I second this process.
It was we are currently doing to try to begin to migrate to v8
Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...
Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
pjw@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Thomas,
Build up your confidence on doing reindexing and performing a dump and load
by setting up a test server or even a test server and client separate from
your network. You can use a couple of old PC's. Your times will be slower
but the training and experience will be well worth it. I have done this on
every upgrade from Vantage 2.5 to 8.0. I create my own Master List of step
by step instructions or screen dumps to supplement epicors documents on
doing these tasks. This process has proven it's self to be a value on every
release. I would never do a upgrade, reindex, dump & Load with out a trial
run first.
Patrick Winter
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Yeah what he said! I have the Dump and Reload kit from Epicor, but it has
more disclaimers that the M$ EULA.
FEAR is the key word here.
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rick Gors
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
What about re-indexing?
Or is that the same as dump & load. I've never done it/either due to time
limits, fear, lack of experience and did I mention fear.
TIA
RG
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Speed improvements from a dump & load or any other defrag method for that
matter are going to be negligible unless you happen to have a very low
cache
hit ratio.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
I' ve done dump & reload several times after corruption and repair issues.
It takes awhile (for our 1.4GB DB). First rule....multiple backups on a
variety of media. I also vaguely recall a dump & reload somewhere in the
4.0 to 5.2 upgrade path due to some heavy duty schema changes. It's one
of
those nail-biter processes where it runs and runs and you are never sure
if
it is really getting anywhere except for occasional messages. I never
really noticed any performance improvement but then I was more interested
in
the DB running again at all.
For drive fragmentation I think touching the Progress DB (running or
not)
would be very dangerous. But perhaps Tech Support could advise about
doing
this in between the dump and the reload with something like Raxco or
Diskeeper. As long as you are going part way it might be a good chance to
re-org the physical drive along the way - unless TS thinks it too risky.
Perhaps having the DB physically contiguous (for awhile) could be a speed
benefit. Or maybe Prorest is smart enough about grabbing contiguous free
space and you could accomplish that with that method (although that method
won't address DB internal optimization so you really might need both or
all
three - dump/reload + Backup/Restore with physical defrag in between).
If anyone has solid performance info on any of this please post.
Also.....does the movement of data to 8.0 amount to a dump/reload? If so
I
will wait for that and since it will be on a virgin system the physical
drive issue should be good too.
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
I believe "dump and reload" is what you are looking for.
I have never performed on before, I think support has the info you need.
Edward F. Fox, Jr. CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone 401-596-0162 * Fax 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Sorry I forgot to put that info in.
V 6.1 Progress - any utility that will work and defragment my never
defragmented DB (never means from day 1, and we're a DCD company)
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Are we talking Progress, SQL Server, external file defrag utility,
internal
utility?????
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Is there any good way of running a defrag of the DB without being worried
that something will crash, blowup, burn, melt or sustain deadly damage?
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com < http://www.principalmfg.com/> ph. (708) 865
7500 fx. (708) 865 7632 cl. (708) 259 4864
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It was we are currently doing to try to begin to migrate to v8
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Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
pjw@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Thomas,
Build up your confidence on doing reindexing and performing a dump and load
by setting up a test server or even a test server and client separate from
your network. You can use a couple of old PC's. Your times will be slower
but the training and experience will be well worth it. I have done this on
every upgrade from Vantage 2.5 to 8.0. I create my own Master List of step
by step instructions or screen dumps to supplement epicors documents on
doing these tasks. This process has proven it's self to be a value on every
release. I would never do a upgrade, reindex, dump & Load with out a trial
run first.
Patrick Winter
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Yeah what he said! I have the Dump and Reload kit from Epicor, but it has
more disclaimers that the M$ EULA.
FEAR is the key word here.
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rick Gors
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
What about re-indexing?
Or is that the same as dump & load. I've never done it/either due to time
limits, fear, lack of experience and did I mention fear.
TIA
RG
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Speed improvements from a dump & load or any other defrag method for that
matter are going to be negligible unless you happen to have a very low
cache
hit ratio.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
I' ve done dump & reload several times after corruption and repair issues.
It takes awhile (for our 1.4GB DB). First rule....multiple backups on a
variety of media. I also vaguely recall a dump & reload somewhere in the
4.0 to 5.2 upgrade path due to some heavy duty schema changes. It's one
of
those nail-biter processes where it runs and runs and you are never sure
if
it is really getting anywhere except for occasional messages. I never
really noticed any performance improvement but then I was more interested
in
the DB running again at all.
For drive fragmentation I think touching the Progress DB (running or
not)
would be very dangerous. But perhaps Tech Support could advise about
doing
this in between the dump and the reload with something like Raxco or
Diskeeper. As long as you are going part way it might be a good chance to
re-org the physical drive along the way - unless TS thinks it too risky.
Perhaps having the DB physically contiguous (for awhile) could be a speed
benefit. Or maybe Prorest is smart enough about grabbing contiguous free
space and you could accomplish that with that method (although that method
won't address DB internal optimization so you really might need both or
all
three - dump/reload + Backup/Restore with physical defrag in between).
If anyone has solid performance info on any of this please post.
Also.....does the movement of data to 8.0 amount to a dump/reload? If so
I
will wait for that and since it will be on a virgin system the physical
drive issue should be good too.
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
I believe "dump and reload" is what you are looking for.
I have never performed on before, I think support has the info you need.
Edward F. Fox, Jr. CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone 401-596-0162 * Fax 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Sorry I forgot to put that info in.
V 6.1 Progress - any utility that will work and defragment my never
defragmented DB (never means from day 1, and we're a DCD company)
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Are we talking Progress, SQL Server, external file defrag utility,
internal
utility?????
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Database defragmentation
Is there any good way of running a defrag of the DB without being worried
that something will crash, blowup, burn, melt or sustain deadly damage?
Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com < http://www.principalmfg.com/> ph. (708) 865
7500 fx. (708) 865 7632 cl. (708) 259 4864
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* Visit your group " vantage
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
a.. Visit your group "vantage" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links