5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change

Les,

No change after installing 529. I am going to forward this
thread to Mark Pladson and see if he can help us.

have fun,
john


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Hanson
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:34 AM
> To: INTERNET:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
Is anyone out there using the Service module that came available with 4.0.

When I saw the demo for the module all cost were expensed. I needed the
cost to be held in wip until the job was complete. Did they ever address
that or was I the only one that needed it that way.

Thanks,
Rhonda
I believe the 5.1 version do out soon is addressing this issue.

Ron Newell
IT/MIS
Neon Products
1695 Sargent Ave.
Winnipeg, MB R3H 0C4

http://www.neon-products.com/
mailto:rnewell@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Reilly, Rhonda [mailto:rreilly@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:33 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Service Module

Is anyone out there using the Service module that came available with 4.0.

When I saw the demo for the module all cost were expensed. I needed the
cost to be held in wip until the job was complete. Did they ever address
that or was I the only one that needed it that way.

Thanks,
Rhonda


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Rhonda,

The 5.1 release will replace the expense accounts with WIP accounts and will
have a the ability to have a job behind each service call.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Reilly, Rhonda [mailto:rreilly@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:33 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Service Module


Is anyone out there using the Service module that came available with 4.0.

When I saw the demo for the module all cost were expensed. I needed the
cost to be held in wip until the job was complete. Did they ever address
that or was I the only one that needed it that way.

Thanks,
Rhonda


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Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in addition to
showing balances reflecting receipts and requirements, now adjust
the balances based upon suggested PO changes? This is giving our
purchasing staff grey hair. Is this a design change or a bug, or
am I out to lunch <g!>.

thanks,
john
What you are describing is similar to one of the issues being fixed (hopefully) in the .329 patch. You might want to look on the Change List that goes with the download to see.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: John Sage
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change




Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in addition to
showing balances reflecting receipts and requirements, now adjust
the balances based upon suggested PO changes? This is giving our
purchasing staff grey hair. Is this a design change or a bug, or
am I out to lunch <g!>.

thanks,
john



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Troy,

Thanks for the heads-up!


john



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:48 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
John,

The change was intentional in version 5.00. It was done because:

1. There were many requests for increased visibility of the suggestions to
validate them against the timephase report data.

2. To provide consolidated supply and demand information for individual
parts.

If you are not using po suggestions but someone has generated them at one
point and now they are showing up you should unmark the parts Generate PO
Sugg flag. Job suggestions will also appear on the timephase for the above
reasons.


Tim



-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:jsage@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change




Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in addition to
showing balances reflecting receipts and requirements, now adjust
the balances based upon suggested PO changes? This is giving our
purchasing staff grey hair. Is this a design change or a bug, or
am I out to lunch <g!>.

thanks,
john




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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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Tim,

Unfortunately we do use purchasing suggestions, so we cannot
unmark the "Generate" flag. I would suggest making the
inclusion of suggestion information a configuration choice.
Because suggestion numbers are now mixed in with actual supply
and demand numbers, the running balances are not accurate for
our needs. Some shops may prefer the new method, but the
logic change has resulted in decreased visibility for us and
has made it difficult to validate real numbers.

thanks,
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ligas
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:17 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
>
>
> John,
>
> The change was intentional in version 5.00. It was done because:
>
> 1. There were many requests for increased visibility of the
> suggestions to validate them against the timephase report data.
>
> 2. To provide consolidated supply and demand information for
> individual parts.
>
> If you are not using po suggestions but someone has generated
> them at one point and now they are showing up you should
> unmark the parts Generate PO Sugg flag. Job suggestions will
> also appear on the timephase for the above reasons.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:jsage@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:51 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in
> addition to showing balances reflecting receipts and
> requirements, now adjust the balances based upon suggested PO
> changes? This is giving our purchasing staff grey hair. Is
> this a design change or a bug, or am I out to lunch <g!>.
>
> thanks,
> john
John,

The same thing is happening to us. We use the suggestions to print
certain PO's for a job and for certain stocked materials. But we do not
use suggestions across the board. (Our PA reviews the material status
report to determine what we need and when he wants to issue the purchase
order, he goes to suggestions to issue the order. That way he gets the
materials directly from the job and doesn't have to type in the info,
which also reduces the possibility of error.) So now most of the time
the Time Phase Materials are confusing and costs us a lot of time to
figure the status of many parts. We too cannot unmark the "Generate"
flag. The suggestions wrongfully suggest that certain part needs are
covered and the requirements are removed, when if fact they are not, and
they are never met until a purchase order is placed and the parts are
received.

