[6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients-RESOLVED

[system]

That's exactly what I had thought on WINS...and a consultant from our local networking and server source that was in here today agreed...then said that disturblingly often just putting the AD server's IP in the WINS section helps. The thing that got me on to the network being the problem was examining the regocx.log file in the local work folder as well as looking at the Networking graph in Task Manager while vantage started. On my PC...56% network utilization and login screen within 4-5 seconds. On a slow PC...1-2% utilization for 3 minutes and the log file confirmed it was taking forever to check the DLLs and OCX registrations. Once the WINS setting was made and the PC moved to the other switch it too got 50-60% utilization. HOSTS file and such are all proper. Not sure what it was causing the utilization to be throttled so badly but it was definitely happening when checking files on the mapped M: drive for the Vantage server. It could find the server fine...just not transfer data very fast.

I even had one freshly scrubbed and reloaded PC (no traces to old server or anything else) that was slow. A new NIC in it cut the delay in half...to 2 minutes. So the onboard interface was a problem but not the whole issue. Virtually all our PCs have onboard interfaces. I had wondered before about two identical PCs where one was fast and the other slow and now I wonder instead if the fast one just happened to be on the faster switch. Even if I don't find the root cause at least I have a workable solution.

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients-RESOLVED


Todd,

In my opinion in a true AD environment WINS should go the way of the
dinosaur. AD uses DNS for resolution. Only if you have programs that rely on
the NetBIOS namespace should WINS be needed. In terms of Order of Name
Resolution, when a host tries to communicate with another host, it first
looks to see if it is itself, then searches it local cached entries, then
the local Hosts file, then checks DNS, and lastly looks for the NetBIOS
name, by either checking LMHOSTS, WINS or by broadcasting. So as long as the
DNS records are correct it should use that before WINS.

If you needed to add an entry to LMHOSTS file then something else is wrong
with those clients. I can only assume the rest of your clients get to
Vantage via DNS.

The managed switch will help to see if the NICs on your problem PCs are
chattering or sending bad packets. I use HP Switches and I like the fact I
can use a port to monitor all traffic, so I can have a PC with some sniffer
software (I use Ethereal) to monitor traffic if I am experience problems
between hosts.

Ben Nixon made a statement that on-boards NICs should not be used and be
replaced with higher quality NICs. Though I have not had the problem you
have had, I did recently go around and made sure all my on-boards NICs had
the latest driver firmware which did resolve some other issue I was seeing.
Replacing all my on-board NICs would be somewhat costly and unless a issue
arises I will wait to make that sort of change.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients-RESOLVED

A resolution follow-up for future searches on this subject.

Yes, indeed there seems to be some aspect that involves WINS...but also
involves the network switches. I have resolved the speed issue on three PCs
by doing the following....
1. Moving the client to a different switch
2. Making a WINS entry on the client that points to our AD server

Either action by itself has no effect...and I had previously tried both
independently without success...but when done together reduces login screen
delay from 3 minutes to 4-5 seconds as well as dramatically improving
Vantage performance in general.

My conclusion is that some PCs are sensitive to the switch they are running
on or perhaps a port setting on that switch. The primay user connection
switch is an unmanaged 24-port 3Com switch that has a 1Gb uplink to our
Gigabit backbone switch. I suspect there may be port settings that do not
negotiate speed correctly with some clients and because this is an unmanaged
switch changing this setting is very difficult. I'm not clear where the
WINS part comes in but as long as it helps I'm happy making the setting on
the client.

I am now ordering a new, managed, switch (HP ProCurve 2626) to replace the
3Com switch because the Gigabit switch only has one more free port. Only
remaining issue are the several slow clients in our plant that are not
served by the office switches. I may have to manually inspect their port
negotiation settings and/or bolt them down at 100Mb-full Dup at both ends.
Plus the WINS change.

Thanks again to all who offered suggestions...the answers were in there but
just required the right combo of them to be hit.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Aaron Hoyt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,
I did not see a reference in any of the posts to WINS. Because you are on
6.1 and are having network issues without a doubt (the fact that it runs
fast on some machines and not others). I would first clean the registry of
the clients with trouble as you were indicating you were working on, and
then if you don't have WINS set up, go ahead and set it up. DNS is helpful,
but I have found in the NT4 domains that I have worked with benefit greatly
from WINS. If you are beyond NT4 domain, I don't know if WINS is as
helpful, but either way, be sure to check your hosts file and remove any
reference to the old server and maybe insert a reference to the new one.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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[system]

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast, server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg. 3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in 100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of" which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.



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[system]

Todd,

Review the registry for references to your old server
name and resolve them.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.





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[system]

Todd



Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory



Gary



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Thanks but yes, I've already done this. Deleted all references related to Vantage or Progress (in Values, Data and Keys) to...
- PSC
- Progress
- \\vader<file://\\vader> (old server name)
- v: (old mapped drive where Progress was)
- epic52 (where Progress was)
- epicor
- vantage

Mapped drive letter m: formerly was \\vader\epicor<file://\\vader\epicor> and is now \\vantage\epicor<file://\\vantage\epicor>

I made very sure all references in the registry had been removed.

FWIW too I've found references to the old server in the HOSTS file and removed them and rebooted with same slow result.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Edginton
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Todd,

Review the registry for references to your old server
name and resolve them.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

I had not done this but had emptied the w\local work folder just as a std practice. Adding to the exclusions did not help.

