Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9

Laraine,

We moved from 8.03 to 9.05. The only assistance we had was with moving some of
our customizations. Our operation is not complex and we were only using Vantage
1 year prior to our move to E9.05. The critical think for us was the testing
and re-testing to ensure that each module worked as expected; this was done via
several weeks of simulations but of course some things were not caught as
expected.

We received a cost from Epicor to do the migration, the first cost was for a
complete Project i.e. with all phases etc which was not the route I wanted to
go. The second cost was not bad but I felt we knew enough to do it in-house and
we did. The other aspect of the migration that should be looked at is your
reports. This causes us several headaches especially with the schema changes
etc. None the less we are up and running, currently on 9.05.602a with very
little issues and the program has become stable over patches.

Paul





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From: laraines422 <laraines422@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:54:49 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9


Hi All,

Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 – and come up with a final
cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark number? We're
talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost productivity, etc. (we know
that number is incalculable!).

We have two companies – both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling (yet!) or
other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly simple, we do have
a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and both companies are similar
to one another in their business processes. We have 15 regular user and 3 MES
licenses for both companies, we've been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with
our databases are around 1.2 GB and 1.0 GB respectively.

Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware costs
are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in the core
application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services with data
conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course, we'll try to
minimize the latter two – but better to be prepared than not.

We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our management –
before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We have asked Epicor for
a number too – I'm not sure if they'll quote anything without a conversation or
not.

Thanks in advance!
Laraine







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Hi All,

Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 – and come up with a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).

We have two companies – both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling (yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and both companies are similar to one another in their business processes. We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2 GB and 1.0 GB respectively.

Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course, we'll try to minimize the latter two – but better to be prepared than not.

We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our management – before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We have asked Epicor for a number too – I'm not sure if they'll quote anything without a conversation or not.

Thanks in advance!
Laraine
Remember to factor in the heart attacks, strokes, and brain cancer rates
for those actually doing the upgrade... HTH



Were trying to figure out the same thing..



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of laraines422
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9





Hi All,

Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 - and come up with
a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark
number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost
productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).

We have two companies - both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling
(yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly
simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and
both companies are similar to one another in their business processes.
We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've
been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2
GB and 1.0 GB respectively.

Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware
costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in
the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services
with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course,
we'll try to minimize the latter two - but better to be prepared than
not.

We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our
management - before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We
have asked Epicor for a number too - I'm not sure if they'll quote
anything without a conversation or not.

Thanks in advance!
Laraine





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Rob -

I knew that I could count on you to inject even MORE humor to this. Guess I didn't have to leave that door open very wide! :-)

I'll share my info if you'll share yours.

Laraine



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Remember to factor in the heart attacks, strokes, and brain cancer rates
> for those actually doing the upgrade... HTH
>
>
>
> Were trying to figure out the same thing..
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of laraines422
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 - and come up with
> a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark
> number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost
> productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).
>
> We have two companies - both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling
> (yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly
> simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and
> both companies are similar to one another in their business processes.
> We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've
> been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2
> GB and 1.0 GB respectively.
>
> Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware
> costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in
> the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services
> with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course,
> we'll try to minimize the latter two - but better to be prepared than
> not.
>
> We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our
> management - before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We
> have asked Epicor for a number too - I'm not sure if they'll quote
> anything without a conversation or not.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Laraine
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Laraine
This is a hard call as in theory you can do 100% with no outside support, it really depends on the level of expertise and patient you have with Epicor
We did it all internally. I would be very careful with how you use Epicor's services for the install and data conversions as there have been many issues moving from system to system that could extend the engagement time.
we did utilze VMWare to make it a little easier

And, good luck! We are now on 905.602a and things are not that badÂ…

Motty


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "laraines422" <laraines422@...> wrote:
>
> Rob -
>
> I knew that I could count on you to inject even MORE humor to this. Guess I didn't have to leave that door open very wide! :-)
>
> I'll share my info if you'll share yours.
>
> Laraine
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Remember to factor in the heart attacks, strokes, and brain cancer rates
> > for those actually doing the upgrade... HTH
> >
> >
> >
> > Were trying to figure out the same thing..
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of laraines422
> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:55 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 - and come up with
> > a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark
> > number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost
> > productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).
> >
> > We have two companies - both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling
> > (yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly
> > simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and
> > both companies are similar to one another in their business processes.
> > We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've
> > been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2
> > GB and 1.0 GB respectively.
> >
> > Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware
> > costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in
> > the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services
> > with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course,
> > we'll try to minimize the latter two - but better to be prepared than
> > not.
> >
> > We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our
> > management - before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We
> > have asked Epicor for a number too - I'm not sure if they'll quote
> > anything without a conversation or not.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Laraine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Due to the multiple books feature, One challenge was that wherever the Div/Dept/Chart were fields in files, such as invcdtl.salesdiv, invcdtl.salesdept, invcdtl.saleschart – those fields are now obsolete and have been replaced with file TRANGLC. – So in our conversion, we had a lot of reports and BAQ's that needed re-written due to that file. It was challenging to determine what selection criteria was needed to link the files because EPicor doesn't seem to have that documentation.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "laraines422" <laraines422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 – and come up with a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).
>
> We have two companies – both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling (yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and both companies are similar to one another in their business processes. We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2 GB and 1.0 GB respectively.
>
> Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course, we'll try to minimize the latter two – but better to be prepared than not.
>
> We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our management – before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We have asked Epicor for a number too – I'm not sure if they'll quote anything without a conversation or not.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Laraine
>
Not to take this thread sideways but this change is not to be taken lightly. It is not easy to get prior BAQ's to work properly. Worse yet ODBC will not work with this table (as far as we can see) since the TranGLC table stores the key fields as key1, key2 etc. and are Character. To link from Invcdtl you would normally use Invoice number and line which are numeric. Surprisingly it works in BAQ but ODBC will not allow it. The ARInvoice and InvoiceLine fields in TranGLC are numeric but are blank, go figure.

Keith Mailloux
Ferguson Perforating



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pklein256
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Budget to Upgrade from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9



Due to the multiple books feature, One challenge was that wherever the Div/Dept/Chart were fields in files, such as invcdtl.salesdiv, invcdtl.salesdept, invcdtl.saleschart - those fields are now obsolete and have been replaced with file TRANGLC. - So in our conversion, we had a lot of reports and BAQ's that needed re-written due to that file. It was challenging to determine what selection criteria was needed to link the files because EPicor doesn't seem to have that documentation.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "laraines422" <laraines422@...<mailto:laraines422@...>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone upgraded from Vantage 8.03.4xx to Epicor 9 - and come up with a final cost on the upgrade? If so, could you share your ballpark number? We're talking "hard costs" here, not estimates on lost productivity, etc. (we know that number is incalculable!).
>
> We have two companies - both are not too complex (no MRP or Scheduling (yet!) or other Vantage-driven processes, our customizations are fairly simple, we do have a slew of ODBC and BAQ forms and reports, etc.) and both companies are similar to one another in their business processes. We have 15 regular user and 3 MES licenses for both companies, we've been on Vantage (6 and 8) since 2006, with our databases are around 1.2 GB and 1.0 GB respectively.
>
> Our primary interest is with the Epicor costs; we know that the hardware costs are a given (and any additional Epicor functions not included in the core application), but our plan is to leverage Epicor's services with data conversion, consulting, training, etc., as needed. Of course, we'll try to minimize the latter two - but better to be prepared than not.
>
> We're trying to look at a ballpark number now to present to our management - before we even wade into the serious-commitment phase. We have asked Epicor for a number too - I'm not sure if they'll quote anything without a conversation or not.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Laraine
>



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