Rob;
When we went live on Vantage 2.3 years ago and implemented a
timesheet process that printed when the employee clicked on
clockout. (We actually demonstrated this customization at
Perspectives 2006.) The employee needed to initial their timesheet
and turn in to their supervisor before they were able to leave.
Disiplinary action took place as Thom described below.
However, we did eventually abandoned this process as it created havoc
at the MES workstations. Not only did we have lines at the
workstations, but the process took about 35-45 seconds to print after
the employee clicked clockout. Some employees were here 15 to 20
minutes after they ended their shift...and created a very negative
view on Vantage as a whole. You know how hard it is to put a
positive spin on a new system.
We now use Shop Tracker. Each supervisor reviews after their shift
end for employees 'who are here' that shouldn't be.
It is a HUGE process for us each day to review labor, but in the end,
we realy utilize clean data. The analysis of the last 24 hours gives
us the ability to make good manufacturing decisions for the next 24
hours.
Employee 'absent-mindedness' should not be a huge endevor to
customize the heck out of the software.
Thanks
Patty Buechler
UV Color
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
path several times as we've changed our payroll system's had scan
in/out process several times.
vantage paradigm. (A paradigm I, after using MANY systems over the
years, agree is poorly thought out.)
distraction & effort to train & discipline) to ask people to absorb.
status and, if still clocked in, set a UD boolean field to true in
some appropriate table.
provide them with good info to manage the business, they must make
this sacrifice to get it.
an excellent incentive to focus on getting employees to clock out
when they are supposed to. The supervisors may need to start
initiating disciplinary action against employees who fail to clock
out. Eventually, this will get employees into the habit of clocking
out.
minded employees in the short run, but in the long run, your
employees will be in the habit of clocking out.
fails to clock out. Now, all it takes is one team member remembering
to clock out to remind all his teammates.
process.
app so others can use the shared win-terminals.
the 6/10-6/17.
job receipts using it).
date/shift clock out of MES users at the end of each day?
When we went live on Vantage 2.3 years ago and implemented a
timesheet process that printed when the employee clicked on
clockout. (We actually demonstrated this customization at
Perspectives 2006.) The employee needed to initial their timesheet
and turn in to their supervisor before they were able to leave.
Disiplinary action took place as Thom described below.
However, we did eventually abandoned this process as it created havoc
at the MES workstations. Not only did we have lines at the
workstations, but the process took about 35-45 seconds to print after
the employee clicked clockout. Some employees were here 15 to 20
minutes after they ended their shift...and created a very negative
view on Vantage as a whole. You know how hard it is to put a
positive spin on a new system.
We now use Shop Tracker. Each supervisor reviews after their shift
end for employees 'who are here' that shouldn't be.
It is a HUGE process for us each day to review labor, but in the end,
we realy utilize clean data. The analysis of the last 24 hours gives
us the ability to make good manufacturing decisions for the next 24
hours.
Employee 'absent-mindedness' should not be a huge endevor to
customize the heck out of the software.
Thanks
Patty Buechler
UV Color
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>discipline issue.
> Thomas,
>
> You are a man after my own heart as I agree, it is a training and
>position on this. As, we we've been down the training/disciplinary
> That said, I DO understand manufacturing management/supervisor's
path several times as we've changed our payroll system's had scan
in/out process several times.
>one of these initiatives simply to conform to a poorly though out
> People (including the management) don't 'get' the value in another
vantage paradigm. (A paradigm I, after using MANY systems over the
years, agree is poorly thought out.)
>truly is non-value added extra activity (and a long term management
> I'm hoping there IS some systemic way to minimize the need as it
distraction & effort to train & discipline) to ask people to absorb.
>process to run after last shift ends to poll each employee's clock in
> I'm already noodling around with the idea of using a scheduled
status and, if still clocked in, set a UD boolean field to true in
some appropriate table.
>can perform the clock outs for those who are still clocked in.
> Then I can use that db field change to trigger a BPM that perhaps
>manufacturing. Until a systemic way IS found, if they want Vantage to
> Surely, our situation is not unique.
>
> Thanks for the sound advice Thomas. It echoes what I've said to
provide them with good info to manage the business, they must make
this sacrifice to get it.
>clockout of MES users?
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Thomas Rose <t.rose@...> wrote:
> From: Thomas Rose <t.rose@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] any method for forced mass daily payroll
> To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>it seems to me the burden this is placing on supervisors gives them
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 6:24 PM
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> I don't have the answer you are looking for. However,
an excellent incentive to focus on getting employees to clock out
when they are supposed to. The supervisors may need to start
initiating disciplinary action against employees who fail to clock
out. Eventually, this will get employees into the habit of clocking
out.
>will develop the habit of clocking out? You may lose a few absent
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> Employee fails to clock out on day one - oral warning.
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> Employee fails to clock out on day two - written reprimand.
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> Employee fails to clock out on day three - probation.
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> Employee fails to clock out on day four - termination.
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> Can you guess how many employees will be terminated and how many
minded employees in the short run, but in the long run, your
employees will be in the habit of clocking out.
>sequence of disciplinary action outlined above if any one team member
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> One variation on the above - put entire teams through the above
fails to clock out. Now, all it takes is one team member remembering
to clock out to remind all his teammates.
>you may not have the luxury of initiating this sort of disciplinary
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> Of course, if your employees are difficult to replace or are union,
process.
>Behalf Of Robert Brown
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>
> Thom Rose
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> Controller
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> Electric Mirror, LLC
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> T ext. 1024
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> A 11831 Beverly Park Road, Building D, Everett, WA 98204 USA
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> www.electricmirror. com<http://www.electric mirror.com/>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
>payroll clockout of MES users?
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:17 PM
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> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
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> Subject: {Disarmed} [Vantage] any method for forced mass daily
>date/shift) at the end of each day and are only logging out from the
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> Our MES users are stuggling to remember to Clock out (payroll
app so others can use the shared win-terminals.
>payroll dates of (for example) 6/10 - all piled up with activity for
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> As a result, we have hundreds of labor activity records with
the 6/10-6/17.
>license labor entry to go in and edit/correct labor entry mistakes.
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> It makes it nearly impossible for supervisors to then use full
>reporting for us (and a handfull of users also do Material issues &
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> We do not use Payroll. MES is purely intended for labor activity
job receipts using it).
>process) that any of you may be using to perform a mass payroll
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> Is there any process (native to vantage or perhaps a custom
date/shift clock out of MES users at the end of each day?
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> Any tips would be appreciated.
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> Thanks
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> Rob Brown
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