[SPAM] New Company across the Street

system · April 16, 2008, 9:25am

Manasa,

I ran one building with a VPN Tunnel using Cisco Pix 506 firewalls on
each side. We even opted for the 128 des heaver incription coding. This
was very inexpensive but unless you have good internet band width 100%
of the time such as 800kbps or above your users will feel the drag.

I ran a second building with a Point to Point T1 line. This worked
exceptionally well. The end users didn't see any performance issues. I
authenticated the PCs on the network but for Vantage they ran a remote
session on a rack mounted PC which ran Vantage. Again this worked
wonderful, great performance, great control since I had the PC's doing
the work right in the IT room BUT duplicate computers and $500 per month
for a T1 line was expensive.

Patrick J. Winter

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building
across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what
you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just
run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste
the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics
of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention
that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will
use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within
Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 5:48pm

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 5:56pm

How about a secured VPN through the Internet? It's not a direct connection to your network but it will work.

Also you can do a site to site satellite dish. Not sure how much that would cost.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 6:05pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but a VPN connection would require a server on
the other side?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

How about a secured VPN through the Internet? It's not a direct
connection to your network but it will work.

Also you can do a site to site satellite dish. Not sure how much that
would cost.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building
across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what
you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just
run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste
the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics
of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention
that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will
use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within
Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 6:12pm

When we bought the lot across the street, we went through the pain of getting the permits to do it. We weighed all options, and waiting two months was acceptable. The new buildings across the street are all the executive offices, so possibly that had weight when making the decisions.

If you flat out can't do that, I agree with the suggestion of VPNs.
I wouldn't recommend wireless.

Anthony Hughes
Logan Oil Tools
Houston, TX

----- Original Message ----
From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:48:52 PM
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@weldcoa. com
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 6:20pm

You don't need a server to establish a VPN - there are routers and
firewalls that will allow you to configure and connect a VPN with a
minimum of fuss.

But what I'd want to do would be to ask your ISP if they
support "MPLS" (multi-protocol label switching), which is, to put it
simply, "VPN-less VPN," or more accurately - "layer 2 routing."

Here's how it works, in a very simplistic overview:

Traffic you send out (any protocol - this all happens at layer-2 of
the OSI-model) to your ISP is "tagged" during the layer-2 (switching)
encapsulation with a "label" as it leaves your network in the
existing building. Your traffic enters the ISPs network (they may
call it a "cloud"), where it mingles with the rest of the ISPs
customers' traffic - could be Internet traffic, could be other MPLS
networks' traffic, etc. The ISP's equipment uses the tag to forward
the traffic to the appropriate end-point, in this case, your new
building, where your edge-equipment removes the tag and passes it on
to the appropriate endpoint.

Since only your equipment is configured with the proper tags, and the
tags are tied to only your equipment, the traffic is as secure as it
would be with a VPN (and I believe you could encrypt the traffic
before tagging it, if you were really concerned about security). You
also are provided with 4 (if not more) QoS levels depending on the
type of traffic you expect to send, so depending on your budget, you
can guarantee a minimum transfer-rate, which is far better than
taking your chances using the Internet for VPN (where your transfer-
rate is a crap-shoot).

The only equipment I believe you'd NEED at each site is a router that
can handle the MPLS protocol and a switch to connect the computers to
the network, plus your connection to your ISP. All the heavy-lifting
of traffic-management is done by the ISP.

I implemented MPLS at the last company I worked for, where we were
using it to run a 14-site, multi-state converged network, including
VoIP and data. It was fantastic!

--Ari

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but a VPN connection would require a
server on
> the other side?

system · April 15, 2008, 6:26pm

Now that sounds interesting! And being able to use it for VoIP makes it
that much better....by how you say it was fantastic I am assuming that
accessing data and internet speeds were not an issue?

Thanks for that suggestion!

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ari
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:20 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: New Company across the Street

You don't need a server to establish a VPN - there are routers and
firewalls that will allow you to configure and connect a VPN with a
minimum of fuss.

But what I'd want to do would be to ask your ISP if they
support "MPLS" (multi-protocol label switching), which is, to put it
simply, "VPN-less VPN," or more accurately - "layer 2 routing."

