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Thanks for all of the replies.

We got a sweet deal from Cisco, so we are probably going that route for
phones.

I am in the process now of dropping all cat6.

We are getting new cisco switches so the vlan idea sounds promising.
Glad to hear that the phones wont take up too much bandwidth on the network.
That was my primary concern because we all know how epicor is.

thanks again

Nick Fuller




On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:25:22 -0400
Jose Gomez <jose@...> wrote:
Oh the For What Is Worth Department

3 months ago or so we decided to overhaul our old phone
system and go full
on VOIP, we are runing Asterisk (built in house) through
the same switches
as the rest of our machines on the network. We purchased
VIOP Phones (SNOM
320) which have a built in switch so that we wouldn't
have to throw cable.

We have 22 voip channels out of 10 or so are in use at
any given time, we
did several stress tests and were unable to have an
effect, with all pc's
running and all 22 channels on, VOIP was clear.

We only have a 10 MB Symetric Metro E coming in , and
internal we are still
10/100

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Mark Wonsil
<mark_wonsil@...> wrote:

> I will definitely defer to you on this one Motty. I'm
>just a software guy
> but the network guy at our place was pulling his hair out
>trying to get the
> phones to do DHCP with the phone system and the computers
>with the server.
> He did set up the VLANs like you said though and he's
>using HP Pro Curve
> switches that have some QoS manageability.
>
> I am surprised how little VoIP requires in the way of
>bandwidth. E9 on the
> other hand...
>
> ;-)
>
> Mark W.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mordechai
><mseal@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mark,
> > Usually I agree with what you say but this time…
> > First, 100Mb is more than enough for VoIP and Epicor +
>anything else you
> > are doing on your computer unless you have very heavy
>users such as CAD.
> > 2nd, if you design a good network you should create 2
>or 3 VLANs and
> > segregate voice, end users and serves – make sure you
>have switches that
> > have the QoS management and set port security to limit
>users from
> connecting
> > rogue switches that can create interference.
> > If you do all that you should be in good shape – we run
>7 sites that way,
> > each user with one Ethernet line to phone, then to
>computer – phone must
> be
> > a switch, but that is obvious and all switches are PoE
> > Motty
> >
> > BTW, we are using Riverbed with a T1 (1.5Mb) between
>our sites and all
> > users run the 'fat' client
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wonsil
><mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick writes:
> > > > Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection
>to each phone/comp
> > or do
> > > > we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed
>any performance
> > > > increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?
> > >
> > > Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch
>on one network
> > > and your data on another. While speed is one factor,
>we found that
> > > DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment.
>We bit the
> > > bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't
>do GB) and once
> > > we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.
> > >
> > > If you have the infrastructure in place then it's
>probably not an
> > > issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we
>would have separated
> > > it from the start.
> > >
> > > Mark W.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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So we are going live on E9 in a couple of months. Our current phone system
is about to take a crap on us, so we are looking at other options. All are
IP phones. Our site cabling is also a mess.

We are now running all new cat6 cabling, and doing it right. I would like to
make one drop per phone, and then tie the computer into the phone through
the PC connection on the back of the phone.

Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp or do
we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?

Thanks

Nick
3
We have recently put a phone system in too.

The downstairs office was wired for 2 outlets per desk so the PC goes through
one and the phone through the other.

The upstairs havent been rewired yet so some computers are going through the
phones.

There is no noticable speed difference at all.


We made a great job of our 19" rack by installing some neat patches. (Google:
NeatPatch).



________________________________
From: Nick <nick@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 March, 2011 15:14:29
Subject: [Vantage] E9 Network Bandwidth

Â
So we are going live on E9 in a couple of months. Our current phone system
is about to take a crap on us, so we are looking at other options. All are
IP phones. Our site cabling is also a mess.

We are now running all new cat6 cabling, and doing it right. I would like to
make one drop per phone, and then tie the computer into the phone through
the PC connection on the back of the phone.

Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp or do
we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?

Thanks

Nick






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4
Nick writes:
> Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp or do
> we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
> increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?

Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch on one network
and your data on another. While speed is one factor, we found that
DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment. We bit the
bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't do GB) and once
we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.

If you have the infrastructure in place then it's probably not an
issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we would have separated
it from the start.

Mark W.
5
Biggest problem I have run into with IP phones and chaining them to the PC is when the phone goes down or has problems the users PC connection is lost as well. I don't like leaving things to chance and when possible always pull multiple lines. This also provide redundancy should 1 line fail.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] E9 Network Bandwidth



Nick writes:
> Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp or do
> we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
> increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?

Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch on one network
and your data on another. While speed is one factor, we found that
DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment. We bit the
bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't do GB) and once
we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.

If you have the infrastructure in place then it's probably not an
issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we would have separated
it from the start.

Mark W.



