8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

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If I understand your question correctly when the pick list is printed out it
will show the bin to be picked from. With the parts selected as
non-quantity bearing you will only be able to purchase them as other. When
they are received in it will not tell them to put them in the bin that is
selected as default under the part master.



Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Butler, Bruce [mailto:bbutler@...]
Sent: July 24, 2008 1:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com; aaron.hoyt@...
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing



Thank you Steve & Aaron for the quick responses. We are going to test
this in the test database. One question, even though it is a
non-quantity bearing item, are default warehouses & bins maintained
giving us the ability to locate the tooling?

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

We are doing this also and using MRP and no demand happens from the MRP
run,
but you will see the items in the issue screen. Mass issue will not do
anything with them leaving them in a required state on the issue screen.
They will also show up on the job pick list and the job traveler unless
you
modify the reports to hide them if you need to.

Steve

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From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@vantagep
<mailto:aaron.hoyt%40vantageplastics.com> lastics.com
<mailto:aaron.hoyt%40vantageplastics.com> ]
Sent: July 23, 2008 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

Bruce,
With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
what we are doing now.
We don't use MRP though.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we
have
> lived with for so long;
>
> Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing
(not
> expendable tools, yet).
>
> I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> for Tooling inventory
>
> II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
>
> a. Set Part class = Tooling
>
> b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
>
> c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> stored.
>
> III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
>
> We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which
would
> muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Butler
>
> Information Systems Manager
>
> Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
>
> 3501 Marvel Drive
>
> Oshkosh, WI 54902
>
> p. 920.236.7200
>
> f.: 920.236.7209
>
> bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
<mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>
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We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we have
lived with for so long;



Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing (not
expendable tools, yet).



I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
for Tooling inventory

II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).

a. Set Part class = Tooling

b. Set as non-quantity bearing.

c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
stored.

III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.



We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which would
muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
(ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?



Thank you,



Bruce Butler

Information Systems Manager

Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.

3501 Marvel Drive

Oshkosh, WI 54902

p. 920.236.7200

f.: 920.236.7209

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler@...>





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Bruce,
With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
what we are doing now.
We don't use MRP though.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we have
> lived with for so long;
>
> Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing (not
> expendable tools, yet).
>
> I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> for Tooling inventory
>
> II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
>
> a. Set Part class = Tooling
>
> b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
>
> c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> stored.
>
> III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
>
> We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which would
> muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Butler
>
> Information Systems Manager
>
> Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
>
> 3501 Marvel Drive
>
> Oshkosh, WI 54902
>
> p. 920.236.7200
>
> f.: 920.236.7209
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>
> <mailto:bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>>
>
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>


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We are doing this also and using MRP and no demand happens from the MRP run,
but you will see the items in the issue screen. Mass issue will not do
anything with them leaving them in a required state on the issue screen.
They will also show up on the job pick list and the job traveler unless you
modify the reports to hide them if you need to.



Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...]
Sent: July 23, 2008 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing



Bruce,
With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
what we are doing now.
We don't use MRP though.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we have
> lived with for so long;
>
> Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing (not
> expendable tools, yet).
>
> I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> for Tooling inventory
>
> II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
>
> a. Set Part class = Tooling
>
> b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
>
> c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> stored.
>
> III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
>
> We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which would
> muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Butler
>
> Information Systems Manager
>
> Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
>
> 3501 Marvel Drive
>
> Oshkosh, WI 54902
>
> p. 920.236.7200
>
> f.: 920.236.7209
>
> bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
<mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>
> <mailto:bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
<mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>>
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We did exactly what you describe on our legacy system - which had the advantage of being able to set a BOM qty to zero (indicating the entry was just a reference and the BOM was an efficient way to make it visible to the right people without customizing apps or putting undo hardship on our ME to have yet 'another way' to do things. Our legacy app also allowed us to code BOM entries as "M"aterials, "S"ervice (equivalent of vantage subcontract if you were to set up both subcontract parts AND the necessary resources) - but no resources needed in the lagacy app, and "T"ools and/or "F"ixtures.

Blazing reliable and easy to maintain. We considered reproducing exactly as you describe in Vantage but ultimately decided we'd benefit more if we created a Tooling Resource Group with our several hundred application specific Tools & Fixtures as (infinite capacity) resources under it.

