Ben,
We have learned to live with the V8 slowness, but yes, we are
benchmarking it versus V6.1. Just to let you know, there have been
literally orders of magnitude improvements in speed since V8's release,
especially in the printing area (Crystal issues) and I have made the
commitment to Epicor to help in any way I can by giving feedback, but in
certain areas under certain conditions, the printing is still very slow.
Some reports used to literally take 45 minutes, and they are now down to
15-30 seconds, but I believe that is still too slow since in 6.1, they
took less than 5 seconds. Under certain conditions, some printing still
takes 5-10 minutes for a printout, but we are working with Epicor as
there is probably something procedural in the way we print (we sometimes
print 5 things at once). I believe as .NET matures and there is more
understanding of it, as well as Crystal improvements, things will get
better.
Our base machines are Pentium 4, 2.8 GHz, 1G RAM (512M for MES), 400 MHz
FSB, 7200 RPM drives, 100 Mb (although we also have 54G wireless on some
for MES and our remote site in WI has a full T1. We also have a few
machines with Gb). Our Citrix box has dual Gb NICs as well as our V8
server. We only use Citrix for our remote sales force or when someone
VPNs in (I actually have one Compaq iPAQ Palm with an 802.11b card that
runs V8 on the Citrix box also - works well, but the iPAQ is slow, but
it actually does work). Overall, I would say that the Citrix users
perform better than the Smart Clients since the Citrix box has a lot of
horsepower, but I hate to have all my users use Citrix as we cannot
afford a farm. I will admit that even at our remote site in WI using
the Smart client, there is only a slight degradation in the screen times
and printing versus even my workstation using Gb. At this point, my
experience tells me that processor speed (with faster FSB), faster hard
drives, and a lot of memory (1 Gig) are the biggest performance gainers.
The data communications do play some part in the speed, but our site on
the other side of a T1 really doesn't suffer much. While caching helps
the screen loads, you have to leave V8 running - and some here don't
like doing that.
I would recommend that you have users test out their printing (BOLs,
BOMs, Invoices, etc.) and not just evaluate the screen load times.
Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332
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From: Ben Belzer [mailto:bbelzer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.0 much slower than 6.10
Thanks for all your help on scheduling... that fixed that problem.
Vantage 8.0 is extremely slow compared to 6.10. It has to cache
everything before it will load.
I have tried the feature that caches favorites upon loading the system,
and it takes about 2 minutes to load Vantage.
Will it always be like this with the caching? Simple things like job
tracker and part tracker take a split second to load in 6.10 and about
20 seconds in 8.0.
Any help is appreciated.
Ben Belzer
IT Manager
TCI Precision Metals
800.234.5613.W
310.323.1255.F
bbelzer@... <mailto:bbelzer@...>
www.tciprecision.com <http://www.tciprecision.com/>
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We have learned to live with the V8 slowness, but yes, we are
benchmarking it versus V6.1. Just to let you know, there have been
literally orders of magnitude improvements in speed since V8's release,
especially in the printing area (Crystal issues) and I have made the
commitment to Epicor to help in any way I can by giving feedback, but in
certain areas under certain conditions, the printing is still very slow.
Some reports used to literally take 45 minutes, and they are now down to
15-30 seconds, but I believe that is still too slow since in 6.1, they
took less than 5 seconds. Under certain conditions, some printing still
takes 5-10 minutes for a printout, but we are working with Epicor as
there is probably something procedural in the way we print (we sometimes
print 5 things at once). I believe as .NET matures and there is more
understanding of it, as well as Crystal improvements, things will get
better.
Our base machines are Pentium 4, 2.8 GHz, 1G RAM (512M for MES), 400 MHz
FSB, 7200 RPM drives, 100 Mb (although we also have 54G wireless on some
for MES and our remote site in WI has a full T1. We also have a few
machines with Gb). Our Citrix box has dual Gb NICs as well as our V8
server. We only use Citrix for our remote sales force or when someone
VPNs in (I actually have one Compaq iPAQ Palm with an 802.11b card that
runs V8 on the Citrix box also - works well, but the iPAQ is slow, but
it actually does work). Overall, I would say that the Citrix users
perform better than the Smart Clients since the Citrix box has a lot of
horsepower, but I hate to have all my users use Citrix as we cannot
afford a farm. I will admit that even at our remote site in WI using
the Smart client, there is only a slight degradation in the screen times
and printing versus even my workstation using Gb. At this point, my
experience tells me that processor speed (with faster FSB), faster hard
drives, and a lot of memory (1 Gig) are the biggest performance gainers.
The data communications do play some part in the speed, but our site on
the other side of a T1 really doesn't suffer much. While caching helps
the screen loads, you have to leave V8 running - and some here don't
like doing that.
I would recommend that you have users test out their printing (BOLs,
BOMs, Invoices, etc.) and not just evaluate the screen load times.
Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332
_____
From: Ben Belzer [mailto:bbelzer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.0 much slower than 6.10
Thanks for all your help on scheduling... that fixed that problem.
Vantage 8.0 is extremely slow compared to 6.10. It has to cache
everything before it will load.
I have tried the feature that caches favorites upon loading the system,
and it takes about 2 minutes to load Vantage.
Will it always be like this with the caching? Simple things like job
tracker and part tracker take a split second to load in 6.10 and about
20 seconds in 8.0.
Any help is appreciated.
Ben Belzer
IT Manager
TCI Precision Metals
800.234.5613.W
310.323.1255.F
bbelzer@... <mailto:bbelzer@...>
www.tciprecision.com <http://www.tciprecision.com/>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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