Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

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Im right there with you buddy! I spent a lot of time getting bpm's and
customizations in place. No over reporting, no shipping negatives,
blocking those short cuts...our time spent chasing labor errors shipping
erros and inventory issues has gone down significantly...now if I could
only figure out a BPM that would prevent an operator from forgetting to
log into an operation entirely...hmmmm... do you have the telepathic
link module?



Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)





Rob

Pretty raw nerve issue here too... Seems like everything I work on
lately gets slowed because of the need to 1st clean up weeks/months of
mistakes (many - like DMR dispositions that are non-reversable).

There are also some people that simply ignore process & take short cuts
that end up wasting 10x the time of doing it within process (the right
way) the 1st time... Inoccent mistakes I can deal with - but that makes
me livid!

There are 4 of us that run into this stuff (that others are happily or
purposefully oblivious to) - and we probably spend 30-40% of our weeks
on it (for things that would have taken 1-2% of that time simply to do
right the 1st time).

Ugh.

Glad it's Friday as I've spent about 75% of my week THIS week on this
crap. (:o

Rob Brown

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From: Rob Bucek <rbucek@... <mailto:rbucek%40dsmfg.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:17:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)


I just couldn't figure out how to fit all that in one sentence like you
did Rob... maybe it's the raw nerve surrounding that here...

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
Rob Brown

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From: kasa_it <it@kasacontrols. com <mailto:it%40kasaco ntrols.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's
say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that
there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or
completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a
something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report
the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to
18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through
Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the
resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be
appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin

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I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to 18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin
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That's a great topic..and a frustrating one too. To the extent we have
struggled try to get adults to simply count (up to 100) you'd think we
were trying to get them to do quantum physics. For us if there is any
plausible doubt about whether it was simply a keystroke error we make
the assumption the parts were lost. First ask how much are they worth?
Will you surpass the value wrapping up how many people, direct and
indirect looking for it? If there was a way to let operators adjust
quantities to prior operations and you allowed them to do it...good luck
with that. We initiate a nonconformance - DMR - Scrap, and subsequent
processes for replacing the lost part(s). If it was determined a
keystroke error (actually very rare as were much better typists than we
are at keeping track of our parts), the supervisor makes a correction
via labor entry. Two things determine this for us:



1) The supervisor needs to be aware of training opportunities where
claiming operations complete is concerned. That will always be a
process that requires discipline to execute. We have the labor Entry
screen customized to track manual changes that tell us how often we are
fixing labor reporting and where we need focused training.

2) If we truly are good at losing parts, this really is a quality
issue that needs to be tracked, costed, and a root cause analysis
followed by corrective action as it affects your bottom line, MCT, and
on time delivery.



If you can't measure it..how can you control it?



Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of kasa_it
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)





I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's
say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that
there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or
completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a
something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report
the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to
18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through
Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the
resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be
appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin





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Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
Rob Brown




________________________________
From: kasa_it <it@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

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I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to 18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin







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I just couldn't figure out how to fit all that in one sentence like you
did Rob... maybe it's the raw nerve surrounding that here...



Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)





Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
Rob Brown

________________________________
From: kasa_it <it@... <mailto:it%40kasacontrols.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)


I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's
say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that
there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or
completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a
something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report
the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to
18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through
Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the
resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be
appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin

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Reporting scrap doesn't change the reported labor qty. Labor qty reported should be good qty.

Generally speaking, reported WIP quantities can be inherently inaccurate and should be verified. Data accuracy is a discipline issue, nothing more. Now if you are actually "losing" parts, that's another battle.

Good luck!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
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> Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
> Rob Brown
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> ________________________________
> From: kasa_it <it@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)
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> I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:
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> A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's say that it was a quantity of 20).
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> The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or completely lost.
>
> What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to 18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the resources involved?
>
> I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be appreciated!
>
> We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.
>
> Thanks!
> -Austin
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Thank you all for you input! You've given me several things to consider. Any additional input would be great too.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "saab_barracuda" <chris.clunn@...> wrote:
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> Reporting scrap doesn't change the reported labor qty. Labor qty reported should be good qty.
>
> Generally speaking, reported WIP quantities can be inherently inaccurate and should be verified. Data accuracy is a discipline issue, nothing more. Now if you are actually "losing" parts, that's another battle.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@> wrote:
> >
> > Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
> > Rob Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: kasa_it <it@>
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
> > Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)
> >
> > Â
> > I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:
> >
> > A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's say that it was a quantity of 20).
> >
> > The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or completely lost.
> >
> > What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to 18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the resources involved?
> >
> > I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be appreciated!
> >
> > We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Austin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Rob

Pretty raw nerve issue here too... Seems like everything I work on lately gets slowed because of the need to 1st clean up weeks/months of mistakes (many - like DMR dispositions that are non-reversable).

There are also some people that simply ignore process & take short cuts that end up wasting 10x the time of doing it within process (the right way) the 1st time... Inoccent mistakes I can deal with - but that makes me livid!

There are 4 of us that run into this stuff (that others are happily or purposefully oblivious to) - and we probably spend 30-40% of our weeks on it (for things that would have taken 1-2% of that time simply to do right the 1st time).

Ugh.

Glad it's Friday as I've spent about 75% of my week THIS week on this crap. (:o

 Rob Brown




________________________________
From: Rob Bucek <rbucek@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:17:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

Â
I just couldn't figure out how to fit all that in one sentence like you
did Rob... maybe it's the raw nerve surrounding that here...

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

Report it as scrap. Set up a reason code of 'lost WIP'.
Rob Brown

____________ _________ _________ __
From: kasa_it <it@kasacontrols. com <mailto:it%40kasaco ntrols.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:30:04 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Dealing with Invalid Labor Reporting (Quantity)

I'm curious how other organizations handle the following scenario:

A previous operation has quanitity that is reported as complete (let's
say that it was a quantity of 20).

The next operation gets the part they are working on only to find that
there are only 18 WIP parts. The missing two were never made or
completely lost.

What are other companies doing to address the missing two? Is there a
something simple that can be done in MES by the floor worker to report
the missing two and adjust the prior operation's completed quantity to
18 and mark the operation as non-complete? Or is is all handled through
Labor Entry as a correction and just requiring communication between the
resources involved?

I'm looking for a best-practice solution so any input would be
appreciated!

We are on Vantage 8.03.407C currently and do have AMM if that helps.

Thanks!
-Austin

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