Here's how it works, in a very simplistic overview:

Traffic you send out (any protocol - this all happens at layer-2 of
the OSI-model) to your ISP is "tagged" during the layer-2 (switching)
encapsulation with a "label" as it leaves your network in the
existing building. Your traffic enters the ISPs network (they may
call it a "cloud"), where it mingles with the rest of the ISPs
customers' traffic - could be Internet traffic, could be other MPLS
networks' traffic, etc. The ISP's equipment uses the tag to forward
the traffic to the appropriate end-point, in this case, your new
building, where your edge-equipment removes the tag and passes it on
to the appropriate endpoint.

Since only your equipment is configured with the proper tags, and the
tags are tied to only your equipment, the traffic is as secure as it
would be with a VPN (and I believe you could encrypt the traffic
before tagging it, if you were really concerned about security). You
also are provided with 4 (if not more) QoS levels depending on the
type of traffic you expect to send, so depending on your budget, you
can guarantee a minimum transfer-rate, which is far better than
taking your chances using the Internet for VPN (where your transfer-
rate is a crap-shoot).

The only equipment I believe you'd NEED at each site is a router that
can handle the MPLS protocol and a switch to connect the computers to
the network, plus your connection to your ISP. All the heavy-lifting
of traffic-management is done by the ISP.

I implemented MPLS at the last company I worked for, where we were
using it to run a 14-site, multi-state converged network, including
VoIP and data. It was fantastic!

--Ari

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:

>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but a VPN connection would require a

server on

> the other side?

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system · April 15, 2008, 6:27pm

Just drop in a Data T-1 with MPLS We have 15 locations running TM
server on a MPLS Data network. We run 2008 Server with Vantage on 8
Server Farm. Just set up a Cisco 2811 Router and do a site to site VPN
on a Data T-1. Or look Data Lasers

They work nice and the Cost is cheap.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tony Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

When we bought the lot across the street, we went through the pain of
getting the permits to do it. We weighed all options, and waiting two
months was acceptable. The new buildings across the street are all the
executive offices, so possibly that had weight when making the
decisions.

If you flat out can't do that, I agree with the suggestion of VPNs.
I wouldn't recommend wireless.

Anthony Hughes
Logan Oil Tools
Houston, TX

----- Original Message ----
From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:48:52 PM
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building
across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what
you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just
run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste
the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics
of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention
that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will
use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within
Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@weldcoa. com
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 7:40pm

We went the route of boring a 4" conduit beneath the street and ran
fiber through it and in my opinion this is not only the cheapest, and
most secure but it provides us with gigabit network speeds. Permits in
our municipality were not that big of a deal and the contractor that did
the boring did all of the permitting. All said and done I spent $3,400
plus a couple hundred bucks for a fiber SPF on either end for my
existing switches. The whole project took about three weeks.

Todd

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building
across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what
you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just
run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste
the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics
of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention
that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will
use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within
Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 15, 2008, 10:11pm

Manasa Reddy wrote:

> I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building across the street.

We bough a pair of these to try to shoot wireless about 350' between
buildings:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009

Waiting for a little nicer weather to go out and play, but they're
reported to work well.

-Wayne

system · April 16, 2008, 9:06am

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded...you guys gave me
some great ideas!

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wayne
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

Manasa Reddy wrote:

> I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building

across the street.

We bough a pair of these to try to shoot wireless about 350' between
buildings:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009>

Waiting for a little nicer weather to go out and play, but they're
reported to work well.

-Wayne

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system · April 16, 2008, 9:15am

You can create a vpn tunnel using your firewalls. Both firewalls need to have that capability.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:06 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

Correct me if I am wrong, but a VPN connection would require a server on
the other side?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

How about a secured VPN through the Internet? It's not a direct
connection to your network but it will work.

Also you can do a site to site satellite dish. Not sure how much that
would cost.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building
across the street.

I know over the years a few of you have done this and was wondering what
you did to get the building connected to your network. I'd love to just
run fiber optic across the street, but my company does not want to waste
the time (and money) for permits and having to deal with the logistics
of it.

So I ask, what have others done to accomplish this? I should mention
that the building across the street will be a separate company, but will
use Vista through a terminal session with their own company within
Vista.

Thanks in advance!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP / Inventory & Procurement Manager
Welding Company of America
manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

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system · April 16, 2008, 9:21am

Same here. Thanks.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded...you guys gave me
some great ideas!

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of wayne
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Company across the Street

Manasa Reddy wrote:

> I have been tasked with looking to expand our network to a building

across the street.

We bough a pair of these to try to shoot wireless about 350' between
buildings:
http://www.newegg
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009>
com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009
<http://www.newegg
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009>
com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833168009>

Waiting for a little nicer weather to go out and play, but they're
reported to work well.

-Wayne

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