Data collection

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1
The employee can override his shift to one without the
lunch break -- but only in Office Data Collection -- not Plant Floor Data
Collection.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sarah.vareschi@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Data collection


> We are in the process of changing our system so we process payroll off of
> vantage data (we are currently running dual systems).
>
> We have found a problem and I am wondering how others handle it.
>
> In vantage, data collection is set-up to automatically subtract 1/2 hour
> lunch 12-12:30. Our policy is if you leave the building or take a longer
> lunch, you must clock-out. If an employee punches out for lunch at 12:01
> and punches back in at 12:29, vantage still subtracts the lunch time from
> 12:00-12:01 and from 12:29-12:30. So, we are not paying the employees for
> all their time.
>
> Currently, we are handling this via a report that runs to show anyone that
> punched out or in between 12 and 12:30 and we are adjusting all the lunch
> time. This can be time consuming, so I was wondering if anyone has a
better
> method?
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Have any of you found a solution to log a team into a job? In other words,
when the team leader logs into a job, the three people working with him
would automatically be log into the job.

Martin Nijdam (Jr. Ing.)
Suss Woodcraft Int'l
(514) 363-3565
3
What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul
4
Hello,
My company is looking to upgrade from Vista to Vantage. Have any of you
done this already? What difficulties did you run into, if any and do you
have any suggestions?

One of our main complaints in Vista is the financials and the necessity for
many manual entries. Is Vantage truly fully integrated or does it also
require a lot of manual entries in accounting i.e. moving from inventory to
WIP and then to COS?

I would appreciate any feedback you are willing to give.

Thank you,

Becca Miller
Technical Coordinator
Hospital Systems, Inc.
bmiller@...
5
At 05:10 PM 7/11/2001 , you wrote:
>many manual entries. Is Vantage truly fully integrated or does it also
>require a lot of manual entries in accounting i.e. moving from inventory to
>WIP and then to COS?

Oh yeah... It makes so many automatic entries you may need a full time
person to figure them out. Unfortunately, documentation on it all is
sorely lacking. You do have the option to turn off the "interfaces" to the
various modules and do it manually, too.

-Wayne Cox
6
Hello,

Is there anyone in the Bay Area that is running Vantage that would be
willing to chat with me about their experiences? My company is looking to
move from Vista to Vantage and I am trying to collect as much background as
possible before we do. Any help would be appreciated.

Becca Miller
Technical Coordinator
Hospital Systems, Inc.
bmiller@...
7
Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all of
their own programming and system development in-house during the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

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Our engineers did a study and found that we are spending $200,000 per year in paying employees to clock through the day. That's 200 some employees spending 15 minutes a day at the time clock - a minimum of 9 punches, more if they switch jobs, at several minutes each time punch (clock in, job in, break out, break in, lunch out, lunch in, break out, break in, clock out). We even have custom programming to make it almost as streamlined as Jim just suggested.

What we are considering is a 'cell' based manufacturing where only the supervisor monitors time at his/her station, with 5 or 6 workers per station. Parts are issued enmass (in complete, sealed crates), and costing for the job is done through mass-issue, and supervisor time entry. We're studying this approach very seriously.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Jim McKechnie
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all of
their own programming and system development in-house during the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/> Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
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9
Which bay area? SF, Green, or Tampa?

-----Original Message-----
From: Becca Miller [mailto:bmiller@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:20 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage


Hello,

Is there anyone in the Bay Area that is running Vantage that would be
willing to chat with me about their experiences? My company is looking to
move from Vista to Vantage and I am trying to collect as much background as
possible before we do. Any help would be appreciated.

Becca Miller
Technical Coordinator
Hospital Systems, Inc.
bmiller@...


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
10
Troy,

We have switched to the cell concept about 8 months ago, but in most
cases each employee still clocks in and out. Our powder coating
department only has a supervisor clocks in and out of jobs. We have a
wrap around rate to cover all 8 people in that department and it works
quite well. We would also like to eliminate more clocking in and out
steps.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [SMTP:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

