Anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

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Hi James,

My company is currently at the end of a 6 month implementation process
for Vantage version 8.03 using Progress. We started with this same
version and through the implementation process have installed patches
taking us to the latest release (8.03.305f). We will be going live with
this version on May 29th. As with any software, we have run into some
issues but have worked through them with the support group. We find no
show stoppers and look forward to implementing Vantage at the end of the
month.

Regards,

Valerie S. Dyer
Manager of Operations Support
Information Technologies
SmarTeam DBA

Compact Automation Products LLC
An IMC Company
105 Commerce Way
Westminster, SC 29693

Main: (864) 647-5454 ext. 290
Cell: (864) 784-1538
Fax: (864) 647-2228
email: vdyer@...

Visit us at: www.compactautomation.com







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I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
way to install this software directly is there not?

James
3
Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.

We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the latest release is at the time.
-Todd C.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?



I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
way to install this software directly is there not?

James







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James,

You can go straight to 8.0.3 ? You can also just upgrade from 6.1 to
8.03.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of crypticsphere
Sent: 30 April 2007 12:37
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?



I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
way to install this software directly is there not?

James



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Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
moved it to the new server right?


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
>
> We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
latest release is at the time.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found that it
does not covert very well. The most significant change that does not lend
itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1 become
resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of my
9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting fresh.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
moved it to the new server right?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Todd
Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
>
> We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
latest release is at the time.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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No. You will need at least Progress 9.1d on the new server in order to
perform the database conversion on the new server. You will have to
follow the data upgrade instructions.



Todd



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?



Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
moved it to the new server right?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
>
> We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
latest release is at the time.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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So how much of my 6.1 database is going to be usable after I convert
from 6.1 to 8.0 to 8.03?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Stan Chmura" <schmura@...> wrote:
>
> You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found
that it
> does not covert very well. The most significant change that does
not lend
> itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
> resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
> master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
> redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of my
> 9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
> using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting fresh.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
> Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
> wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
> new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
> moved it to the new server right?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
> Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
> gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
> neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
> >
> > We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
> change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
> requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
> towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
> new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
> latest release is at the time.
> > -Todd C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
> Behalf Of crypticsphere
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> > the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> > could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> > would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> > way to install this software directly is there not?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
9
Of the 9000 BOM's how many are actually active and do you currently use?



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stan Chmura
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?



You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found that
it
does not covert very well. The most significant change that does not
lend
itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of my
9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting fresh.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
moved it to the new server right?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
>
> We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
latest release is at the time.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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Been there- done that - I have 19,000 BOMs of which I've used 9000 in
2006-2007. Likewise I have 22,000 part numbers of which I've used 9500 in
2006-2007; and similar ratios on Customers and Vendors. Hence the term
House Cleaning is - well let's say appropriate?





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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Paul V. Blais
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

Of the 9000 BOM's how many are actually active and do you currently use?

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Stan Chmura
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found that
it
does not covert very well. The most significant change that does not
lend
itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of my
9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting fresh.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
moved it to the new server right?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
>
> We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
latest release is at the time.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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So far I've found the BOMs, the Price Breaks and any BAQs from 6.1 would be
essentially unusable. However there maybe other items I haven't found yet.
For example, I do not use scheduling so that would not be an issue for me.
But knowing of the drastic change in BOMs and routings scheduling is likely
effected in some way. Likewise on the product configurator; I don't use
that either but it too is connected to BOMS and routings.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

So how much of my 6.1 database is going to be usable after I convert
from 6.1 to 8.0 to 8.03?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Stan
Chmura" <schmura@...> wrote:
>
> You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found
that it
> does not covert very well. The most significant change that does
not lend
> itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
> resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
> master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
> redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of my
> 9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
> using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting fresh.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
> crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
> Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
> wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
> new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
> moved it to the new server right?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
> Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
> gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
> neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
> >
> > We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
> change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
> requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
> towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
> new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
> latest release is at the time.
> > -Todd C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
> Behalf Of crypticsphere
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> > the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> > could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> > would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> > way to install this software directly is there not?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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That is price breaks on selling side not purchasing...Purchasing is
fine.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stan Chmura
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?



