
but I felt that EDI technology was kind of "dead" five years ago. I
know
that over time the "manpower" for this kind of info-gathering and input
costs us as well, but they are here anyhow. We've never lost a customer
or
potential customer over this -- but maybe we're just lucky.
And, on the other issue, I recently read that wages are getting so high
for
technology folks in India and Pakistan that they are considering
"outsourcing." Maybe to Iowa? Probably Malaysia. Maybe it was a joke.
Don't want to start any nasty internet rumors.
Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:00 PM
To: Vantage User Group (vantage@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
During a recent marketing meeting at our organization, I was asked if I
felt
we should spend the money to implement EDI. In my 13 years with this
company we have had 3 requests for EDI. Each time the customer backed
down
after initially threatening us to go else where if we didn't comply. (2
out
of 3 times they found a way to continue to do business with us). We are
a
small company facing tight competition from foreign markets. We can not
afford these extra costs that big corporations continue to force upon us
and
at the same time meet their demands to decrease the price of our goods.
It
seems like the days of the small American Manufacturers are limited.
Let's
hear it for a global economy!!! yippeee.... The only way a global
economy
will work is if the playing field is leveled. Raise wages in foreign
countries to our level or risk bringing down wages here to their level.
Wouldn't that be a few steps backwards!!
What does the future hold for EDI? Is it something viable or just a
passing
trend? Would it make us more attractive to large business if we were
EDI
capable?
Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
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reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission
in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in
its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Are EDI costs are not too bad because we use individual client software,
instead of an expensive server.
Currently, we are in our 3rd month of our Vantage 6.1 implementation and
barely off the ground with the migration of our EDI to an outsource company
(www.enabletrading.com) which was suggested by Epicor. This company provides
the translation templates and is the middleman for all EDI transmissions for
the Vantage Enhanced EDI Interface. The cost is less then the Gentran
server, and it removes the requirement to have specialized EDI personnel
in-house, as the EDI information flows directly into Vantage (at least,
that's the theory, I have yet to see it in action).
The future of EDI was supposed to be XML, but it has yet to materialize.
When the big automakers of the world move to XML, so will we.
Robert MacDonald
Information Technology Manager
Ground Effects Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
That is exactly what I am trying to get our customers to do, supply us
with a web portal, running a GENTRAN server or the like is just not cost
effective. But for those that don't listen I have looked around, and I'm
thinking of implementing an outsourced solution by www.covalentworks.com
which seems to be a sensible both $$ and solution wise.
Thomas Wojewoda
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lydia Coffman
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
Darren:
I can only speak for my company, but while we get requests about EDI
sometimes, most of our really BIG guys (Detroit Diesel, Hamilton
Sundstrand,
Rolls Royce) realized that the expense of EDI was pretty prohibitive for
little guys like us. They all have websites that we download info and
input
info to -- I just think that unless you are already using EDI with other
customers, best to inquire about the internet sites first. Every time
someone runs in here with an EDI request, we've resolved it with a
website
hookup.
True, we pay a small fee (less than $200 a year total) for some of
these,
but I felt that EDI technology was kind of "dead" five years ago. I
know
that over time the "manpower" for this kind of info-gathering and input
costs us as well, but they are here anyhow. We've never lost a customer
or
potential customer over this -- but maybe we're just lucky.
And, on the other issue, I recently read that wages are getting so high
for
technology folks in India and Pakistan that they are considering
"outsourcing." Maybe to Iowa? Probably Malaysia. Maybe it was a joke.
Don't want to start any nasty internet rumors.
Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:00 PM
To: Vantage User Group (vantage@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [Vantage] EDI popularity poll
During a recent marketing meeting at our organization, I was asked if I
felt
we should spend the money to implement EDI. In my 13 years with this
company we have had 3 requests for EDI. Each time the customer backed
down
after initially threatening us to go else where if we didn't comply. (2
out
of 3 times they found a way to continue to do business with us). We are
a
small company facing tight competition from foreign markets. We can not
afford these extra costs that big corporations continue to force upon us
and
at the same time meet their demands to decrease the price of our goods.
It
seems like the days of the small American Manufacturers are limited.
Let's
hear it for a global economy!!! yippeee.... The only way a global
economy
will work is if the playing field is leveled. Raise wages in foreign
countries to our level or risk bringing down wages here to their level.
Wouldn't that be a few steps backwards!!
What does the future hold for EDI? Is it something viable or just a
passing
trend? Would it make us more attractive to large business if we were
EDI
capable?
Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
********************
This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential
and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any
reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission
in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in
its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links