Our engineers did a study and found that we are spending
$200,000 per year in paying employees to clock through the day. That's
200 some employees spending 15 minutes a day at the time clock - a
minimum of 9 punches, more if they switch jobs, at several minutes each
time punch (clock in, job in, break out, break in, lunch out, lunch in,
break out, break in, clock out). We even have custom programming to
make it almost as streamlined as Jim just suggested.
What we are considering is a 'cell' based manufacturing where
only the supervisor monitors time at his/her station, with 5 or 6
workers per station. Parts are issued enmass (in complete, sealed
crates), and costing for the job is done through mass-issue, and
supervisor time entry. We're studying this approach very seriously.
Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics
11
Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data Collection product (go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan inputs the job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other features that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off the job, this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities were completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in real-time because I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges anything we assume to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a way to get past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all of
their own programming and system development in-house during the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoocom/group/vantage/files/> Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
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It all comes down to: Is the time it takes to gather the information... worth the information (and the reliability of the information) that you get when you're done. In our case, we spend lots of time doing data collection, and many times we find that the data is innaccurate - not due to Vantage so much as getting people to CARE about clocking so that they get the right job, the right quantities, etc. That's the main reason we are considering the Cell approach. We collect THOUSANDS of lines of labor data, only to find we can't depend on it for efficiencies or anything else anyway.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sanders
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data Collection product (go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan inputs the job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other features that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off the job, this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities were completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in real-time because I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges anything we assume to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a way to get past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all of
their own programming and system development in-house during the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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13
I apologize, we tend to think of our selves as THE Bay Area. I was
referring to the San Francisco Bay Area.

Thank you,

Becca Miller
Technical Coordinator
Hospital Systems, Inc.
bmiller@...


-----Original Message-----
From: PLAMAN DICK [mailto:dick.plaman@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:35 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage


Which bay area? SF, Green, or Tampa?

-----Original Message-----
From: Becca Miller [mailto:bmiller@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:20 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage


Hello,

Is there anyone in the Bay Area that is running Vantage that would be
willing to chat with me about their experiences? My company is looking to
move from Vista to Vantage and I am trying to collect as much background as
possible before we do. Any help would be appreciated.

Becca Miller
Technical Coordinator
Hospital Systems, Inc.
bmiller@...


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



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14
Hi there, Becca

We're located in Livermore, and I'd be happy to talk to you about
Vantage. Are you aware of the N. Cal. Vantage Users Group
meeting this afternoon?

Malcolm

> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> From: "Becca Miller" <bmiller@...>
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:03:52 -0700
> Send reply to: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage
>
> I apologize, we tend to think of our selves as THE Bay Area. I was
> referring to the San Francisco Bay Area.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Becca Miller
> Technical Coordinator
> Hospital Systems, Inc.
> bmiller@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PLAMAN DICK [mailto:dick.plaman@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:35 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage
>
>
> Which bay area? SF, Green, or Tampa?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Becca Miller [mailto:bmiller@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:20 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Playing with Vantage
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there anyone in the Bay Area that is running Vantage that would be
> willing to chat with me about their experiences? My company is looking to
> move from Vista to Vantage and I am trying to collect as much background as
> possible before we do. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Becca Miller
> Technical Coordinator
> Hospital Systems, Inc.
> bmiller@...
>


===============================================
Malcolm Spann
MIS
Malmberg Engineering
(925) 606-6500 x19
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15
Troy, you are on target. Our situation with CARE and inaccurate data is
the same.

We currently have a Powder Coat work center that has costing for the
eight people and facility rolled into one rate, with only one person
signing on and off jobs. If we were to make our cells different "Work
Centers" based upon the crew size, then we could put in rates to cost
each work center based upon the number of people in the cell. We could
then have only the cell leaders clock into and out of cell jobs. We
could simply change the work centers as each new and repeat job is
released. In 6 weeks we could be operating the entire shop on that
system. For that matter, we could change the work centers on all jobs
on the floor as well and make an instant change say effective a Monday
morning. This would eliminate confusion as to which jobs should now be
signed on and off only by a cell leader.

This of course still leaves individuals to sign on and off out-of-cell
jobs, but it could reduce lost labor from signing in and out, and data
reporting errors. As most all of our jobs now involve cells, this would
also be fairly easy to implement as well.

