We just upgraded to 800.805 and as of today Vantage workstation requirements have increased to 2.8Ghz Rec. and 1.6Ghz Min. Also the RAM min is now 1GB. I can remember when service packs help apps lower their resource requirements...LOL
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
Is that really correct?
2.8GHz?
That just doesn't sound right. I mean some of the most complicated 3D computer games out there only need a 1.7GHz to 2GHz.
I have run the 8.0 client on a laptop with a P2 400MHz and it has ran just fine.
Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
I too am thinking thin clients and TS for the shop floor DC workstations - at least for 8.0. But for right now I have people running a lot of different apps besides Vantage who need local resources and processing. So their Celeron 500's are getting bumped up to something that will eventually run 8.0. Buying them one at a time each month spreads the pain. I just got several new servers (one for AD, one for Exchange and one for printers and other shared resources, plus a couple NAS boxes) so I can't be asking for a TS server. So I'm just trying to figure out if the cheaper AMD models will be suitable for 8.0.
Thanks,
-Todd
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
I have started implementing Citrix and thin clients for our 20 or so office users. The initial cost analysis for us came out to be about the same as purchasing all new PCs (due to licensing cost and a server purchase). However, I figured the next time a major upgrade is needed all I will need to do is purchase a new server at about ¼ the cost of the whole network upgrade. There are also a lot of perks that come with Citrix that are pretty attractive to a network admin.
The one thing I question is whether or not Citrix was overkill. I wonder if I could have got similar results from simply using Terminal server which you need to purchase licenses for anyway in order to use Citrix. I believe the answer to that lies in the future as I get more familiar with Citrix or as Microsoft tries to get more familiar with Citrix.
Finally, the thin clients themselves are not a good fit in some situations.
Bruce Butler
IT Manager
Knappe & Koester, Inc.
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
* I am gradually replacing PCs in our plant for the clerical type functions (shipping, QA, supervisors, etc...) - probably doing one for the next year. I want to be Vantage 8.0 "compliant". My understanding is that a minumum of a 2.8Ghz CPU is recommended by Epicor.
I have been quoted a very good price on some HP small form factor PCs - one package of which includes 17" LCD monitors for $100 more. I have one of the HP small form factor PCs already and have liked it a lot and for under $700 with XP-Pro they are hard to beat with home builts.
Question is....the lower cost systems are built with AMD Athalon 64 3.2 processors. BUT!!! apaprently the 3.2 is not the Ghz clock speed which is really 2.0Ghz. Is this just an AMD marketing ploy? Do they really believe these are equivalent to an Intel 3.2Ghz speed? Am I going to get excuses from Epicor if performance lags when we get to 8.0 because the clock speed is not > 2.8Ghz? Anyone have experience with these on a head to head performance basis?
Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
Is that really correct?
2.8GHz?
That just doesn't sound right. I mean some of the most complicated 3D computer games out there only need a 1.7GHz to 2GHz.
I have run the 8.0 client on a laptop with a P2 400MHz and it has ran just fine.
Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
I too am thinking thin clients and TS for the shop floor DC workstations - at least for 8.0. But for right now I have people running a lot of different apps besides Vantage who need local resources and processing. So their Celeron 500's are getting bumped up to something that will eventually run 8.0. Buying them one at a time each month spreads the pain. I just got several new servers (one for AD, one for Exchange and one for printers and other shared resources, plus a couple NAS boxes) so I can't be asking for a TS server. So I'm just trying to figure out if the cheaper AMD models will be suitable for 8.0.
Thanks,
-Todd
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
I have started implementing Citrix and thin clients for our 20 or so office users. The initial cost analysis for us came out to be about the same as purchasing all new PCs (due to licensing cost and a server purchase). However, I figured the next time a major upgrade is needed all I will need to do is purchase a new server at about ¼ the cost of the whole network upgrade. There are also a lot of perks that come with Citrix that are pretty attractive to a network admin.
The one thing I question is whether or not Citrix was overkill. I wonder if I could have got similar results from simply using Terminal server which you need to purchase licenses for anyway in order to use Citrix. I believe the answer to that lies in the future as I get more familiar with Citrix or as Microsoft tries to get more familiar with Citrix.
Finally, the thin clients themselves are not a good fit in some situations.
Bruce Butler
IT Manager
Knappe & Koester, Inc.
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] CPU Speed Comparisons - Intel P4 vs. AMD Athalon 64
* I am gradually replacing PCs in our plant for the clerical type functions (shipping, QA, supervisors, etc...) - probably doing one for the next year. I want to be Vantage 8.0 "compliant". My understanding is that a minumum of a 2.8Ghz CPU is recommended by Epicor.
I have been quoted a very good price on some HP small form factor PCs - one package of which includes 17" LCD monitors for $100 more. I have one of the HP small form factor PCs already and have liked it a lot and for under $700 with XP-Pro they are hard to beat with home builts.
Question is....the lower cost systems are built with AMD Athalon 64 3.2 processors. BUT!!! apaprently the 3.2 is not the Ghz clock speed which is really 2.0Ghz. Is this just an AMD marketing ploy? Do they really believe these are equivalent to an Intel 3.2Ghz speed? Am I going to get excuses from Epicor if performance lags when we get to 8.0 because the clock speed is not > 2.8Ghz? Anyone have experience with these on a head to head performance basis?
Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
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