When creating a MoM, we pull in the normal (standard) OP as appropriate and just add the specific tool/fixture resource in addition to the ones automatically populated by the standard OP.

It is no more difficult and, long term, getting utilization reports on our tools and fixtures might help us be more proactive (and make it easier to justify) the cost of duplicate tooling to prevent bottlenecks we experience in the 'real' world. It also allows the consumed cost of the resources to be shuttled off to a specific G/L.

Ultimately, it might set us up to effectively utilize Cababilities and have a more realistic MoM and Capacity model (resulting in better quality schedules).

Keeping them as parts (non-qty bearing) would certainly work but you might lose the 'future possibilites' (and those kind of things are what ERP is all about)... Otherwise we could have purchased a better planning/scheduling/inv control engine at half the cost.

Good luck, no matter which path you take.

Rob

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Butler, Bruce <bbutler@...> wrote:
From: Butler, Bruce <bbutler@...>
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:52 PM











We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have

the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering

the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we have

lived with for so long;



Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing (not

expendable tools, yet).



I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations

for Tooling inventory



II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).



a. Set Part class = Tooling



b. Set as non-quantity bearing.



c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically

stored.



III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.



We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which would

muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way

(ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?



Thank you,



Bruce Butler



Information Systems Manager



Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.



3501 Marvel Drive



Oshkosh, WI 54902



p. 920.236.7200



f.: 920.236.7209



bbutler@sawing. com <mailto:bbutler@sawing. com>



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Thank you Steve & Aaron for the quick responses. We are going to test
this in the test database. One question, even though it is a
non-quantity bearing item, are default warehouses & bins maintained
giving us the ability to locate the tooling?



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing



We are doing this also and using MRP and no demand happens from the MRP
run,
but you will see the items in the issue screen. Mass issue will not do
anything with them leaving them in a required state on the issue screen.
They will also show up on the job pick list and the job traveler unless
you
modify the reports to hide them if you need to.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...
<mailto:aaron.hoyt%40vantageplastics.com> ]
Sent: July 23, 2008 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

Bruce,
With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
what we are doing now.
We don't use MRP though.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we
have
> lived with for so long;
>
> Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing
(not
> expendable tools, yet).
>
> I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> for Tooling inventory
>
> II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
>
> a. Set Part class = Tooling
>
> b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
>
> c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> stored.
>
> III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
>
> We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which
would
> muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Butler
>
> Information Systems Manager
>
> Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
>
> 3501 Marvel Drive
>
> Oshkosh, WI 54902
>
> p. 920.236.7200
>
> f.: 920.236.7209
>
> bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
<mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>
> <mailto:bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
<mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>>
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That I can't tell you but maybe Steve can. I have not used the
non-quantity thing yet.
Aaron

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> Thank you Steve & Aaron for the quick responses. We are going to test
> this in the test database. One question, even though it is a
> non-quantity bearing item, are default warehouses & bins maintained
> giving us the ability to locate the tooling?
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf
> Of vantage
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing
>
> We are doing this also and using MRP and no demand happens from the MRP
> run,
> but you will see the items in the issue screen. Mass issue will not do
> anything with them leaving them in a required state on the issue screen.
> They will also show up on the job pick list and the job traveler unless
> you
> modify the reports to hide them if you need to.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@...
> <mailto:aaron.hoyt%40vantageplastics.com>
> <mailto:aaron.hoyt%40vantageplastics.com> ]
> Sent: July 23, 2008 2:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing
>
> Bruce,
> With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
> determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
> use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
> what we are doing now.
> We don't use MRP though.
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> Butler, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> > the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> > the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we
> have
> > lived with for so long;
> >
> > Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing
> (not
> > expendable tools, yet).
> >
> > I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> > for Tooling inventory
> >
> > II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
> >
> > a. Set Part class = Tooling
> >
> > b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
> >
> > c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> > stored.
> >
> > III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
> >
> > We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which
> would
> > muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> > (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Bruce Butler
> >
> > Information Systems Manager
> >
> > Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
> >
> > 3501 Marvel Drive
> >
> > Oshkosh, WI 54902
> >
> > p. 920.236.7200
> >
> > f.: 920.236.7209
> >
> > bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
> <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>
> > <mailto:bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com> com
> <mailto:bbutler%40sawing.com>>
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Since materials MUST be associated with an Op, the 'defaults' will come from whatever you set up as default for the resources scheduled for the associated OP.