Do you see any other problems with changes to cell work centers?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [SMTP:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

It all comes down to: Is the time it takes to gather the
information... worth the information (and the reliability of the
information) that you get when you're done. In our case, we spend lots
of time doing data collection, and many times we find that the data is
innaccurate - not due to Vantage so much as getting people to CARE about
clocking so that they get the right job, the right quantities, etc.
That's the main reason we are considering the Cell approach. We collect
THOUSANDS of lines of labor data, only to find we can't depend on it for
efficiencies or anything else anyway.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sanders
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data
Collection product (go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan
inputs the job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other
features that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off
the job, this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities
were completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in
real-time because I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the
production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges
anything we assume to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a
way to get past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of
today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility
and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was
spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about
all of
their own programming and system development in-house during
the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps
created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It
wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent
just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say
this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are
going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps.
An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You
would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the
previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log
into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut
it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is
running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it
is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an
option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous
job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment,
when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest
Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their
employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee
new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the
employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and
the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer
in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no
management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary
to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this
group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the
employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has
to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence.
We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot
department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added
into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but
they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original
version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom
modification.

Paul

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We have been struggling with this issue too,
We thought if we treat the workcenter as if it were the employees add an
average labor amount based on average amount of employees working on that
machine, and assign a line leader to log the WorkCenter in and out, we make
one person accountable for qty's and one at the data systems to log in and
out of jobs.

Pro's
1. Accurate time of Workcenter running on each job (Burden Correct)
2. Quantities more accurate (1) person accountable at workcenter
3. No wasting time at Data terminals
4. Better analysis of workcenter load

Con's
1. Accountability of each employee
2. Each Employee Efficiencies not trackable
3. Supervisors more responsible keeping track of employees

Please let me know what you think
Thank You

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


It all comes down to: Is the time it takes to gather the information...
worth the information (and the reliability of the information) that you get
when you're done. In our case, we spend lots of time doing data collection,
and many times we find that the data is innaccurate - not due to Vantage so
much as getting people to CARE about clocking so that they get the right
job, the right quantities, etc. That's the main reason we are considering
the Cell approach. We collect THOUSANDS of lines of labor data, only to find
we can't depend on it for efficiencies or anything else anyway.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sanders
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data Collection product
(go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan inputs the
job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other features
that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off the job,
this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities were completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in real-time because
I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges anything we assume
to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a way to get
past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all of
their own programming and system development in-house during the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

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You don't need to have the workers clock on and off for breaks and lunch
(total of 6 transactions per emp per shift). Vantage can set these times to
be automatically deducted without the worker actually having to "do the
transaction". Then the supervisor can be used to insure the lunch room is
cleared out on time and that breaks are taken when they should be by doing
the "walk around" at the appropriate times.

Saves worker's time for production and the supervisor is kept busy managing
the workers not their non-value punch in's and out's.

Best regards,

Jerry Solobay

IS/IT Manager

Ebco Aerospace
jsolobay@...
www.ebco.com
18
Don,

Regarding your Con's,

I think we are currently addressing some of these issues as we have made
cell leaders the official lead person over the other cell workers. In
our lean manufacturing approach, we track cell production rates on
production boards every 15 to 30 minutes. In order to keep the cells
meeting their target rates, cell leaders have to keep efficiencies up
within the cell. They do this by pushing employees that are not keep up
(in fact sometimes the whole team does) or by moving a slower employee
to a different position within the cell. Individual employee
accountability would be the item that would suffer, but hopefully the
supervision would handle that. In our situation right now all cell
employees currently clocking in and out on jobs, but individual
efficiencies are really dependant on the total cell and how they
function as a unit.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Kollman [SMTP:donk@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:29 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

We have been struggling with this issue too,
We thought if we treat the workcenter as if it were the
employees add an
average labor amount based on average amount of employees
working on that
machine, and assign a line leader to log the WorkCenter in and
out, we make
one person accountable for qty's and one at the data systems to
log in and
out of jobs.

Pro's
1. Accurate time of Workcenter running on each job (Burden
Correct)
2. Quantities more accurate (1) person accountable at workcenter
3. No wasting time at Data terminals
4. Better analysis of workcenter load

Con's
1. Accountability of each employee
2. Each Employee Efficiencies not trackable
3. Supervisors more responsible keeping track of employees