I understand the desire/need to show that suggestions might be pending
and that a PO may be placed soon, but the number should not be
considered as reducing requirements as if the parts were already ordered
and/or received. We would accept this if the purchase order was in fact
placed. Why not show the suggestions on time phased as they are, only
suggestions, and not affect the quantity until a purchase order has been
placed and receipt is pending on a certain specific date. This would
give the visibility that there are suggestions out there and if someone
placed an order for them the requirement would be satisfied.

Something needs to be done to help us. It appears that a change was
made assuming that every company is using all parts of the Vantage
program to their fullest extent. Some of us are using a little more of
the program as time goes on and one day we may be using all of it. Also
in this case, it appears that the assumption is that all suggestions
are or will be placed as purchase orders as soon as they are generated.

Another Problem
We had another problem with purchasing on 5.0 recently. Apparently the
purchase order now picks up the minimum order quantity for a part from
the part master. We have minimums in the part master which are either
the number we want to buy as a minimum and/or the vendor minimum buy
quantity. Our PA entered a purchase order for sheet stock for a job
yesterday and the order quantity was 5 instead of the 2 he wanted to
buy. This didn't happen to us in 3.0. The buyer went in and corrected
the amount and sent off the purchase order. However, the purchase order
again shows the 5 pieces. Why can't the buyer change the PO amount and
have that amount remain in the order?

Thanks,

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [SMTP:jsage@...]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change

Tim,

Unfortunately we do use purchasing suggestions, so we cannot
unmark the "Generate" flag. I would suggest making the
inclusion of suggestion information a configuration choice.
Because suggestion numbers are now mixed in with actual supply
and demand numbers, the running balances are not accurate for
our needs. Some shops may prefer the new method, but the
logic change has resulted in decreased visibility for us and
has made it difficult to validate real numbers.

thanks,
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ligas
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:17 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
>
>
> John,
>
> The change was intentional in version 5.00. It was done
because:
>
> 1. There were many requests for increased visibility of the
> suggestions to validate them against the timephase report
data.
>
> 2. To provide consolidated supply and demand information for
> individual parts.
>
> If you are not using po suggestions but someone has generated
> them at one point and now they are showing up you should
> unmark the parts Generate PO Sugg flag. Job suggestions will
> also appear on the timephase for the above reasons.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:jsage@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:51 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in
> addition to showing balances reflecting receipts and
> requirements, now adjust the balances based upon suggested PO
> changes? This is giving our purchasing staff grey hair. Is
> this a design change or a bug, or am I out to lunch <g!>.
>
> thanks,
> john








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My Purchasing staff as well along with our Engineering and Sales staffs
that try to read the time phase in cases were they need to know expected
dates of incoming materials. Has anyone reported it to Vantage and might
have a incident # or suggestion that we can all tag our companies to and
maybe get it changed. I thought there should have been a filter/show check
box that would allow showing suggestion or not (whether the suggestions are
from PO or Job) when looking at the time phase.

Les Hanson - IS Mgr
Aqua-Aerobic Systems, Inc.



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>-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:jsage@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change




Has anyone else noticed that Time Phase inquiries, in addition to
showing balances reflecting receipts and requirements, now adjust
the balances based upon suggested PO changes? This is giving our
purchasing staff grey hair. Is this a design change or a bug, or
am I out to lunch <g!>.

thanks,
john
<
Les,

I'm going to install 529 tonight and see if it changes the
function. I'll post the results tomorrow.

have fun,
john


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Hanson
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:34 AM
> To: INTERNET:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 5.0 - Time Phase Inquiry change