You certainly CAN set up permanent warehouse/bins (essentially by setting up a non-functional butg permanent record zero qty Bin kan-ban) - but the requirements (even though ignored by MRP as a result fo being non-Qty-Bearing parts) will still be against the warehouse/bins associated with the scheduled op resource.

Is this something you might be better off seperating from the planning/inventory system (by using some already used job pertinent table's UD fields to hold this kind of info for "tools" only)?

Rob Brown

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Butler, Bruce <bbutler@...> wrote:

From: Butler, Bruce <bbutler@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com, aaron.hoyt@...
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 2:25 PM






Thank you Steve & Aaron for the quick responses. We are going to test
this in the test database. One question, even though it is a
non-quantity bearing item, are default warehouses & bins maintained
giving us the ability to locate the tooling?

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

We are doing this also and using MRP and no demand happens from the MRP
run,
but you will see the items in the issue screen. Mass issue will not do
anything with them leaving them in a required state on the issue screen.
They will also show up on the job pick list and the job traveler unless
you
modify the reports to hide them if you need to.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron.hoyt@vantagep lastics.com
<mailto:aaron. hoyt%40vantagepl astics.com> ]
Sent: July 23, 2008 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.405 Tooling / Fixturing

Bruce,
With the exception of the non-quantity bearing part, this is how we
determined was best to handle our tooling. I have given some thought to
use resource instead but we can't figure it it would be any better than
what we are doing now.
We don't use MRP though.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Butler, Bruce wrote:
>
> We have recently moved from Vantage 8.0 to 8.03.405. With 405, we have
> the ability to set a part as non-quantity bearing. We are considering
> the following theory for tracking our Tooling/Fixturing dilemma we
have
> lived with for so long;
>
> Note; when referencing tooling I am talking about machine fixturing
(not
> expendable tools, yet).
>
> I. Setup Warehouse (ie. Tooling) and create bin locations
> for Tooling inventory
>
> II. Setup Tooling parts (ie. T-xxxxx).
>
> a. Set Part class = Tooling
>
> b. Set as non-quantity bearing.
>
> c. Set default warehouse & bin = location where tooling is typically
> stored.
>
> III. Assign tooling to appropriate BOMs.
>
> We want to be absolutely sure no demand requirements are set which
would
> muddy MRP. Has anyone tried this method or use Vantage in another way
> (ie. Resources) which works for them and is willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Butler
>
> Information Systems Manager
>
> Marvel Manufacturing Company, Inc.
>
> 3501 Marvel Drive
>
> Oshkosh, WI 54902
>
> p. 920.236.7200
>
> f.: 920.236.7209
>
> bbutler@sawing. <mailto:bbutler% 40sawing. com> com
<mailto:bbutler% 40sawing. com>
> <mailto:bbutler@ sawing. <mailto:bbutler% 40sawing. com> com
<mailto:bbutler% 40sawing. com>>
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We are also going to put our contract tools (+1,000) on the BOMs. We
will have them in a "Tools" warehouse. The bin will be the rack/shelf
location where they are physically stored. We will move the tools to
and from manufacturing cells (as needed), and reflect that movement with
inventory movement transactions. We will never issue the tools, just
move them around in inventory. They will appear on the pick list, with
their location, so the manufacturing cell can pull them off a local
storage shelf, or order them from the forklift driver. Part type is
"Purchased"; Class is "Contract Tools" - Qty Bearing. For new tools
that we have not yet purchased, "Process MRP" & "PO Suggestions" is
turned on (they are turned off for tools already in house).

With our main customer, they ask us to quote an assembly up to a year
in advance, so we build a BOM (including the tools) for quoting
purposes. At some point in the future, orders feed in via EDI. This
will drive PO Suggestions for new tools; when the tools arrive, we will
turn off MRP & Suggestions for the tools. We have to keep "Qty Bearing"
turned on because we have "Track Serial Numbers" turned on.



Rick Chamberlin
Manufacturing Engineer - Planner
Triumph Composite Systems





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