Please let me know what you think
Thank You

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


It all comes down to: Is the time it takes to gather the
information...
worth the information (and the reliability of the information)
that you get
when you're done. In our case, we spend lots of time doing data
collection,
and many times we find that the data is innaccurate - not due to
Vantage so
much as getting people to CARE about clocking so that they get
the right
job, the right quantities, etc. That's the main reason we are
considering
the Cell approach. We collect THOUSANDS of lines of labor data,
only to find
we can't depend on it for efficiencies or anything else anyway.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sanders
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data
Collection product
(go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan
inputs the
job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other
features
that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off
the job,
this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities
were completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in
real-time because
I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the
production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges
anything we assume
to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a
way to get
past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of
today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility
and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was
spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about
all of
their own programming and system development in-house during
the 60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps
created that most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It
wasn't until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent
just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say
this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are
going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps.
An example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You
would do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the
previous job off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log
into a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut
it off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is
running multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it
is currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an
option in the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous
job. If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment,
when an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest
Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their
employee number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee
new he or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the
employee left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and
the system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer
in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no
management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary
to track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this
group to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the
employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has
to wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence.
We hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot
department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added
into Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but
they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original
version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom
modification.

Paul

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Jim
If you are lucky enough to get a response from Caesar Developments can you
ask them to reply to my many faxes & e-mails
Regards

Dennis O'Hara
Finance Controller
The Signcraft Group

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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [SMTP:ssanders@...]
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2001 23:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

Jim,
You really should check out Caesar Development's Data Collection
product (go
to the Links section of our group page on Yahoo). One scan inputs
the job,
assembly and sequence values. Plus there are a bunch of other
features that
make it well worth the money.

As to your comment about eliminating the task of punching off the
job, this
is where Vantage collects information about what quantities were
completed
or scrapped. This is information that I like having in real-time
because I
can give customers a better estimate of where we are in the
production
process. I like the critical thinking that challenges anything we
assume to
be a requirement, but this is one that I can't really see a way to
get past.

$0.02
======================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McKechnie [mailto:jrmckechnie@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Hi Patrick,

It's funny when I look at the labor transactions in many of
today's
systems, Epicor remaining status quo, in that flexibility and
elimination of non-value added efforts are not there. I was
spoiled in
that I worked for a large aerospace firm that did just about all
of
their own programming and system development in-house during the
60's
and 70's. We had all of the rigid, traditional steps created that
most
other companies had developed to "contain" the inmates. It wasn't
until
the 80's that we began to realize how much time people spent just
tracking their time. After this long diatribe, let me say this:

Labor transactions are non-value added, however if we are going to
perform them then why don't we eliminate some of the steps. An
example
would be to eliminate the task of punching off the job. You would
do
this by using the log in of the next job to shut the previous job
off.
In most instances, it is unlikely that an employee would log into
a
second job and still be working on the previous job, so shut it
off. In
those situations, and we have them, when an operator is running
multiple
machines and he/she had already begun the first job (and it is
currently
cutting, soldering or machining) then there should be an option in
the
transaction to ask if you are still working on the previous job.
If
not, then labor would cease on that job.

This same thing goes for attendance. In my old environment, when
an
employee came to work, all they did was go to the nearest Wavetek
ten-key terminal and switch it "on" and key in their employee
number.
The computer response back would be "OK!" and the employee new he
or she
was now clocked in for attendance. Likewise, when the employee
left the
facility, he or she would perform the same transaction, and the
system
now showed that person as "left" the facility and no longer in
attendance.

I think the labor transactions must be simplified because no
management
wants their employees spending any more time than necessary to
track
their time. We have taken some of the suggestions from this group
to
set up our wedge barcode readers. We are providing the employee
barcodes at the computer terminal and the employee only has to
wand
three barcodes: employee, job number and operation sequence. We
hope to
prove it out tomorrow and Friday so we can have our pilot
department go
live on Monday.

My apologies for the wordiness.

Jim McKechnie
General Manager
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc.
jim@...
jrmckechnie@...
(619) 527-6100

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection

What are some of your mods? Any you think should be added into
Vantage
for
all?

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Thanks Lonnie,

We have the source for Vantage 4... It took some doing, but they
grandfathered us in since we purchased it with the original
version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

Paul

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The guys at Caesar Development are programmers. Try contacting Kevin Kadamus
at ISI kevink@.... They are consultants that resell Caesar Dev
programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis O'Hara [mailto:d.ohara@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:38 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Data collection


Jim
If you are lucky enough to get a response from Caesar Developments can you
ask them to reply to my many faxes & e-mails
Regards

Dennis O'Hara
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The Signcraft Group

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version. I
guess we will be forced to do yet another custom modification.

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