Automated data collection

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1
Thank a lot for the suggestions, I'll look into them and see what can
be done.

AS for answers to some questions:

1. We make the tool that is needed to make the ordered part.
2. The goal of the project is to eliminate the human factor, too many
mistakes and too many problems occur with the rotation of employees we
have on that level.
3. We use data collection stations.
4. Creating a standard job and leaving the downtime data collection to
operators is not an option. Once the machine is down it turns into a
ant farm around it, we tried the training and discipline approach, but
it didn't work, we need to eliminate as amny connections between the
computer and the human as possible.
5. The web page looks interesting, it might be a good start to a data
interface.

Thanks
2
This question might be a little out there, but it never hurts to ask.

We are a stamping and fineblanking company, and we have two types of
"jobs" we do here:

1. We make dies for our presses that make out fial product
2. We make parts for our customers with these dies.

We have encountered a problem with data collection for the "toolroom".
Vantage itself does not have sufficient resources to collect the type
of data we need to supply it with for die and press building and
maintenance. Which brings up the problem with automating the data
collection process from our machines to the DB, idealy I would like to
set the machines up to feed the system with the following data:

1. the Job - how many parts there were supposed to be made ;
2. the die maintenance - how much work was done on the die to make the
required amount of parts;
3. dowtime - how much time was the press out of service;
4. automating the scanning process of the die when it is placed in the
press (so our operators - not the brigtest of our bunch - don't mess
everything up) and the system registes the die running at the time and
associates it with the job (our part number = die number)
5. parts made - so we can track the exact amount of parts we make
(right now we average on weight) and compare the data to our quality
rejections and etc.


Any suggestions will be welcome.
3
Hi,

I don't how much help this will be. In a past life I do some
research on data collection on CNC mill centres but not feeding
straight into an erp system. The research was using machine
monitoring software in conjunction with the CNC controller. We used
macros to send signals back to a data capture unit to indicate when
a machine was running etc.

On a general note, capturing data and populating an erp system
directly will involve third party software and customisation.

Anyway, the following is are my thoughts. You will have to bare in
mind that I not totally sure what you mean in some areas.

1. Not sure what you mean
2. Create a job in vantage for that part. At the job level change
the product group to maintenance. Create the necessary reports for
that with the product groups to see many parts were produced against
how much maintenance.
3. Downtime, do you mean that the machine is idle or broken down? To
capture broken down activity you could create a standard job and
through data capture clock in and clock off the job.
4.On the research we did, we had a probe on the machine which
depending on the configuration on the fixture could detect the part
or job. This pulled through the correct cnc program.
5. Don't know

Are you using dedicated data capture units or are they PCS with data
collection running on them?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "alkatar_tw" <alkatar_tw@y...> wrote:
> This question might be a little out there, but it never hurts to
ask.
>
> We are a stamping and fineblanking company, and we have two types
of
> "jobs" we do here:
>
> 1. We make dies for our presses that make out fial product
> 2. We make parts for our customers with these dies.
>
> We have encountered a problem with data collection for
the "toolroom".
> Vantage itself does not have sufficient resources to collect the
type
> of data we need to supply it with for die and press building and
> maintenance. Which brings up the problem with automating the data
> collection process from our machines to the DB, idealy I would
like to
> set the machines up to feed the system with the following data:
>
> 1. the Job - how many parts there were supposed to be made ;
> 2. the die maintenance - how much work was done on the die to make
the
> required amount of parts;
> 3. dowtime - how much time was the press out of service;
> 4. automating the scanning process of the die when it is placed in
the
> press (so our operators - not the brigtest of our bunch - don't
mess
> everything up) and the system registes the die running at the time
and
> associates it with the job (our part number = die number)
> 5. parts made - so we can track the exact amount of parts we make
> (right now we average on weight) and compare the data to our
quality
> rejections and etc.
>
>
> Any suggestions will be welcome.
4
You might check out this site http://www.impaxptg.com/monitors.html for
monitoring hardware. We use it on some of our presses. Data is stored as
csv data. Getting that into Vantage will require custom programming. We
just use it aside from Vantage to calculate OEE and efficiencies.



Keith



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Automated data collection



Hi,

I don't how much help this will be. In a past life I do some
research on data collection on CNC mill centres but not feeding
straight into an erp system. The research was using machine
monitoring software in conjunction with the CNC controller. We used
macros to send signals back to a data capture unit to indicate when
a machine was running etc.

On a general note, capturing data and populating an erp system
directly will involve third party software and customisation.

Anyway, the following is are my thoughts. You will have to bare in
mind that I not totally sure what you mean in some areas.

1. Not sure what you mean
2. Create a job in vantage for that part. At the job level change
the product group to maintenance. Create the necessary reports for
that with the product groups to see many parts were produced against
how much maintenance.
3. Downtime, do you mean that the machine is idle or broken down? To
capture broken down activity you could create a standard job and
through data capture clock in and clock off the job.
4.On the research we did, we had a probe on the machine which
depending on the configuration on the fixture could detect the part
or job. This pulled through the correct cnc program.
5. Don't know

Are you using dedicated data capture units or are they PCS with data
collection running on them?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "alkatar_tw" <alkatar_tw@y...> wrote:
> This question might be a little out there, but it never hurts to
ask.
>
> We are a stamping and fineblanking company, and we have two types
of
> "jobs" we do here:
>
> 1. We make dies for our presses that make out fial product
> 2. We make parts for our customers with these dies.
>
> We have encountered a problem with data collection for
the "toolroom".
> Vantage itself does not have sufficient resources to collect the
type
> of data we need to supply it with for die and press building and
> maintenance. Which brings up the problem with automating the data
> collection process from our machines to the DB, idealy I would
like to
> set the machines up to feed the system with the following data:
>
> 1. the Job - how many parts there were supposed to be made ;
> 2. the die maintenance - how much work was done on the die to make
the
> required amount of parts;
> 3. dowtime - how much time was the press out of service;
> 4. automating the scanning process of the die when it is placed in
the
> press (so our operators - not the brigtest of our bunch - don't
mess
> everything up) and the system registes the die running at the time
and
> associates it with the job (our part number = die number)
> 5. parts made - so we can track the exact amount of parts we make
> (right now we average on weight) and compare the data to our
quality
> rejections and etc.
>
>
> Any suggestions will be welcome.




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