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6
Mark,
Usually I agree with what you say but this timeÂ…
First, 100Mb is more than enough for VoIP and Epicor + anything else you are doing on your computer unless you have very heavy users such as CAD.
2nd, if you design a good network you should create 2 or 3 VLANs and segregate voice, end users and serves – make sure you have switches that have the QoS management and set port security to limit users from connecting rogue switches that can create interference.
If you do all that you should be in good shape – we run 7 sites that way, each user with one Ethernet line to phone, then to computer – phone must be a switch, but that is obvious and all switches are PoE
Motty


BTW, we are using Riverbed with a T1 (1.5Mb) between our sites and all users run the 'fat' client


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
>
> Nick writes:
> > Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp or do
> > we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
> > increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?
>
> Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch on one network
> and your data on another. While speed is one factor, we found that
> DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment. We bit the
> bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't do GB) and once
> we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.
>
> If you have the infrastructure in place then it's probably not an
> issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we would have separated
> it from the start.
>
> Mark W.
>
7
Can I ask why you didn't go a wireless route?

Thanks

Terry
8
I will definitely defer to you on this one Motty. I'm just a software guy
but the network guy at our place was pulling his hair out trying to get the
phones to do DHCP with the phone system and the computers with the server.
He did set up the VLANs like you said though and he's using HP Pro Curve
switches that have some QoS manageability.

I am surprised how little VoIP requires in the way of bandwidth. E9 on the
other hand...

;-)

Mark W.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mordechai <mseal@...> wrote:

>
>
> Mark,
> Usually I agree with what you say but this time�
> First, 100Mb is more than enough for VoIP and Epicor + anything else you
> are doing on your computer unless you have very heavy users such as CAD.
> 2nd, if you design a good network you should create 2 or 3 VLANs and
> segregate voice, end users and serves � make sure you have switches that
> have the QoS management and set port security to limit users from connecting
> rogue switches that can create interference.
> If you do all that you should be in good shape � we run 7 sites that way,
> each user with one Ethernet line to phone, then to computer � phone must be
> a switch, but that is obvious and all switches are PoE
> Motty
>
> BTW, we are using Riverbed with a T1 (1.5Mb) between our sites and all
> users run the 'fat' client
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Nick writes:
> > > Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp
> or do
> > > we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
> > > increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?
> >
> > Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch on one network
> > and your data on another. While speed is one factor, we found that
> > DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment. We bit the
> > bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't do GB) and once
> > we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.
> >
> > If you have the infrastructure in place then it's probably not an
> > issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we would have separated
> > it from the start.
> >
> > Mark W.
> >
>
>
>


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9
Oh the For What Is Worth Department

3 months ago or so we decided to overhaul our old phone system and go full
on VOIP, we are runing Asterisk (built in house) through the same switches
as the rest of our machines on the network. We purchased VIOP Phones (SNOM
320) which have a built in switch so that we wouldn't have to throw cable.

We have 22 voip channels out of 10 or so are in use at any given time, we
did several stress tests and were unable to have an effect, with all pc's
running and all 22 channels on, VOIP was clear.

We only have a 10 MB Symetric Metro E coming in , and internal we are still
10/100

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
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<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:

> I will definitely defer to you on this one Motty. I'm just a software guy
> but the network guy at our place was pulling his hair out trying to get the
> phones to do DHCP with the phone system and the computers with the server.
> He did set up the VLANs like you said though and he's using HP Pro Curve
> switches that have some QoS manageability.
>
> I am surprised how little VoIP requires in the way of bandwidth. E9 on the
> other hand...
>
> ;-)
>
> Mark W.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mordechai <mseal@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mark,
> > Usually I agree with what you say but this time�
> > First, 100Mb is more than enough for VoIP and Epicor + anything else you
> > are doing on your computer unless you have very heavy users such as CAD.
> > 2nd, if you design a good network you should create 2 or 3 VLANs and
> > segregate voice, end users and serves � make sure you have switches that
> > have the QoS management and set port security to limit users from
> connecting
> > rogue switches that can create interference.
> > If you do all that you should be in good shape � we run 7 sites that way,
> > each user with one Ethernet line to phone, then to computer � phone must
> be
> > a switch, but that is obvious and all switches are PoE
> > Motty
> >
> > BTW, we are using Riverbed with a T1 (1.5Mb) between our sites and all
> > users run the 'fat' client
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick writes:
> > > > Question is, can we get by on a 100mbps connection to each phone/comp
> > or do
> > > > we need to go to GigE for epicor? Have you noticed any performance
> > > > increase/decrease with 100 vs 10000 mbps?
> > >
> > > Honestly, you're better off keeping the phone switch on one network
> > > and your data on another. While speed is one factor, we found that
> > > DHCP can get very tricky depending on your equipment. We bit the
> > > bullet and pulled newer wire (the old cable wouldn't do GB) and once
> > > we pulled one, it was cheap to add a second one.
> > >
> > > If you have the infrastructure in place then it's probably not an
> > > issue but adding a new IP phone system, I wish we would have separated
> > > it from the start.
> > >
> > > Mark W.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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