Gil,
Condolences !
On the other hand, your Epicor sales rep should visit Shirley for a few
sessions to learn what happens to you when you misrepresent / falsify /
embellish ....
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Gil Amilbangsa [mailto:gil.amilbangsa@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
Todd,
I was told that a consultant retained at that time to evaluate our IT
requirements strongly recommended an SQL database platform because it
provides greater flexibility to bolt-on other applications. And Epicor
stated in their proposal, and assured the project team prior to purchase,
that Vantage can run on SQL. So the decision was made by a relatively naive
project team to buy Vantage flavored with SQL.
Two years on, we don't have any bolt-on applications in mind, nor do I see
any need for them in the short to mid-term. Any data requirements out of
Vantage can be handled one way or another thru an ODBC connection or an
export to Excel or Access. But we do have the pleasure of Epicor telling us
that this bug (or "unwanted feature") or that non-working functionality is
an SQL specific problem.
You may be interested to know that the Epicor sales rep claimed that Vantage
is developed and tested on an SQL platform first, then converted to run on a
Progress database later. He made this claim when we started complaining
about all of the problems we were experiencing that were SQL related. This
claim was debunked by somebody on this email list sometime ago.
To be fair, I am not a computer programmer or sys ad and couldn't care less
re the pros and cons of an SQL, Progress, Oracle or other database. I use
Vantage as a tool to get a job done. And the tool is most annoying at times.
Another vented spleen for the Vantage SQL bashing brigade. HTH.
Gil Amilbangsa
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 7:42 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
Gil,
Just out of curiosity.
What prompted you folks to use MS-SQL server for your DB to begin with?
What did your EPICOR / Vantage sales rep say about it during the pre-sale
cycle?
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From: Gil Amilbangsa [mailto:gil.amilbangsa@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
We're running (stumbling along) on SQL. We've had a lot of problems with
Epicor support of the SQL version of Vantage. Based on similar accounts on
this user group, beware of moving to SQL with Vantage.
My two Aussie cents.
Gil Amilbangsa
Australian Healthcare Equipment - Murphy Furniture
gil.amilbangsa@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 6:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
The CFO just declared that we may be looking away from Progress in
the future.
Is anyone out there not using Progress, or is anyone planning to go
to another database platform (SQL, Oracle, etc.)?
Is so, what reporting tools do you use? How do you secure data from
unauthorized access, while allowing users to run reports at will?
If anyone has researched this, I would appreciate your feedback.
Thanks,
Lonnie
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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Condolences !
On the other hand, your Epicor sales rep should visit Shirley for a few
sessions to learn what happens to you when you misrepresent / falsify /
embellish ....
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Gil Amilbangsa [mailto:gil.amilbangsa@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
Todd,
I was told that a consultant retained at that time to evaluate our IT
requirements strongly recommended an SQL database platform because it
provides greater flexibility to bolt-on other applications. And Epicor
stated in their proposal, and assured the project team prior to purchase,
that Vantage can run on SQL. So the decision was made by a relatively naive
project team to buy Vantage flavored with SQL.
Two years on, we don't have any bolt-on applications in mind, nor do I see
any need for them in the short to mid-term. Any data requirements out of
Vantage can be handled one way or another thru an ODBC connection or an
export to Excel or Access. But we do have the pleasure of Epicor telling us
that this bug (or "unwanted feature") or that non-working functionality is
an SQL specific problem.
You may be interested to know that the Epicor sales rep claimed that Vantage
is developed and tested on an SQL platform first, then converted to run on a
Progress database later. He made this claim when we started complaining
about all of the problems we were experiencing that were SQL related. This
claim was debunked by somebody on this email list sometime ago.
To be fair, I am not a computer programmer or sys ad and couldn't care less
re the pros and cons of an SQL, Progress, Oracle or other database. I use
Vantage as a tool to get a job done. And the tool is most annoying at times.
Another vented spleen for the Vantage SQL bashing brigade. HTH.
Gil Amilbangsa
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 7:42 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
Gil,
Just out of curiosity.
What prompted you folks to use MS-SQL server for your DB to begin with?
What did your EPICOR / Vantage sales rep say about it during the pre-sale
cycle?
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From: Gil Amilbangsa [mailto:gil.amilbangsa@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
We're running (stumbling along) on SQL. We've had a lot of problems with
Epicor support of the SQL version of Vantage. Based on similar accounts on
this user group, beware of moving to SQL with Vantage.
My two Aussie cents.
Gil Amilbangsa
Australian Healthcare Equipment - Murphy Furniture
gil.amilbangsa@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 6:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone running Vantage on other than Progress DB?
The CFO just declared that we may be looking away from Progress in
the future.
Is anyone out there not using Progress, or is anyone planning to go
to another database platform (SQL, Oracle, etc.)?
Is so, what reporting tools do you use? How do you secure data from
unauthorized access, while allowing users to run reports at will?
If anyone has researched this, I would appreciate your feedback.
Thanks,
Lonnie
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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