Advance Bill scenario

We are doing these tests on 404b currently.

When we advance bill, we are linking it to the order, but it is not
bringing over any tax calculation at this point. If I go and manual
override the tax field, it now puts the $50 straight into tax instead of
into advance bill, which means we're realizing the tax far to soon.

As soon as I go and create the shipment invoice, vantage then does the
tax calculation. If it were automatic as you propose below, we'd be in
good shape.

We're actually live on 403c, perhaps I'll try there and see if it's just
a bug in 404b where it isn't bringing the tax calculation in
automatically on advance bill.

Thanks for the ideas,
Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Debbie Stokes
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re:Advance Bill scenario



We think we have found a possible bug in the taxable amount calculation
when a line is shipped in 2 packs but invoiced together, the first of
which is less than the value of the advanced billing but I wouldn't
expect it to affect your situation (what version are you on?). (see
below) We are on Vantage 8.03.305L.

It also screws up generally if you advance bill a line for more than its
value (e.g. You have 10 lines but you advance bill for the entire value
on line 1 - don't do it! - advance bill each line for up to its full
(nett) value).

We advance bill frequently (including UK tax - is US law different
regarding tax on advance bills?). The advance bill should be for the net
amount and Vantage should add the tax automatically as it does with
shipment invoices. Make sure you link it to the order. After shipping,
the final invoice should automatically take the advance bill into
account and come out at 0.

Now to the possible bug (with epicor support but not confirmed). We had
an order which had been advance billed 30% say. When it was shipped only
10% (say) of 1 line went on the first lorry on a Friday. The remainder
was sent on the Monday morning in a 2nd pack. The final invoice was
created later that day. The first line correctly had no payment and no
tax calculated. The 2nd line was for the remaining 90% of the cost.
However when Vantage calculated the taxable amount for the 2nd line, it
took off the entire value (30%) of the advance bill and not the
remainder (20%) after taking into account line1! Thus the tax was
understated.

kind regards

Debbie Stokes

Vantage Administrator

Hilo-PSS Group

01793 647136

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We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000 with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing $50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have $50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken


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Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount of money with them.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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No. It's being calculated by Vantage automatically, as it should.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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And I agree, but this could be a bug....which was why I was going down
this road.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



No. It's being calculated by Vantage automatically, as it should.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Hmmm....I'm not sure.

It appears to be trying to post $0 to AR (the GP Edit List shows $0 in both credit & debit on AR) and I think this might be part of the problem.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 1:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



And I agree, but this could be a bug....which was why I was going down
this road.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

No. It's being calculated by Vantage automatically, as it should.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 12:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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It is a bug regarding misc charges on an advanced invoice, at least on v5.2.
I couldn't say for sure regarding the tax aspect.


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Manasa Reddy
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



And I agree, but this could be a bug....which was why I was going down
this road.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


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Of Ken Williams
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

No. It's being calculated by Vantage automatically, as it should.

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?

M. Manasa Reddy
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<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

>From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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I'd find out for sure...even though we don't charge tax, there really is
no reason (in reality not Epicor reality) why it should do that.

Then again this is Epicor reality....



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario



Hmmm....I'm not sure.

It appears to be trying to post $0 to AR (the GP Edit List shows $0 in
both credit & debit on AR) and I think this might be part of the
problem.

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behalf of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Mon 6/30/2008 1:07 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

And I agree, but this could be a bug....which was why I was going down
this road.

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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Of Ken Williams
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

No. It's being calculated by Vantage automatically, as it should.

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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Is your tax a miscellaneous charge?

M. Manasa Reddy
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<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

For this particular customer, yes.

They're not financially stable and we're not willing to float any amount
of money with them.

Ken

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

Ken,

We advance bill all the time....why bother with the tax to begin with?
Why not just advance bill the line item. This leaves the $50 on the
"shipping" Invoice which will hit the right GL at the time of shipment.
Do you have to have the tax money right now?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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Subject: [Vantage] Advance Bill scenario

We're trying to figure out the best way to accomplish the following, any
help would be greatly appreciated.

We have a customer who we require pre-payment including tax before work
can be done. Let's say we have an SO#123 Line 1 in the amount of $1000
with tax of $50 for a total of $1050.

Our thought process was, create an advance bill for $1050 - this will
affect AR & Advanced Bill GL accounts.

We then receive the money, this moves the money from AR to Cash so now
the $1050 is in Cash & Advanced Bill.

We then create an invoice from shipment. By default this creates an
invoice for $1050 but only applying $1000 of the advanced bill, showing
$50 open on the invoice for tax.

From here we have two thoughts processes. First, adjust the "less
advanced bill received" to $1050. This actually looks really good when
we print the edit list (takes $1050 from Advance Bill, applies $1000 to
sales, $50 to tax), but it refuses to post saying "invalid line
balance".

Second work around would be leave it at $50 invoice so that we'd have
$50 left in advanced bill & $50 on the invoice. Then journal entries to
clear the advanced bill and get the tax accounted for.

Regardless, there seems to be no "easy" way to do an advance bill
including tax. Any suggestions?

Ken

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We think we have found a possible bug in the taxable amount calculation
when a line is shipped in 2 packs but invoiced together, the first of
which is less than the value of the advanced billing but I wouldn't
expect it to affect your situation (what version are you on?). (see
below) We are on Vantage 8.03.305L.



It also screws up generally if you advance bill a line for more than its
value (e.g. You have 10 lines but you advance bill for the entire value
on line 1 - don't do it! - advance bill each line for up to its full
(nett) value).



We advance bill frequently (including UK tax - is US law different
regarding tax on advance bills?). The advance bill should be for the net
amount and Vantage should add the tax automatically as it does with
shipment invoices. Make sure you link it to the order. After shipping,
the final invoice should automatically take the advance bill into
account and come out at 0.



Now to the possible bug (with epicor support but not confirmed). We had
an order which had been advance billed 30% say. When it was shipped only
10% (say) of 1 line went on the first lorry on a Friday. The remainder
was sent on the Monday morning in a 2nd pack. The final invoice was
created later that day. The first line correctly had no payment and no
tax calculated. The 2nd line was for the remaining 90% of the cost.
However when Vantage calculated the taxable amount for the 2nd line, it
took off the entire value (30%) of the advance bill and not the
remainder (20%) after taking into account line1! Thus the tax was
understated.



kind regards



Debbie Stokes

Vantage Administrator

Hilo-PSS Group

01793 647136



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