So far I've found the BOMs, the Price Breaks and any BAQs from 6.1 would
be
essentially unusable. However there maybe other items I haven't found
yet.
For example, I do not use scheduling so that would not be an issue for
me.
But knowing of the drastic change in BOMs and routings scheduling is
likely
effected in some way. Likewise on the product configurator; I don't use
that either but it too is connected to BOMS and routings.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

So how much of my 6.1 database is going to be usable after I convert
from 6.1 to 8.0 to 8.03?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Stan
Chmura" <schmura@...> wrote:
>
> You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found
that it
> does not covert very well. The most significant change that does
not lend
> itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
> resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
> master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
> redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of
my
> 9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
> using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting
fresh.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
> crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
> Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
> wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
> new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
> moved it to the new server right?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
> Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
> gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
> neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
> >
> > We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
> change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
> requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
> towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
> new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
> latest release is at the time.
> > -Todd C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
> Behalf Of crypticsphere
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through
all
> > the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> > could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> > would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> > way to install this software directly is there not?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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13
I can not lose BOM's at all.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Paul V. Blais" <pblais@...> wrote:
>
> That is price breaks on selling side not purchasing...Purchasing is
> fine.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Stan Chmura
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:06 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
>
>
> So far I've found the BOMs, the Price Breaks and any BAQs from 6.1 would
> be
> essentially unusable. However there maybe other items I haven't found
> yet.
> For example, I do not use scheduling so that would not be an issue for
> me.
> But knowing of the drastic change in BOMs and routings scheduling is
> likely
> effected in some way. Likewise on the product configurator; I don't use
> that either but it too is connected to BOMS and routings.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
> So how much of my 6.1 database is going to be usable after I convert
> from 6.1 to 8.0 to 8.03?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Stan
> Chmura" <schmura@> wrote:
> >
> > You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found
> that it
> > does not covert very well. The most significant change that does
> not lend
> > itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
> become
> > resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
> > master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
> > redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of
> my
> > 9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
> > using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting
> fresh.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf Of
> > crypticsphere
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> >
> > Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
> > wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
> > new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
> > moved it to the new server right?
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Todd
> > Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
> > gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
> > neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
> > >
> > > We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
> > change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
> > requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
> > towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
> > new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
> > latest release is at the time.
> > > -Todd C.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
> > Behalf Of crypticsphere
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through
> all
> > > the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> > > could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> > > would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> > > way to install this software directly is there not?
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
14
Yes that is correct.


_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Paul V. Blais
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

That is price breaks on selling side not purchasing...Purchasing is
fine.

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Stan Chmura
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

So far I've found the BOMs, the Price Breaks and any BAQs from 6.1 would
be
essentially unusable. However there maybe other items I haven't found
yet.
For example, I do not use scheduling so that would not be an issue for
me.
But knowing of the drastic change in BOMs and routings scheduling is
likely
effected in some way. Likewise on the product configurator; I don't use
that either but it too is connected to BOMS and routings.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
crypticsphere
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?

So how much of my 6.1 database is going to be usable after I convert
from 6.1 to 8.0 to 8.03?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Stan
Chmura" <schmura@...> wrote:
>
> You can convert a 6.1 database, but in two years of testing I found
that it
> does not covert very well. The most significant change that does
not lend
> itself well to converting 6.1 data is that the work centers in 6.1
become
> resources and resource groups in 8.x. So the structure of the methods
> master (with respect to the work centers and operations) is completely
> redesigned. I know that if I convert data I will need to redo all of
my
> 9000 Methods Masters. Knowing that, I too am considering the option of
> using this as an opportunity for some house cleaning and starting
fresh.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
> crypticsphere
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
>
> Pretty much a question, we currently have a 6.10 running, just
> wondering if I put 8.0.3 on a new server and move the database to the
> new server would that work? Since it would convert the database as I
> moved it to the new server right?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"Todd
> Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious....who is having you install 6 (or 6.1) at a new site
> gojng to 8.03 - who is "they"? Does not make sense. For that matter
> neither does 8.0 if you are going to run 8.03 and load new data.
> >
> > We are wavering on converting our 6.1 data and given the need to
> change our Chart of Accounts and the ongoing discussion of BOM issues
> requiring extensive manual intervention anyway so we are now leaning
> towards a clean fresh start. So we would be doing the equivalent of a
> new site and likely straight to 8.03.400 or pre-9 or 9 or whatever the
> latest release is at the time.
> > -Todd C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
> Behalf Of crypticsphere
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:37 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] anyone tried starting from 8.0.3 to go live?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through
all
> > the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> > could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> > would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> > way to install this software directly is there not?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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> I was wondering, if anyone started at 8.0.3 without going through all
> the upgrades to get to 8.0.3. Wouldn't it make more sense that you
> could start at 8.0.3? If I was a new company coming to vantage, why
> would they have me install 6 then 8 then 8.0.3? There has to be some
> way to install this software directly is there not?

(Just to be clear, there's 8.00.### and 8.03.### and if I'm not mistaken, the
most current of each is 8.00.810 and 8.03.305)

We did our pilot on 8.00.809 and went live on 8.03.304. You most certainly can
start at 8.03. From what I hear on this list, I would not recommend the
upgrade path from 6.X.

Mark W.