One curious note....
I had accidentally left the DB not running after restoring from last night's backup and it came back pretty quickly to tell me there was no database running. So that much at least is connecting pretty fast. When I watch with task manager prowin32 occasionally pops up to 2% cpu then drops to zero and after 3-4 minutes hits 50%+ and the login screen appears. Not sure what prowin32 is waiting for.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]On Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Download process monitor from Microsoft and review what the prowin32.exe
application is doing (file access, registry, thread creation)

Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending out
(network packets) on the slow machines.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 16:29
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in
as the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a
security authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]On
Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Hi Todd,



I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?



Regards,



Michael



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]On
Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

1)
Did the new server get a new IP-adres? or did you use an "old" one
If the new server got an ip adress o an old server, this can lead to
serious trouble

2)
NEVER NEVER change the networkspeed of a device manually (half / full
duplex) without ALSO setting the switch to exact the same setting for
that specific port
Manual <-> automatic NEVER works reliable!!!!!!!!




Todd Caughey schreef:

> On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....
>
> I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast, server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg. 3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.
>
> So far I have done the following, without success...
> - Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
> - Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
> - Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
> - Shutdown the old Vantage server
> - Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
> - Unisntalled everything and re-installed
> - Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
> - Deleted all references to old server from registry
> - Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in 100Mbps/Full Dup
> - Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did not have)
>
> Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of" which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but I can't figure out where this residue might be.
>
> Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[system]

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]On
Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

New server has a new IP address. Since everything worked before I was not really convinced it was a NIC issue anyway so only played with one as a test (with no effect either way). In all other respects client network performance on machines not working seems to be fine.
-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fons van der Beek
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


1)
Did the new server get a new IP-adres? or did you use an "old" one
If the new server got an ip adress o an old server, this can lead to
serious trouble

2)
NEVER NEVER change the networkspeed of a device manually (half / full
duplex) without ALSO setting the switch to exact the same setting for
that specific port
Manual <-> automatic NEVER works reliable!!!!!!!!

Todd Caughey schreef:

> On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....
>
> I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast, server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg. 3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.
>
> So far I have done the following, without success...
> - Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
> - Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
> - Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
> - Shutdown the old Vantage server
> - Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
> - Unisntalled everything and re-installed
> - Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
> - Deleted all references to old server from registry
> - Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in 100Mbps/Full Dup
> - Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did not have)
>
> Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of" which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but I can't figure out where this residue might be.
>
> Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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[system]

Todd,

Is it just vantage that is slow or are there other performance issues besides vantage?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



New server has a new IP address. Since everything worked before I was not really convinced it was a NIC issue anyway so only played with one as a test (with no effect either way). In all other respects client network performance on machines not working seems to be fine.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Fons van der Beek
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

1)
Did the new server get a new IP-adres? or did you use an "old" one
If the new server got an ip adress o an old server, this can lead to
serious trouble

2)
NEVER NEVER change the networkspeed of a device manually (half / full
duplex) without ALSO setting the switch to exact the same setting for
that specific port
Manual <-> automatic NEVER works reliable!!!!!!!!

Todd Caughey schreef:

> On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....
>
> I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast, server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg. 3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.
>
> So far I have done the following, without success...
> - Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
> - Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
> - Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
> - Shutdown the old Vantage server
> - Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
> - Unisntalled everything and re-installed
> - Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
> - Deleted all references to old server from registry
> - Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in 100Mbps/Full Dup
> - Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did not have)
>
> Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of" which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but I can't figure out where this residue might be.
>
> Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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[system]

Todd,



Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )



If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.



I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.



Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.



If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193



Todd Anderson



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Todd,



What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?



Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@...]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients



Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Not sure about TOE...never heard of it. It is an HP DL380 G5 server. I'll do a help search on the server's HP help.

To answer Jasper's question....only thing affected is Vantage and there mostly just the login screen delay. From clients I can access shared folders on the new server (M: mapped drive) and copy large files back & forth about as fast I would expect....I did this as a test early on. Does not seem to be any sort of network speed issue but more of a network confusion issue specific to Vantage and the old server. Hence still looking for some burried reference to the old server. Now that I am back in the office I'm going to kill that login script that resides on the AD server and maps drives....or at least change it to the new server.

One other thought about things.....on the old server I was carrying residual effects from the Vantage 5.2 days where Progress was still in the Epic52 folder (drive map V:) and the sub folder was "Progress". In the current install on the new server it is in the same Epicor folder as mfgsys61 so both use drive letter M: and the Progress stuff is in a Prgs91d subfolder. Not sure if any of this makes any difference given I am re-installing the Progress Client from the new location (after scrubbing the registry of old references too).

The thing bugging me the most is why my PC (mostly just like any other) works great for Vantage (as do the Win98 PCs) but these other people's PCs don't. Even when logged in with network Administrator account.

Thanks for all the great suggestions. I'll keep plugging away for new clues. I have 40 more PCs to convert and I don't want to do them until this is resolved for frear I will have to go back and do them again with whatever the cure turns out to be.

-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server. The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

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From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@...<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

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Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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[system]

Have you tried:

route -f
ipconfig /renew


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[system]

Just went and tried them. No luck. The ipconfig /renew said there was no adapters and as best as I can figure it's because we don't use DHCP (yet) all IPs are static.
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:56 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients


Have you tried:

route -f
ipconfig /renew

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